Danmoto Exhaust

CoinSlot · April 1st, 2011, 02:03 AM

Bought a new muff recently and thought I'd share the goods. So here's a little review for you to look over.

The box:
IMG_0052.JPG

Unpacked box. Boy oh boy is this stuff tightly packed. Make sure you factor in a good 5 minutes and a really sharp blade to get all the bubble wrap and tape off:
IMG_0053.JPG

Smaller parts. This includes the pipe to muff connector, springs, exhaust holder and protector. I have a huge gripe here. The exhaust holder is horrible. Merely a piece of aluminium with a rubber sleeve to go on it. Surely there is a better way:
IMG_0054.JPG

Weight. 0.7kg by itself. When I measured myself holding and not holding the muffler it was 0.8kg difference. So we can say 0.7 to 0.8 kg. Light:
IMG_0055.JPG

For comparison here is a "$36 Muffler". Stock muffler de-baffled and cut down:
IMG_0067.JPG

Outlet. Good looking thing this is. Welds are quality:
IMG_0057.JPG

Inlet. Again craftsmanship is flawless:
IMG_0058.JPG

Chips. There are a few small chips on the very edge of the carbon. Can we expect it to be flawless for $140? I think this is fine:
IMG_0059.JPG

Build Quality: 8/10

1 point off for the chips, 1 point off for the dodgy holder.

Here it is installed on the bike:
IMG_0069.JPG

Installation is fairly straight forward with a few minor flaws. For one the strap that comes with it needs to be drilled out to suit the stock hanger bolt. The other was that the springs were too big. But it sits on there fine without them.

I recorded the difference in sound for your enjoyment. Here's the link:

Link to original page on Vimeo.

Here's what my recording setup looked like:
IMG_0071.JPG

Sound Quality: 9/10

Hope that helps anyone thinking of buying one.

randomwalk101 · April 1st, 2011, 06:16 AM

Glad you like it. Weld quality is great..some nice tig welding there.
Looks loud though.

bob706 · April 1st, 2011, 06:21 AM

Good looking can

I like how it's longer and thinner looking than my mgp growler.

Sixringz · April 1st, 2011, 07:26 AM

Does this require any rejetting or anything?

warlord · April 1st, 2011, 07:31 AM

Just FYI, it's $116 shipped to the US.

slolane · April 1st, 2011, 07:59 AM

Looks great.

Kevin2109 · April 1st, 2011, 09:44 AM

Love the look of it! If only it was a full system....

DR1300R · April 1st, 2011, 10:35 AM

Great comparison, Great write up, Great video and most of all it looks and sounds awesome..

I saved there link when Warlord posted it in a different thread, I'm sold.

CoinSlot · April 1st, 2011, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

Glad you like it. Weld quality is great..some nice tig welding there.
Looks loud though.

Everyone has a differing opinion on what is too loud so I'll just say that this exhaust with stock pipes is too loud for me. With the Tyga pipes as well it is much too loud. I'm actually fitting the DanMoto silencer today. I'll let you know how it goes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sixringz

Does this require any rejetting or anything?

Just the muffler, probably not. If you've got a service coming up you may as well have them look at the jetting too. It's the same as any muffler replacement I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Love the look of it! If only it was a full system....

I'm now using the Tyga pipes with this muffler. Great combo but it requires a little bit of modification to fit together.

Kevin2109 · April 1st, 2011, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoinSlot

I'm now using the Tyga pipes with this muffler. Great combo but it requires a little bit of modification to fit together.

How is the combination going for you? I'm also looking into the VR6 by sportisi, What are your thoughts on the two full systems?

CoinSlot · April 1st, 2011, 04:53 PM

I have no experience with the Sportisi system so I can't comment between the two. I know Matt fully stands behind his products and lots of people are using them.

My thoughts on this combo are "cheap and cheerful". Especially in Australia where importers chuck on huge margins for themselves. It's nice to get something in fairly priced.

I'll be heading to the dyno soon hopefully so I can update after that.

Kevin2109 · April 1st, 2011, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoinSlot

I have no experience with the Sportisi system so I can't comment between the two. I know Matt fully stands behind his products and lots of people are using them.

