April 17th, 2014, 07:05 AM | #1 |
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Choosing a Gas Additive for E10 Gasoline
I thought the information on this website was very interesting and educational. Much of the information many might have read or already know. However, as with any subject/topic dealing with different gasoline and additives, many will have their own experiences, opinions and expertise. Hopefully others will find it useful.
TIPS for Choosing a Gas Additive with E10 fuel type:
Simple E10 precautions are usually enough to avoid most gas-caused problems. #1 E10 Gas Problem=Water Absorption Causing Phase Separation: No miracle additive exists that can stop ethanol from absorbing water ---> Your best defense= Buying high quality gasoline + replacing often - Always test gasoline to confirm water-free with 10% or less ethanol. Note: Sta-bil Fuel Stabilizer and Star Tron Fuel Treatment are currently listed as the two safest products with E10 gas, when a gas additive is necessary. They're alcohol-free. You can review a list of gasoline additives at http://www.fuel-testers.com/is_gas_a..._e10_list.html |
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April 17th, 2014, 07:51 AM | #2 |
I'm crazy,your excuse is?
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couple things there, since the alcohol attracts water- add water to gas to remove the alcohol crazy but true- do this in a container- rojoracing53 had a link to remove the water.
Need more octane? Toulene and Xylene can help in small doses like 10%- also good to add to old gas and crappy running motors after they sit for a while. Just my opinion and experiences. |
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April 17th, 2014, 08:08 AM | #3 |
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do you ever use zddp additives in your oil?
i've heard of putting alcohol in the gas to pass smog before
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April 17th, 2014, 11:45 AM | #4 | ||
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In case anyone wants some controversy...
http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-oil-91206/ Quote:
Anecdote: I filled up the 500 on November 15 before putting it away for the winter. The extent of my winterizing was turning off the petcock and letting the engine use up all the gas in the carb bowls. It sat in the garage until March 30. I'm not sure how much gas normally degrades from sitting, but the bike fired right up and ran well on the 4.5 month old gas treated with the TC-W3. This morning I needed to fill up again. On that tank of gas, I got 49.3mpg, which is actually higher than the last three tanks last fall, and my overall average is only 49.5mpg. For comparison, last year's mild winter let me ride a bit into the beginning of January and I was riding again before the end of March. I filled up on December 17 (got 49.5mpg on that tank), then again on March 30, giving me 38.8mpg for that tank (my lowest ever). The fact that I rode in the cold weather could very well be a contributor to that, using the choke longer and such. But in the most simplistic terms, this year's "hibernation" tank of gas with TC-W3 (and sitting longer) got me 27% more mileage than last year's without. Also, http://pure-gas.org/ to find stations that sell E0 gas. Unfortunately, there aren't any around here other than seasonal race (high octane) gas. Last futzed with by InvisiBill; April 17th, 2014 at 02:58 PM. |
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April 17th, 2014, 12:04 PM | #5 |
I'm crazy,your excuse is?
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I would not burn oil in my car with $2000 in catalytic converters to foul up.
for the ninja though, I do have some old 2 stroke gas mix to burn up. |
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April 17th, 2014, 12:54 PM | #6 |
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a four stroke separates its oil and fuel system. i could see it benefitting the fuel pump. but ... clean the fuel system by adding oil? leave a film of oil on the cylinder walls to prevent hard cold starts??? do you know why an oil control ring exists? why would adding thicker oil into gas clean out an injector? gas is a stronger solvant than oil. and i could see the added pressure from the thicker oil causing issues when the pressure is increased from the injector pump. if you did it on a diesel you would probably break your injectors. not to mention what it's going to do to your emission control systems. sounds like a terribly idea for a 4-stroke.
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April 17th, 2014, 03:00 PM | #7 | |
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Like I said, controversy. =)
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I don't believe it's due entirely to the TC-W3, but the first tank where I added it to the Ninja is my highest ever MPG, almost 14% above my overall average. I filled that tank quite high (which could also explain the higher MPG), but I also rode it straight home and parked it on the sidestand, which resulted in some gas actually leaking out the overflow (whatever quantity leaked out gave me 0.0mpg). I've had a couple tanks that were 10-11% above average before I started using the TC-W3, so 14% isn't completely crazy, but it is the highest I've ever had in 7,800 miles. |
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April 17th, 2014, 03:20 PM | #8 |
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i'll believe it when i see evidence. so far all that has been presented is people's opinion and speculation based on observation. no real reliable measurements shown.
even your own mpg measurements are incorrect based on what you are saying.
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April 17th, 2014, 05:57 PM | #9 | |
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April 17th, 2014, 06:32 PM | #10 |
wat
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why not add boric acid instead?
at such a small amount, the oil is doing nearly nothing to aide the lubrication of anything except the fuel pump. the problem with the logic is that pump gas already has upper cylinder lubricants in it that don't have the problems that oil has in 4 strokes like fouling plugs and clogging emission control systems. unless you are adding things like xylene or toulene or acetone or something, there is no reason to add extra upper cylinder lubricants. because they already exist in the correct ratio in pump gas. the increase in MPG observed could very easily be placebo from the rider riding smoother because they believed the mpg was going to be higher or something.
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April 17th, 2014, 07:58 PM | #11 | |
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April 18th, 2014, 06:08 AM | #12 |
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I know this is a controversial topic, but I've never used any kind of additives in my old cars and bikes, and have yet to have any problems related to today's fuel. If I know something is going to be stored for awhile, I just drain the fuel out of it.
Save your money. Edit The new fuel can't be used in the old fiberglass tanks, Penton, Ossa, Bultaco etc. It just eats them up, ask me how I know this... Last futzed with by Desmoluci; April 19th, 2014 at 04:28 PM. |
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April 19th, 2014, 08:45 AM | #13 | |
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