Retrofitting an 04 with a 13 engine.

exploited789 · May 21st, 2014, 11:31 AM

EDIT: meant 2013 engine not 2012

Hello everyone!

My girlfriend has recently been bitten by the riding bug and no longer want to be a passenger. She's taking the MSF this weekend, so we're looking at arguably the best started bike (ninja 250). The one I'm currently looking at on CL is a 2004 model with a 2013 engine retrofitted to it.

Is this possible? Were there any changed to the frame or electrical systems?

I did try searching this subject but all I could find were posts asking about the Ninja 500 engine swap.

Are there any other common issues I should be on the lookout for with this generation ninja?

Here is the quote from the ad "2004 ninja 250 with a new motor from the 2013 edition automatic valve timing no adjusting valve clearance etc."

Cheers,
Steven

alex.s · May 21st, 2014, 11:35 AM

i know at least the front engine mounts/radiator mounts are different- you need the set that matches the engine but both sets fit both frames. not sure on other stuff

exploited789 · May 21st, 2014, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i know at least the front engine mounts/radiator mounts are different- you need the set that matches the engine but both sets fit both frames. not sure on other stuff

Thanks for the reply Alex, that's something I'll touch on when I talk to the seller.

CZroe · May 23rd, 2014, 06:11 AM

I'm pretty sure the Ninja 300 still requires valve clearance adjustments. Also, the seller would be stupid to focus on the year difference and not the size difference unless this were a 250 engine *manufactured* in 2013.

fast1075 · May 23rd, 2014, 06:15 AM

The seller has not a clue about the engine. Yes the cam chain adjuster is automatic as long as it work properly. The engine is shim under bucket valve adjustment. The valve adjustment is NOT automatic.

N-m · May 23rd, 2014, 03:59 PM

If the seller doesn't know the engine is it a good idea to start someone out on this bike? Who's to say the swap was performed and has been maintained in a professional manner?

Bikes are out there for great pricing that would be stock and therefore easier for her to learn to maintain herself, which to me is half the fun. I could only recommend you continue looking.

If you have to buy this one it is worth very little, IMO.

exploited789 · May 24th, 2014, 10:29 AM

We passed on the bike just for that reason. He didn't really know anything about it. There are bunch popping up in surrounding areas that haven't been molested.

Thank you for all your replies!

alex.s · May 24th, 2014, 10:49 AM

the 300 and 250 use the same head. but wouldn't that be nice to have hydraulic lash adjusters!

Motofool · May 24th, 2014, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

the 300 and 250 use the same head. but wouldn't that be nice to have hydraulic lash adjusters!

It is all about cost of production.
Technically, all is possible.

N-m · May 24th, 2014, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

It is all about cost of production.
Technically, all is possible.

Who's going to pay for it? This is the real question, indeed.

May 21st, 2014, 11:31 AM	#1
exploited789 ninjette.org member Name: steven Location: High Desert Join Date: May 2014 Motorcycle(s): Superduke 990 Posts: 11	Retrofitting an 04 with a 13 engine. EDIT: meant 2013 engine not 2012 Hello everyone! My girlfriend has recently been bitten by the riding bug and no longer want to be a passenger. She's taking the MSF this weekend, so we're looking at arguably the best started bike (ninja 250). The one I'm currently looking at on CL is a 2004 model with a 2013 engine retrofitted to it. Is this possible? Were there any changed to the frame or electrical systems? I did try searching this subject but all I could find were posts asking about the Ninja 500 engine swap. Are there any other common issues I should be on the lookout for with this generation ninja? Here is the quote from the ad "2004 ninja 250 with a new motor from the 2013 edition automatic valve timing no adjusting valve clearance etc." Cheers, Steven

May 21st, 2014, 11:35 AM	#2
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i know at least the front engine mounts/radiator mounts are different- you need the set that matches the engine but both sets fit both frames. not sure on other stuff __________________________________________________

May 23rd, 2014, 06:15 AM	#5
fast1075 ninjette.org guru Name: harry Location: Central Florida Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250, 2004 Buell XB12s, Honda 110 Elite Posts: 332	The seller has not a clue about the engine. Yes the cam chain adjuster is automatic as long as it work properly. The engine is shim under bucket valve adjustment. The valve adjustment is NOT automatic. __________________________________________________ "They don't pay me enough to ride this thing!" Kenny Roberts after winning the Indy Mile on the TZ750 powered Grand National bike.

May 24th, 2014, 10:49 AM	#8
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	the 300 and 250 use the same head. but wouldn't that be nice to have hydraulic lash adjusters! __________________________________________________

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