My thoughts on this combo are "cheap and cheerful". Especially in Australia where importers chuck on huge margins for themselves. It's nice to get something in fairly priced.

I'll be heading to the dyno soon hopefully so I can update after that.

What all have you done to your 250?

CoinSlot · April 1st, 2011, 04:57 PM

Full exhaust, BRT-TIS, Sportisi Jet Kit, open air filter. At least, that's what will be on the bike when it goes on the dyno.

kkim · April 1st, 2011, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoinSlot

Full exhaust, BRT-TIS, Sportisi Jet Kit, open air filter. At least, that's what will be on the bike when it goes on the dyno.

looking forward to seeing your dyno results. my guess is about 30 HP, if yours is typical.

tzrider · April 7th, 2011, 11:28 AM

I got one too, also ordered the dBkiller with it but never received the dbkiller.
And I don't get anymore answers from Danmoto about my questions
about the missing dbkiller.

Is there anybody here who has ever received it because I am doubting
if this dbkiller exists at all ....

DR1300R · April 7th, 2011, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tzrider

I got one too, also ordered the dBkiller with it but never received the dbkiller.
And I don't get anymore answers from Danmoto about my questions
about the missing dbkiller.

Is there anybody here who has ever received it because I am doubting
if this dbkiller exists at all ....

Op has the dbkiller I believe.. Also I have contacted a couple different times and received my answers in a timely matter..

CoinSlot · April 7th, 2011, 02:24 PM

Yes I bought one from their website and it arrived in timely fashion.

I did email them about a few issues once and they never got back to me. Customer service seems hit and miss.

tzrider · April 7th, 2011, 10:55 PM

They actually told me they had send a replacement for the missing baffler but that one didn't arrive either. I always got answers from my e-mails untill I asked them a few days ago where that second baffler was and that I still hadn't got it after 4 (!) weeks and since then it is radio silence. So far for the Danmoto service. It is now 2 months since I bought the exhaust and it still isn't complete. As I live in a very crowded area I can't use it without baffler.

And I could order a new baffler, they are not expensive, but as the first two didn't arrive (I very much doubt if they were ever send) who garantees this one will arrive ???

qazwsx · April 15th, 2011, 02:04 PM

have you found the slip on to cause alot of backfiring and did the baffle make much of a difference?

CoinSlot · April 15th, 2011, 02:19 PM

It backfired the same amount as my cut down.

The baffle made a very small difference. It's still quite loud though.

wyckedflesh · April 16th, 2011, 10:09 PM

Quote:

The other was that the springs were too big. But it sits on there fine without them.

Please, either find springs that do fit, or have a shop look at welding it sealed. For one, the springs are there to cut down on the movement of the pipe at the joint, for another, if that joint flexes back and forth too much, metal fatigue will set in. In an EXTREME case, you could end up with something that looks like this:

A bracket broke, taking the springs with it, the flex between the header pipe and canister was not noticeable at the stop we made where it was found the bracket broke, felt completely solid with almost no noticeable movement. Within less than 100 miles, the canister separated from the header, fell free, clipped the roadway and pole vaulted the motorcycle, sending me down the road at 80mph. Fortunately, on the Ninja, the exhaust does rest under the motor, should that joint fail, I believe that aluminum strap would fail allowing the canister to rip away from the bike...

But is that something you really want to chance when the fix is rather simple?

qazwsx · April 16th, 2011, 10:31 PM

^^ What kind exhaust was that.

wyckedflesh · April 16th, 2011, 10:47 PM

The exhaust itself is irrelevent. Due to the size and weight of the full exhaust, it was decided that an additional bracket needed to be added. Unfortunately, the bracket itself was the Original Point of Breakage. Everything after was collateral damage. Had the bracket not dislodged the springs, the springs would have held the canister and header together, even as the canister got looser and looser from the additional flex. The springs held enough tension on the canister, it kept the header seated at the bottom of the canister input.

Once at home, and after I healed up enough, I took the canister and matched it up to the header. When we first assembled everything, it was a very snug fit. I had 2K miles on the exhaust before the bracket broke, and we had enough confidence in how tight the joint felt at the gas station where it was noticed I had lost the bracket, that we didn't think not having the springs there anymore would be a problem. The canister input had rounded out so much in 100 miles, there were cracks in the pipe and the joint itself was so sloppy I could use matches as shims and still have it be loose.

