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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #1
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Octane, Money and You??? What do you run in your 250 and why?

I use 87 octane gas. It is what is recommended for my 08 250R.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:08 PM   #2
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I run 87 octane too. I don't know for sure whether it's reccommended in pregens, but I'm a cheap son-of-a-gun, so I buy what's cheaper! Runs great, so I don't think it's a problem.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:09 PM   #3
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87 is what is recommended for the pregens, too.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:15 PM   #4
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I always run 87. I tried running premium in the past and found that my gas mileage sufferd and performance did not improve.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:16 PM   #5
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Ok. Really quick qestion then: Why do all the new bikes have stickers that say use 90+ octane to keep from causing severe damage to the engine? I noticed that while checking some things on an 09 here. Is it just a trick to make you pay more for gas?
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:18 PM   #6
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where are the stickers located and is it a factory Kawasaki sticker or something the dealer had printed up?
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:23 PM   #7
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I don't know if it's just from the dealer or not. It's right on top of the tank, just below the gas tank. It says "Important - Use only 90+ octane gasoline to avoid causing serious damage to engine." I thought it was full of crap, but wanted to make sure. I guess it could be a dealership thing? I know I saw it on all of the new Kawi bikes, but I didn't check the Suzuki or Honda (it's a 3 brand dealership).
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:32 PM   #8
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I run 87 too. Recommended for the Ninjette, plus I've read that unless you get knocking (on any vehicle, even one which recommends higher), there's no point going higher.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:36 PM   #9
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I don't know if it's just from the dealer or not. It's right on top of the tank, just below the gas tank. It says "Important - Use only 90+ octane gasoline to avoid causing serious damage to engine."
did you read closer to see if it said 90+ octane RON or PON?

http://www.btinternet.com/~madmole/R...RONMONPON.html

if it's 90+ RON, that's the same as our US gas 87 octane PON.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #10
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I use 87 octane on mine from either chevron, shell, or exxonmobil. Don't really see the point on using higher octane unless I have a turbo on my bike lol.

Hmm, I don't see the sticker requiring 90+ octane on mine, but I have seen that sticker on other bikes especially the high performance super sport bikes.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #11
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I don't know if it's just from the dealer or not. It's right on top of the tank, just below the gas tank. It says "Important - Use only 90+ octane gasoline to avoid causing serious damage to engine." I thought it was full of crap, but wanted to make sure. I guess it could be a dealership thing? I know I saw it on all of the new Kawi bikes, but I didn't check the Suzuki or Honda (it's a 3 brand dealership).
Can you grab a picture of the sticker. I just got my '09 in Feb and there is NO sticker as you've described.

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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:52 PM   #12
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I might be able to get a pic. I don't actually have a camera at the moment though. I'd have to borrow someone else's (which is what I do for any pics I'll have unless I get them off the internet). I'll see what I can do.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:18 PM   #13
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Baby ninja gets 93. I fill up the R1 & just hand the nozzle over
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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:24 PM   #14
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bah... fill up the ninja first, then fill the R1 w/ 87.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:26 PM   #15
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I use 91 occasionally I guess just to help clean the engine. Probably doesn't do anything but eh, it's Costco 91 so it's about the same price between 87 & 89 at regular stations
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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:28 PM   #16
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I use 91 occasionally I guess just to help clean the engine.
you are correct, it does do that, but so does the 87 & 89.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:30 PM   #17
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Costco 87 it is from now on then , unless I hear some knocking I guess
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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #18
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yes, knocking is the "litmus" test.

not saying not to use the higher octane, but there is no benefit for our bikes other than lightening your wallet. save your money for some cool mods, instead... or synthetic oil.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #19
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I have read high and low about what gas to use in the 250 and the average is 87 octane. I hear running a higher octane makes the motor run to rich. In reality higher octane gas burns at a higher temp which could change certain characteristics of the motor. In my car however I run Prem. octane in it, and car motors are usually more refined and controlled, I notice it idle smoother and has quicker pick up.

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Old March 25th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #20
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I use 91 occasionally I guess just to help clean the engine. Probably doesn't do anything but eh, it's Costco 91 so it's about the same price between 87 & 89 at regular stations

If the engine is tuned to run on regular you won't benefit from using premium. In a nutsell the higher the octane the slower it ignites so when your piston moves up to Top Dead Center (TDC) for combustion, using premium fuel may reduce power and fuel economy- unless you advance timing and/or increase compression via taller pistons.
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bah... fill up the ninja first, then fill the R1 w/ 87.
Little ninja is 11.5:1, it can have the 93
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Old March 25th, 2009, 04:11 PM   #22
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i have always filled up with premium...just looked at the label information in the owners manual....it says Gasoline With Reasearch No. (RON) 91 Min.

so this is normal 87 yes?
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i have always filled up with premium...just looked at the label information in the owners manual....it says Gasoline With Reasearch No. (RON) 91 Min.

so this is normal 87 yes?
yes, same as US market 87.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 04:15 PM   #24
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just looked in owners manual again...under gas tanks section...says use 87 MINIMUM....so would there be no harm in using higher?
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Old March 25th, 2009, 04:18 PM   #25
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nope... no benefits, either.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #26
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87 Octane, as recommended. No knocking.

Some of you guys should read this about Octane.
http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_ki...hould_I_use%3F
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Shell 87 all the time. Though I've dumped in some v-power into the 06 when it was hesitating and needed some cleaning
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Old March 25th, 2009, 06:36 PM   #28
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87 too!
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Chevron 87. No need for anything higher.
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I use 87 also, since that's what the manual commands.

I read in Rider this month that at altitude you'll sometimes find 85.5 (Eastern MT in particular), but that it behaves the same as 87 because of the altitude... Not that I plan on being above 10,000 feet anytime soon, but anyone know if there's any truth to that?
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Yeah. I don't have first hand experience, but I read that gas stations up high will sell you that.
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I'm not sure if the higher octane is what caused backfiring in my bike, but since I started using 87 octane regular, I have had no problems. I use Chevron regular.
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coincidence... as I've always used regular and mine still backfires on occasion.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 09:40 PM   #34
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Shell 87 all the time. Though I've dumped in some v-power into the 06 when it was hesitating and needed some cleaning
Shell because it's better or for the Airmiles?

I just use 87. I used higher octane to fill out once but then thought to myself, why? Lol.
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I'm not sure if the higher octane is what caused backfiring in my bike, but since I started using 87 octane regular, I have had no problems. I use Chevron regular.
Im thinking the backfires from the higher octane in the bike was unburned fuel...
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87 will give more HP than 91, as long as there aren't detonation issues. I run 87 in all the racebikes. 87 FTW!!!!!
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coincidence... as I've always used regular and mine still backfires on occasion.
I'm sure you're right...but why take chances??
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87 will give more HP than 91, as long as there aren't detonation issues. I run 87 in all the racebikes. 87 FTW!!!!!
hey, Rich... you have a few bikes. Do they backfire on occasion when starting up?
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Shell because it's better or for the Airmiles?
Maybe because it is considered "Top Tier" as are all of these:

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I have always used 87 in the ninjette.
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I use 91 in mine. To me, the money isn't that big of a deal. If 91 is $.10 more than 87, then we're talking about less than $.50 extra a fill-up. So, in a month, I end up spending less that $2 more for 91 and I don't have to worry about knocking. Just my line of thinking...
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