Those Blind corners can sometimes Hurt...

[DEFY]

News about fire trucks:

Link to original page on YouTube.

[csmith12]

Dang.... lucky guy

[subxero]

wow, definitely a lucky guy to say the least. I was expecting something different from the video as the thread mentions blind turn so I was thinking like a fire truck blocking lanes because of an accident and the rider comes around the corner and bam. But this guy just totally got scared despite the trucking being in its correct lane, upset the bike and the rest was history.

[DEFY]

Originally Posted by subxero

I was expecting something different from the video as the thread mentions blind turn so I was thinking like a fire truck blocking lanes because of an accident

I didn't want to give away the whole ending.

[InvisiBill]

It might just be the camera lens, but the road looks a bit narrow and I don't really see much of a center line. Assuming it's actually a standard 2-lane road though, the rider screwed up. He went into the curve too fast and/or target-fixated on the truck. Whatever the reason, he ended up in the truck's lane, sucking on its grille. If he had stayed in his own lane (by slowing down and/or looking where he wanted to go), there would've been no problem.

Seeing anyone, especially another rider, get hurt sucks. It's worse when it's something that could've been completely avoided. Every curve might as well be a "blind corner" if you're going to veer in front of oncoming traffic.

[cadd]

That was difficult to watch.

[Panda]

At :12 he looks like he loses control of the bike. It's almost like a mini-tank slapper. I don't know if it was rider induced.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Panda

At :12 he looks like he loses control of the bike. It's almost like a mini-tank slapper. I don't know if it was rider induced.

Looks like the rider induced his front end problems via the front brake lever. Hard to tell because the banner is there. Whatch it is slowmo and see what you think.

[kdogg2077]

Originally Posted by Panda

At :12 he looks like he loses control of the bike. It's almost like a mini-tank slapper. I don't know if it was rider induced.

I think that was him hitting the front brake and upsetting the chassis a bit.

It was a narrow road, he takes the turn a bit quick, starts to run a tad wide then sees the truck and totally panics. It's uncomfortable when you're hitting the apex of a turn and a truck/car is coming the other way but you need to ignore it and focus on staying in your lane while you make the turn. Seems like he wasn't a very experienced rider and he pushed himself too far in the twisties.

Lucky he's alive.

[Sirref]

lucky guy, I saw the original video. His line choices were atrocious throughout and I knew that was how he'd end up crashing (said in video name he crashed) but it was a worse crash than I expected. Definitely plays into the whole late apex on the street idea which would set him up much better against this situation

[Brother Michigan]

Lots of FZ-07s in interesting videos lately...

[algs26]

Saw it on the local news this morning.

I think he posted it on the fz-07 boards. Seems to be a relatively new rider based on his join date.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[kdogg2077]

The full vid shows how those guys were crossing the center line whenever they felt like it. Just a matter of time before they came across another vehicle at the wrong moment.

I can't get over how narrow that road was though.

[Brother Michigan]

My favorite part of that video is around 10:50 when his buddy says, "I hope this b**** isn't totaled."

Uhhh... I think it's probably totaled.

Also, I'm pretty sure there are other things to worry about then even if the medics seems to have everything pretty well in hand.

[Motofool]

Painful to watch !!!
Another beginner rider victim of improper group riding.

When he saw the truck, he simultaneously did steer away from the truck and did grab a handful of front brake while the bike was leaned.

In actuality, he counter-steered towards the truck and overwhelmed the front contact patch at the same time, loosing effective steering.

These two old threads are relevant and worth reading for riders who started riding this year and wish to improve in street riding skills:

During an emergency situation, will you steer in the right direction?

Brake progressively

[xorbe]

Full vid on LL
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4d_1435073108

[Flying]

Throttle hand went completely off the controls when he saw the truck, causing the initial upset of the bike. Panicked and futzed around with throttle and brake instead of focusing on steering.

Start from 2:40 and watch at quarter speed.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Looks like the rider induced his front end problems via the front brake lever. Hard to tell because the banner is there. Whatch it is slowmo and see what you think.

yes he was leaned over enough to miss the truck if he had stayed the course. The bike got a bit upset when he let go of the gas thereby chopped the throttle, then grabbed the brake which stood him up and into the truck he went.

[LNasty]

Link to original page on YouTube.

So maybe other's can chime in, but the first and pretty big issue I spotted right away is this guys complete lack of counter steering. The bike looked brand new, so he could have been a newb, at last his cornering looked like it. This was a completely preventable crash with better and more training. If it was one of his first times out, a narrow,twisty canyon road is probably not best place to start. I don't have any back story on the guy so this is all just my assumptions. He is damn lucky to be alive. Just the mass of that fire truck, even at slow speeds, is enough to knock your brain into another dimension.

[cadd]

I sense a thread merge happening soon

[LNasty]

Originally Posted by cadd

I sense a thread merge happening soon

Really?! Again? I even checked in videos section and didn't see it before I posted. Radio station Facebook page here in Houston just posted it tonight, however they are notorious for posting things that are way old.