CoinSlot · April 16th, 2011, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyckedflesh

Please, either find springs that do fit, or have a shop look at welding it sealed.

Springs are on now with the Tyga exhaust. I never planned for it to stay springless for long. Even so, it was on there for a little while and never moved.

Unlucky in your case. Must have hurt a bit.

I'm still yet to get to the dyno guys. I'll try my best not to be lazy and get it there soon.

S14 · April 17th, 2011, 12:35 AM

video didn't work for me, do you have youtube link? thanks!

CoinSlot · April 17th, 2011, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14

do you have youtube link?

I do not. Anyone else having problems with the video?

kkim · April 17th, 2011, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoinSlot

I do not. Anyone else having problems with the video?

works for me.

wyckedflesh · April 17th, 2011, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoinSlot

Springs are on now with the Tyga exhaust. I never planned for it to stay springless for long. Even so, it was on there for a little while and never moved.

Unlucky in your case. Must have hurt a bit.

I'm still yet to get to the dyno guys. I'll try my best not to be lazy and get it there soon.

Better to make a graphic point of something that HAS happened to someone and is not an Urban Myth, then to have someone reading this and thinking its okay to leave out the springs.

CoinSlot · April 17th, 2011, 02:59 PM

I did also send an email to DanMoto about the few issues I had (springs, holder being rubbish etc.) but never received a reply. Hopefully they read it and fixed the issues...

tzrider · April 17th, 2011, 10:48 PM

I also complained about the spings being too long (60mm) and
they send me some 40mm long versions. I did however manage
to use the 60mm versions for the time being and hooked them
to the clamp instead of the original points.

And my dbkiller or baffle finally arrived after 8 weeks.
Danmoto however didn't respond to any emails anymore.

Cloud Strife · April 18th, 2011, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tzrider

I also complained about the spings being too long (60mm) and
they send me some 40mm long versions. I did however manage
to use the 60mm versions for the time being and hooked them
to the clamp instead of the original points.

And my dbkiller or baffle finally arrived after 8 weeks.
Danmoto however didn't respond to any emails anymore.

Are the 40mm ones more suitable for the job?

tzrider · April 18th, 2011, 10:04 AM

They are the right ones and should have been with the exhaust according to DanMoto.

Cloud Strife · April 18th, 2011, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tzrider

They are the right ones and should have been with the exhaust according to DanMoto.

I just ordered mine - I'll have to contact them to make sure they include the proper springs prior to shipping then, just so I don't have to wait for them later if they ship the wrong ones...

Cloud Strife · April 23rd, 2011, 05:59 PM

To those that ordered from the Dan Moto site: was your order status updated on their site? What was your shipping time? I ordered mine on the 18th and it still says processing when I check my order history. I emailed them regarding the sprigs and havn't heard back yet...

ninja420 · April 24th, 2011, 04:03 PM

no the order statis did not change but u did email them then they sent me a tracking number

Cloud Strife · April 24th, 2011, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja420

no the order statis did not change but u did email them then they sent me a tracking number

Yeah I finally got an email back from him. Said the exhaust shipped and that there are two sets of springs that come with it. Looking forward to it...

dicer20 · April 26th, 2011, 07:30 PM

i ordered one with the baffle yesterday hopefully it will all be delivered at the same time

Green Streak · April 26th, 2011, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Installation is fairly straight forward with a few minor flaws. For one the strap that comes with it needs to be drilled out to suit the stock hanger bolt. The other was that the springs were too big. But it sits on there fine without them.

Nice write up. I got one a couple months ago and I really like it. Mine came with springs that were too long too. I emailed them and they sent me the right size for free. No issues so far...

dicer20 · May 2nd, 2011, 06:51 PM

ok so i got my muffler it looks awesome however i did not get my baffle

i emailed them hopefully i will get a response...when i placed the order it clearly said 2 items

Cloud Strife · May 3rd, 2011, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dicer20

ok so i got my muffler it looks awesome however i did not get my baffle

i emailed them hopefully i will get a response...when i placed the order it clearly said 2 items

I got mine last week and the baffle was in the box, as ordered. Must have been an error on their part; I'm sure they will get it rectified. Customer service, for me anyway, was slow but once they got around to answering my emails, all was very well.

