License Help - California

cullenjames · February 3rd, 2012, 04:02 PM

I might just be an idiot, but I'm in California and 20 years old and am a bit confused about the permit/license situation with the effects from Jarrad's Law.

What I've gotten from it is that I have to do the Rider's Course and then get my permit after passing the exam. Then after 6 months of none of the fun riding, I'm able to test for my M-1.

What I've read otherwise, makes it seem like I am only required to participate in the Rider's Course which allows me to get my permit. But from there the time between having my permit and testing for my actual license is at my discretion as I am over the age of 18.

I would appreciate if somebody would help me to clarify what the actual situation is for a 20-year-old. Thanks.

Alex · February 4th, 2012, 07:09 PM

http://dmv.ca.gov/dl/checklists/mc.htm

Have you taken the MSF yet?

massacremasses · February 4th, 2012, 07:11 PM

You have to take the MSF course FIRST because you are under 21.

Im assuming you have your class C though correct?

cullenjames · February 4th, 2012, 08:19 PM

I do have my class C. Had that since I was 16. Tomorrow is the last day of my MSF course. Are you sure don't have to get the permit for 6 months with Jarrad's Law in effect? Or does that just force me to take the course before getting my license?

massacremasses · February 4th, 2012, 08:27 PM

the latter.

my buddy who went with me to MSF also is 20. I went to get my license with the MSF certificate and he got his permit. I do not remember the length it takes for you to get your license after that. Or if you have to take another test... I dont think you do though?

cullenjames · February 4th, 2012, 08:46 PM

Yea, but when was that? Jarrad's Law went into effect in 2011. I'm praying I don't have to be a goober that can't drive at night or on the freeway for 6 months...

Alex · February 4th, 2012, 08:50 PM

It looks like you need to have the permit for 6 months before being able to get a full M license, or you need to turn 21 in the meantime.

http://www.ca-msp.org/Under21.aspx

Quote:

Motorcycle Instruction Permit, Effective January 1, 2011 (AB 1952/Niello) This new law requires a person under 21 years of age to complete the Motorcycle Safety Foundation’s Basic RiderCourse at a California Motorcyclist Safety Program training site in California before being issued a motorcycle instruction permit with which to practice operating a motorcycle, and requires the permit to be held for six months before being issued a class M motorcycle driver license endorsement.

massacremasses · February 4th, 2012, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullenjames

Yea, but when was that? Jarrad's Law went into effect in 2011. I'm praying I don't have to be a goober that can't drive at night or on the freeway for 6 months...

October.

rusninja · February 4th, 2012, 08:54 PM

I got my m1 like 3 months ago i didnt have a permit completed my msf and i went to the dmv took the permit test then they took my class c and sent me a class c/m1.

massacremasses · February 4th, 2012, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusninja

I got my m1 like 3 months ago i didnt have a permit completed my msf and i went to the dmv took the permit test then they took my class c and sent me a class c/m1.

your case is different because he already has his class C

He takes his MSF and goes and gets him permit from the DMV when is completed and can start riding. I THINK its 6 months then he can get the license.

rusninja · February 4th, 2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by massacremasses

your case is different because he already has his class CHe takes his MSF and goes and gets him permit from the DMV when is completed and can start riding. I THINK its 6 months then he can get the license.

I have my c class they took it because they had to make it invalid because they were sending me a whole spanking brand new license.

cullenjames · February 4th, 2012, 09:52 PM

Rus how old were you when you got your M1?

Justin, October of 2011? Jarrad's has been in effect since jan of 2011. So I'm not understanding why your buddy would get his license right away, but I have to go the permit route...

massacremasses · February 4th, 2012, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullenjames

Rus how old were you when you got your M1?

Justin, October of 2011? Jarrad's has been in effect since jan of 2011. So I'm not understanding why your buddy would get his license right away, but I have to go the permit route...

no no he had to take the MSF class THEN got his permit. He doesnt have his license yet. I text you btw.

