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Old September 19th, 2017, 07:37 AM   #1
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K&N oil filter

It appears some of the tracks have banned K&N and other oil filters with the welded nut, including Mid-Ohio.

http://www.midohio.com/mid-ohio-cour...3-requirements

"The following oil filters are NOT permitted: K&N, High Flow, and Vortex"

There is also a recall
https://www.knfilters.com/mobile/recallkn204
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Old September 19th, 2017, 03:14 PM   #2
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cvma went to oem only. afm has been silent, i run the k@n myself , no problems.
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Old September 19th, 2017, 05:39 PM   #3
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Mid-Ohio banned them after 6 failures on track early this season. We could care less about the quality or brand, it's all about the safety of the rider.

We have given FREE filters to many riders who passed through tech and didn't know about the ban. We are doing our best, but can't have filters for every bike on hand. We also offer a one time pass to those who show up with said filters. They are put in a yellow jersey to let other riders know that they need to not follow in the tire tracks of that rider.

It's a sad realization of what is currently happening with the hardware bits. Trust.... a rider's in front of me failed and oiled the track. MINE failed too, luckily during a short test ride before going to the track.

Please, please, please check your stuff. imho... I believe that some riders are using the nut on the end as a torque point to tighten the filter down. Then this in turn weakens the welds for the nut, causing the failure and leaks. But that is just my opinion.

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Old September 19th, 2017, 05:42 PM   #4
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So ah... drilling that "nut" for safety wire is not a good idea???
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Old September 19th, 2017, 05:49 PM   #5
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So ah... drilling that "nut" for safety wire is not a good idea???
Sorry, I have no clue what you're talking about. All the K&N filters I have ever seen came pre-drilled upon purchase.

For the non-nutted filters, we are just putting a large hose clamp around the filter and then wiring the hose camp. ymmv
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Mid-Ohio banned them after 6 failures on track early this season. We could care less about the quality or brand, it's all about the safety of the rider.

We have given FREE filters to many riders who passed through tech and didn't know about the ban. We are doing our best, but can't have filters for every bike on hand. We also offer a one time pass to those who show up with said filters. They are put in a yellow jersey to let other riders know that they need to not follow in the tire tracks of that rider.

It's a sad realization of what is currently happening with the hardware bits. Trust.... a rider's in front of me failed and oiled the track. MINE failed too, luckily during a short test rider before going to the track.

Please, please, please check your stuff. imho... I believe that some riders are using the nut on the end as a torque point to tighten the filter down. Then this in turn weakens the welds for the nut, causing the failure and leaks. But that is just my opinion.
is it your belief thats its the installer and not the product thats at fault?
never had a problem with the k@n, and sure dont want to either.
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Ultimate bottom line: It is my believe that the installer is the ultimate fault and stop gap, as it is to their ultimate skill in detecting issues and risk assessment. Now.. having said that, I believe that a faulty install of a k&n can cause a problem where there was none before. On the other hand, I also believe that a properly manufactured product will not fault under normal use conditions.

I will be completely honest here. I have 4 bikes, 3 of those 4 have k&n nutted filters without issue, but they are older per the recall. The only one that failed is my track r6 that receives the most oil changes and attention AND was for sure part of the recall.

Another bottom line imho is that the manufacturer has assumed responsibility and recalled their product. Personally, I will avoid the product until proven once more by those that can assume more risk than me.
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the 300 runs the 303 filter not the 204.
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Old September 19th, 2017, 09:47 PM   #9
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It appears some of the tracks have banned K&N and other oil filters with the welded nut, including Mid-Ohio.

http://www.midohio.com/mid-ohio-cour...3-requirements

"The following oil filters are NOT permitted: K&N, High Flow, and Vortex"

There is also a recall
https://www.knfilters.com/mobile/recallkn204
Doesn't the nut just facilitate removal of the filter? What harm could THAT do?

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P.S.; Oops, I just read the previous posts. You should never use a wrench to tighten a "spin-on" oil filter.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 01:46 AM   #10
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Well S*@t, I think I put one of these on my FJ-09 when I changed it this spring. I better go check it in the morning.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 02:47 AM   #11
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the 300 runs the 303 filter not the 204.
You missed the point. Point is they know there is an issue with the filters. Other part numbers of the K&N have failed in the track.
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You missed the point. Point is they know there is an issue with the filters. Other part numbers of the K&N have failed in the track.
Well, I'll just have to add K&N oil filters along with K&N air filters to my "Do not buy" list.

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Old September 22nd, 2017, 01:39 PM   #13
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A similar thing happened with Fram oil filters a decade or more ago. WERA banned them for a while because of poor quality control. Filters were blowing off racebikes and dispensing oil all over the place. As far as I know there is no longer an issue with Fram filters nowadays.
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Old September 28th, 2017, 03:07 PM   #14
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cvma went to oem only. afm has been silent, i run the k@n myself , no problems.
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Old September 28th, 2017, 03:08 PM   #15
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Actually, many orgs have banned K&N because of failure. At one of the motoamerica rounds this summer, it was brought to K&N's attention, they had no clue that race clubs banned their product.
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Old September 28th, 2017, 04:27 PM   #16
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yea im going away from K and n, untill the figure this out.
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Year before last, there were some failures. That's when WMRRA and OMRRA started calling for OEM only. I hadn't heard there were more this year until I saw the recall and figured it was old news.

All that said, my last filter had to be removed using the screwdriver method, so I can sympathize with people missing that nut.
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late breaking news, AFM, just banned all aftermarket oil filters.
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late breaking news, AFM, just banned all aftermarket oil filters.
Apparently a rash of recent incidents involving aftermarket filters.
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If I remember right, CVMA banned all aftermarket last year after a brutal crash of a rider rep due to someone else's filter failure.
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last weekend k@n filter failure, turn 14 thunder hill. took out a bunch of bikes.
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last weekend k@n filter failure, turn 14 thunder hill. took out a bunch of bikes.
That's genius at this point.

I'd be pissed...
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last weekend k@n filter failure, turn 14 thunder hill. took out a bunch of bikes.
One of the victims was my buddy Jason and his Aprilia RSV4. K&N filter caused about $20k in damages to 5 bikes. Of course guy running K&N got away without a scratch!
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That's genius at this point.

I'd be pissed...
i hope you dont think it was me. oem only. other than the forums or racing orgs.
i dont think the word is out to the masses.
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i hope you dont think it was me. oem only. other than the forums or racing orgs.
i dont think the word is out to the masses.
No I didn't think it was you.

I just can't believe the sanctioning body didn't know of the problem by now.

Just dumb.
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