Might take some time getting a hold of them, but they will get back to you and take care of what's missing, I'm sure.

April 1st, 2011, 02:03 AM	#1
CoinSlot ninjette.org member Name: Gordo Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 36	Danmoto Exhaust Bought a new muff recently and thought I'd share the goods. So here's a little review for you to look over. The box: IMG_0052.JPG Unpacked box. Boy oh boy is this stuff tightly packed. Make sure you factor in a good 5 minutes and a really sharp blade to get all the bubble wrap and tape off: IMG_0053.JPG Smaller parts. This includes the pipe to muff connector, springs, exhaust holder and protector. I have a huge gripe here. The exhaust holder is horrible. Merely a piece of aluminium with a rubber sleeve to go on it. Surely there is a better way: IMG_0054.JPG Weight. 0.7kg by itself. When I measured myself holding and not holding the muffler it was 0.8kg difference. So we can say 0.7 to 0.8 kg. Light: IMG_0055.JPG For comparison here is a "$36 Muffler". Stock muffler de-baffled and cut down: IMG_0067.JPG Outlet. Good looking thing this is. Welds are quality: IMG_0057.JPG Inlet. Again craftsmanship is flawless: IMG_0058.JPG Chips. There are a few small chips on the very edge of the carbon. Can we expect it to be flawless for $140? I think this is fine: IMG_0059.JPG Build Quality: 8/10 1 point off for the chips, 1 point off for the dodgy holder. Here it is installed on the bike: IMG_0069.JPG Installation is fairly straight forward with a few minor flaws. For one the strap that comes with it needs to be drilled out to suit the stock hanger bolt. The other was that the springs were too big. But it sits on there fine without them. I recorded the difference in sound for your enjoyment. Here's the link: Link to original page on Vimeo. Here's what my recording setup looked like: IMG_0071.JPG Sound Quality: 9/10 Hope that helps anyone thinking of buying one.

April 1st, 2011, 10:35 AM	#8
DR1300R ninjette.org guru Name: Doyle Location: Quad Cities,Il Join Date: Mar 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2000 Hayabusa 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 318	Great comparison, Great write up, Great video and most of all it looks and sounds awesome.. I saved there link when Warlord posted it in a different thread, I'm sold. __________________________________________________ busastampede.com

April 16th, 2011, 10:47 PM	#23
wyckedflesh ninjette.org guru Name: Mikel Location: Valley of the Sun Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Blue Kawasaki KLE650 Versys, '95 Ducati 900SS/CR (undergoing track conversion) Posts: 287	The exhaust itself is irrelevent. Due to the size and weight of the full exhaust, it was decided that an additional bracket needed to be added. Unfortunately, the bracket itself was the Original Point of Breakage. Everything after was collateral damage. Had the bracket not dislodged the springs, the springs would have held the canister and header together, even as the canister got looser and looser from the additional flex. The springs held enough tension on the canister, it kept the header seated at the bottom of the canister input. Once at home, and after I healed up enough, I took the canister and matched it up to the header. When we first assembled everything, it was a very snug fit. I had 2K miles on the exhaust before the bracket broke, and we had enough confidence in how tight the joint felt at the gas station where it was noticed I had lost the bracket, that we didn't think not having the springs there anymore would be a problem. The canister input had rounded out so much in 100 miles, there were cracks in the pipe and the joint itself was so sloppy I could use matches as shims and still have it be loose. __________________________________________________ 2009 KLE650 LSL bars, Full Muzzy PC-V 1995 900SS/CR mildly modified

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April 1st, 2011, 04:53 PM	#11
CoinSlot ninjette.org member Name: Gordo Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 36	I have no experience with the Sportisi system so I can't comment between the two. I know Matt fully stands behind his products and lots of people are using them. My thoughts on this combo are "cheap and cheerful". Especially in Australia where importers chuck on huge margins for themselves. It's nice to get something in fairly priced. I'll be heading to the dyno soon hopefully so I can update after that.