Im 24 SO I got my permit right away. Took the class then got my license when I got the certificate.

headshrink · February 4th, 2012, 10:07 PM

I hadn't heard of any changes until I read this thread. One thing I'm not clear about though (even after reading from the DMV site) is for those over 21 with permits and MSF certs., do you still get to skip the DMV driving course?

EDIT: It would appear by the post above mine that that has not changed.

Alex · February 4th, 2012, 10:10 PM

Yup, from the DMV checklist I posted, it lays it out pretty clearly. Over 21, you can use either MSF cert or schedule a drivers test, you don't need to do both.

Quote:

If you are over 21, you may complete and provide the completion certificate from the motorcycle rider training course OR schedule an Appointment(s) at DMV to take the motorcycle driving test.

massacremasses · February 4th, 2012, 10:13 PM

yeah but MSF is more expensive too :/ like $100 more

headshrink · February 4th, 2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by massacremasses

yeah but MSF is more expensive too :/ like $100 more

Supply and demand at work.

cullenjames · February 4th, 2012, 10:20 PM

Well, when you're legally obligated to take the course, you kill two birds with one stone. They should make a compromise and do 3 months of permit for those 18-21. I'm not even sure how effective this legislation has been.

massacremasses · February 4th, 2012, 10:22 PM

lol you used "effective" and "legislation" in the same sentence.

Ill keep political banter out, but I just lol'd

rusninja · February 4th, 2012, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullenjames

Rus how old were you when you got your M1?

Justin, October of 2011? Jarrad's has been in effect since jan of 2011. So I'm not understanding why your buddy would get his license right away, but I have to go the permit route...

I was 19.

choneofakind · February 4th, 2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by massacremasses

yeah but MSF is more expensive too :/ like $100 more

Come to Ohio and take it, then transfer the license. $25. Free and required for people like yours truly who took it at 17

headshrink · February 5th, 2012, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Come to Ohio and take it, then transfer the license. $25. Free and required for people like yours truly who took it at 17

I wouldn't wish Ohio on my worst enemy!

j/k sort of.... I flew out there to bury my grandfather, and it did pretty much suck. [bracing myself] California Flames [/bracing myself]

cullenjames · February 5th, 2012, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixter

Yes, if you are under the age of 21 you must take the MSF course. It is only optional for those 21 and over.

AFAIK permits in CA limit you to daytime riding with no passengers. That can still be a lot of fun. It is also my understanding that passing the MSF course gets you a waiver for taking the practical but not the written DMV.

Correct, it does act as a waiver for the practical DMV test. I know the course is mandatory, just a bit stuck on whether or not I'll need to hold my permit for 6 months before being granted my M1, which it seems like 6 months...

Along with the two permit limitations you listed, freeways are also forbidden.

Alex · February 5th, 2012, 02:13 AM

The law seems pretty clear. Whether all DMV offices are appropriately following the law as it is so new is really the only open question.

cullenjames · February 5th, 2012, 02:17 AM

I'm going to go to every single DMV in the Sacramento area until one of them gives me my endorsement!

headshrink · February 5th, 2012, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cullenjames

I'm going to go to every single DMV in the Sacramento area until one of them gives me my endorsement!

Hint: Folsom DMV

cullenjames · February 5th, 2012, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshrink

Hint: Folsom DMV

Have you or people you know had success with that?

choneofakind · February 5th, 2012, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshrink

it did pretty much suck. [bracing myself] California Flames [/bracing myself]

there's some parts of Ohio that are really great, like where my house is. I'm between Cleveland and Akron, so we have hills and 2 big citites and the Cuyahoga Valley right there which is nice for riding. Not to mention Columbus is only 2 hours from me. Only thing that really sucks is the winter. We're just on the outside of the snowbelt. Aka, when it snows, we get lake effect off of Lake Erie and Lake Michigan

Southern Ohio isn't bad to ride either. Foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. Western Ohio (where I am now) blows.

headshrink · February 5th, 2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cullenjames

Have you or people you know had success with that?