I officially nominate @cadd for "Thread Repeat Checker". This is the second time you have caught my flub. Hopefully it does get merged because it's hard to bitch to my wife, whom has never ridden a motorcycle in her life, about how this guy was essentially fighting against the bike to corner by steering it like you would a BMX bike. She usually just smiles and nod's her head to appease my ranting for what I'm sure it's complete gibberish to her.

[subxero]

just search the youtube extension to see if it has been posted, it works 60% of the time every time

[reggae5]

Running the part over just before he hit that truck looks like he was trying to turn the handlebars to the right, not countersteering at all. If he had pushed the right handlebar forward to countersteer out of the truck way he might have been all right. OR if he didn't have a lot of experience he might have went to far to the right and had an accident there or God forbid over the cliff.

[Alex]

/merged

[LNasty]

Originally Posted by reggae5

Running the part over just before he hit that truck looks like he was trying to turn the handlebars to the right, not countersteering at all. If he had pushed the right handlebar forward to countersteer out of the truck way he might have been all right. OR if he didn't have a lot of experience he might have went to far to the right and had an accident there or God forbid over the cliff.

From the way he steered throughout the whole video I don't think he even knows what countersteering is. When I took my MSF class the majority of the class were there by court orders for speeding. This included both a few big bearded Harley riders and a few younger squids. A few of the older guys had been riding for 30+ years. When the instructor asked what the proper way to turn into a curve was, every "experienced" rider said the same thing, "you just use your body and lean over." Me being a complete Noob that day thought they were probably right. Instructor then had to spend 30 minutes at least drawing diagrams and **** to get them all to understand what countersteering was and how the gyroscopic effect of the two wheels spinning would make the bike lean over almost effortlessly and in the opposite direction you would expect. It's physics man! What was even better was I ended up being one of the best in the class and scored seconds highest on the riding test. It's a whole lot easier to learn how to properly ride from scratch than to have to try and change how you have been riding for the past 20 to 30 years. Couple of the squids who were amateur drag racers at the track, dropped their bikes on their sides while we were learning the slow figure 8 maneuvers. Their cockyness quickly faded after I, someone who had never ridden anything other than a dirt bike a couple times, showed them up. Twas a great feeling that day

[xorbe]

Originally Posted by LNasty

So maybe other's can chime in, but the first and pretty big issue I spotted right away is this guys complete lack of counter steering.

The amount of counter steer to initiate is not huge. Then the bars fall into the direction of the turn to actually catch the falling bike. It's the only way to steer at speed ... how else was he steering?

[CC Cowboy]

I had a good friend do that on a Moto Guzzi when we were kids. The outcome was totally different.

[LNasty]

Originally Posted by xorbe

The amount of counter steer to initiate is not huge. Then the bars fall into the direction of the turn to actually catch the falling bike. It's the only way to steer at speed ... how else was he steering?

It isn't huge, but how much depends on your speed and degree of the turn. However through the turn the countersteer is continued on throughout the turn. When you come out of the turn and without much coaxing, you bring the bars back to straight. The gyroscopic motion of the tires creates an effect where the bike wants to be standing straight up. If you bring the bars past straight and into the direction of the turn the bike stand up and you will then be forcing the bike to begin turning in the opposite direction, making an S pattern. This would be doing for making the SMIDSY maneuver. Next ride you go on try turning your bars into the direction of the turn. The bike will want to go the opposite direction and you will be fighting that with over exaggerated lean. This is a crash waiting to happen. Hopefully this it's not how you are taking corners or just think that it's how you are doing it. Go out and try it and if you catch yourself turning the bars anywhere past straight and into the same direction of the turn. Park the bike and Google that ****. I may have only 3 years and 23,000 miles of riding under my belt, but this is the physics of it and was taught by an ex CHiPs officer. Not trying to start an argument or sound like know it all, but the laws of physics that control a motorcycle are not something that I just made up. Here is a good picture out how the front tire looks in a turn while using counter steering correctly.

This is what i picture when watching the full video of the guy riding before the crash. Watch the full vid again of the guy riding before the crash and you should immediately see how he is steering like he is out on the beach riding a 1950's schwinn cruiser.

Link to original page on YouTube.
Once again, not trying to be an ass to you but there are so many crashes out there due to people not being trained properly on how steer a motorcycle. The only time my bars are turned in the direction i am turning is during slow maneuvers such as in a parking lot.

[xorbe]

At 0.25 speed, actually looks like he locked up the breaks and lost steering perhaps.

[LNasty]

Originally Posted by xorbe

At 0.25 speed, actually looks like he locked up the breaks and lost steering perhaps.

Yeah, i know we got on the steering subject but his crash did look like he locked up. Either way he could have used some more training or experience before attempting a road like that. Wonder how many accidents are caused by friends going for a ride with one of them being a virgin rider. Experienced rider takes the lead, inexperienced tries to keep up and pays for it. Not sure what the etiquette is for having a ride with a noob. Do you have them take the lead so they are not trying to ride above their skill level? Or do they follow and keep up as best as possible?

[Skullz]

He is very lucky the front end didn't wash out and put him on the ground cause the outcome would have been very different.
Hope he makes a full recovery, and learns from a mistake that almost took his life.
A case of better lucky than skilled.