April 1st, 2011, 04:57 PM	#13
CoinSlot ninjette.org member Name: Gordo Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 36	Full exhaust, BRT-TIS, Sportisi Jet Kit, open air filter. At least, that's what will be on the bike when it goes on the dyno.

April 7th, 2011, 11:28 AM	#15
tzrider ninjette.org newbie Name: Snoopy Location: Europe Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r Posts: 9	I got one too, also ordered the dBkiller with it but never received the dbkiller. And I don't get anymore answers from Danmoto about my questions about the missing dbkiller. Is there anybody here who has ever received it because I am doubting if this dbkiller exists at all ....

April 7th, 2011, 02:24 PM	#17
CoinSlot ninjette.org member Name: Gordo Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 36	Yes I bought one from their website and it arrived in timely fashion. I did email them about a few issues once and they never got back to me. Customer service seems hit and miss.

April 7th, 2011, 10:55 PM	#18
tzrider ninjette.org newbie Name: Snoopy Location: Europe Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r Posts: 9	They actually told me they had send a replacement for the missing baffler but that one didn't arrive either. I always got answers from my e-mails untill I asked them a few days ago where that second baffler was and that I still hadn't got it after 4 (!) weeks and since then it is radio silence. So far for the Danmoto service. It is now 2 months since I bought the exhaust and it still isn't complete. As I live in a very crowded area I can't use it without baffler. And I could order a new baffler, they are not expensive, but as the first two didn't arrive (I very much doubt if they were ever send) who garantees this one will arrive ???

April 15th, 2011, 02:04 PM	#19
qazwsx ninjette.org newbie Name: M Location: Canada Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250 Posts: 6	have you found the slip on to cause alot of backfiring and did the baffle make much of a difference?

April 15th, 2011, 02:19 PM	#20
CoinSlot ninjette.org member Name: Gordo Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 36	It backfired the same amount as my cut down. The baffle made a very small difference. It's still quite loud though.

April 16th, 2011, 10:31 PM	#22
qazwsx ninjette.org newbie Name: M Location: Canada Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250 Posts: 6	^^ What kind exhaust was that.

April 17th, 2011, 12:35 AM	#25
S14 ninjette.org member Name: Kouki Location: San Francisco Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250 Posts: 20	video didn't work for me, do you have youtube link? thanks!

April 17th, 2011, 02:59 PM	#29
CoinSlot ninjette.org member Name: Gordo Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 36	I did also send an email to DanMoto about the few issues I had (springs, holder being rubbish etc.) but never received a reply. Hopefully they read it and fixed the issues...

April 17th, 2011, 10:48 PM	#30
tzrider ninjette.org newbie Name: Snoopy Location: Europe Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r Posts: 9	I also complained about the spings being too long (60mm) and they send me some 40mm long versions. I did however manage to use the 60mm versions for the time being and hooked them to the clamp instead of the original points. And my dbkiller or baffle finally arrived after 8 weeks. Danmoto however didn't respond to any emails anymore.

April 18th, 2011, 10:04 AM	#32
tzrider ninjette.org newbie Name: Snoopy Location: Europe Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r Posts: 9	They are the right ones and should have been with the exhaust according to DanMoto.

April 23rd, 2011, 05:59 PM	#34
Cloud Strife Hot Wheels Name: Paul Location: Niagara Falls Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Kawi Ninja 250R Posts: 64	To those that ordered from the Dan Moto site: was your order status updated on their site? What was your shipping time? I ordered mine on the 18th and it still says processing when I check my order history. I emailed them regarding the sprigs and havn't heard back yet...

April 24th, 2011, 04:03 PM	#35
ninja420 ninjette.org member Name: Pookey Location: houston Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 22	no the order statis did not change but u did email them then they sent me a tracking number

April 26th, 2011, 07:30 PM	#37
dicer20 ninjette.org member Name: Ron Location: brooklyn,N.Y. Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): blue 2008 ninja 250r Posts: 42	i ordered one with the baffle yesterday hopefully it will all be delivered at the same time

May 2nd, 2011, 06:51 PM	#39
dicer20 ninjette.org member Name: Ron Location: brooklyn,N.Y. Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): blue 2008 ninja 250r Posts: 42	ok so i got my muffler it looks awesome however i did not get my baffle i emailed them hopefully i will get a response...when i placed the order it clearly said 2 items