It would appear so.

cullenjames · February 5th, 2012, 03:18 PM

@trixter @headshrink

How old were you both when you ended up being able to pull this off and when was it?

cullenjames · February 5th, 2012, 03:40 PM

I should just get my permit and start a campaign at every DMV in a 1-hour radius until one of them doesn't know about Jarrad's Law...

headshrink · February 5th, 2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullenjames

@trixter @headshrink

How old were you both when you ended up being able to pull this off and when was it?

It was after several aniversaries of my 29th (I no longer have birthdays). This was 2008.

AlanDog · February 5th, 2012, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixter

AFAIK permits in CA limit you to daytime riding with no passengers.

Also, the permit does not allow you to ride on freeways. Which can be a major hassle if you actually want to go somewhere...

I have gotten major differences in treatment at DMVs: My attempt to register a bike stored for ten years and out of the system in Woodland--I was treated like a convicted felon. They basically said, prove it isn't registered in any other state! Same approach at the Davis DMV: no problem!

cullenjames · February 5th, 2012, 05:34 PM

@headshrink then what makes you believe I'd be able to get my M1 right away from Folsom?

headshrink · February 5th, 2012, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cullenjames

@headshrink then what makes you believe I'd be able to get my M1 right away from Folsom?

I don't know, I didn't have any problems there, but then I have never heard of that Jarrad guy.... well, I did get a pretty bad picture.

What kind of stupidity did Jarrad do to get a new law/Darwin Award named after him?

Alex · February 5th, 2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by headshrink

What kind of stupidity did Jarrad do to get a new law/Darwin Award named after him?

from here:

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In 2007, Jarrad Cole bought a motorcycle to take to college. Minutes into his first ride, he crashed into a retaining wall and died.

AlanDog · February 5th, 2012, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixter

Is that an age thing? I do not recall that restriction when I had my permit.

Where I live there are no freeways only highway 88, 16 and 49 all of which have cross traffic, some stops, etc so I do not think they qualify.

Highways are okay on a permit, freeways are not, so 88, 49, 16 are all okay. I rode with a permit for six months anyways, riding the backroads instead of Hwy 113 between Davis and Woodland. I probably would have waited at least a few months anyways...

Off topic: what would you recommend for a day ride out that direction, ie a six hour loop from Sacramento? Where are the twisties? I've only been through there going skiing, and that was twenty years ago...

choneofakind · February 5th, 2012, 09:54 PM

That law is really interesting.

I got my temps the same day I walked into my MSF BRC, and then I stopped by the BMV with my paperwork and got my M endorsement a week later.

My buddy got his bike and temps at 15 1/2, and finally got his class C license when he was 18 before he went to college.

Neither of us would have been able to get our M licenses in this manner with this law. Very interesting indeed.

cullenjames · February 6th, 2012, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixter

Is that an age thing? I do not recall that restriction when I had my permit.

New legislation in California enacted Jan 2011. Anybody under the age of 21 that wants to get their M1 must first take a 15 hour CHP course and then have their permit for 6 months. I turn 21 in November... so 6 months of less fun riding.

massacremasses · February 6th, 2012, 08:16 AM

my stupid friends didnt take the MSF and just have their permit and ride whenever and where ever... they just havent gotten pulled over. lol

February 3rd, 2012, 04:02 PM	#1
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	License Help - California I might just be an idiot, but I'm in California and 20 years old and am a bit confused about the permit/license situation with the effects from Jarrad's Law. What I've gotten from it is that I have to do the Rider's Course and then get my permit after passing the exam. Then after 6 months of none of the fun riding, I'm able to test for my M-1. What I've read otherwise, makes it seem like I am only required to participate in the Rider's Course which allows me to get my permit. But from there the time between having my permit and testing for my actual license is at my discretion as I am over the age of 18. I would appreciate if somebody would help me to clarify what the actual situation is for a 20-year-old. Thanks.

February 4th, 2012, 07:09 PM	#2
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	http://dmv.ca.gov/dl/checklists/mc.htm Have you taken the MSF yet? __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

February 4th, 2012, 07:11 PM	#3
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	You have to take the MSF course FIRST because you are under 21. Im assuming you have your class C though correct? __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

February 4th, 2012, 08:27 PM	#5
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	the latter. my buddy who went with me to MSF also is 20. I went to get my license with the MSF certificate and he got his permit. I do not remember the length it takes for you to get your license after that. Or if you have to take another test... I dont think you do though? __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

February 4th, 2012, 08:54 PM	#9
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	I got my m1 like 3 months ago i didnt have a permit completed my msf and i went to the dmv took the permit test then they took my class c and sent me a class c/m1. __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

February 4th, 2012, 08:19 PM	#4
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	I do have my class C. Had that since I was 16. Tomorrow is the last day of my MSF course. Are you sure don't have to get the permit for 6 months with Jarrad's Law in effect? Or does that just force me to take the course before getting my license?

February 4th, 2012, 08:46 PM	#6
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	Yea, but when was that? Jarrad's Law went into effect in 2011. I'm praying I don't have to be a goober that can't drive at night or on the freeway for 6 months...

February 4th, 2012, 09:52 PM	#12
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	Rus how old were you when you got your M1? Justin, October of 2011? Jarrad's has been in effect since jan of 2011. So I'm not understanding why your buddy would get his license right away, but I have to go the permit route...

February 4th, 2012, 10:07 PM	#14
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	I hadn't heard of any changes until I read this thread. One thing I'm not clear about though (even after reading from the DMV site) is for those over 21 with permits and MSF certs., do you still get to skip the DMV driving course? EDIT: It would appear by the post above mine that that has not changed. __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

February 4th, 2012, 10:13 PM	#16
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	yeah but MSF is more expensive too :/ like $100 more __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

February 4th, 2012, 10:20 PM	#18
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	Well, when you're legally obligated to take the course, you kill two birds with one stone. They should make a compromise and do 3 months of permit for those 18-21. I'm not even sure how effective this legislation has been.

February 4th, 2012, 10:22 PM	#19
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	lol you used "effective" and "legislation" in the same sentence. Ill keep political banter out, but I just lol'd __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

February 5th, 2012, 02:13 AM	#24
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	The law seems pretty clear. Whether all DMV offices are appropriately following the law as it is so new is really the only open question. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

February 5th, 2012, 02:17 AM	#25
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	I'm going to go to every single DMV in the Sacramento area until one of them gives me my endorsement!

February 5th, 2012, 03:18 PM	#30
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	@trixter @headshrink How old were you both when you ended up being able to pull this off and when was it?

February 5th, 2012, 03:40 PM	#31
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	I should just get my permit and start a campaign at every DMV in a 1-hour radius until one of them doesn't know about Jarrad's Law...

February 5th, 2012, 05:34 PM	#34
cullenjames ninjette.org member Name: Cullen Location: Sacramento Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): None yet Posts: 32	@headshrink then what makes you believe I'd be able to get my M1 right away from Folsom?

February 5th, 2012, 09:54 PM	#38
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	That law is really interesting. I got my temps the same day I walked into my MSF BRC, and then I stopped by the BMV with my paperwork and got my M endorsement a week later. My buddy got his bike and temps at 15 1/2, and finally got his class C license when he was 18 before he went to college. Neither of us would have been able to get our M licenses in this manner with this law. Very interesting indeed.

February 6th, 2012, 08:16 AM	#40
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	my stupid friends didnt take the MSF and just have their permit and ride whenever and where ever... they just havent gotten pulled over. lol __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

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