Bike died on me during a ride, problems appear right after HELP PLEASE

azian4lifz · May 17th, 2014, 11:12 AM

Hi all

I was riding one day and came to a friends house to stop. I turned off my bike and went inside, when I come out the bike did not start anymore. I hear the solenoid buzzing but the bike does not attempt to crank. I noticed the Neutral light on the dash doesn't turn on anymore either. After this I had rolled started it and it cranked on like a charm. the neutral light still does not appear though so i didn't let it bother me and continue to go on a group ride. after 5 minutes into the ride my bike completely died on me. I had it picked up in a truck and taken home..sad day.

I have tried all of the following:
Using a screwdriver to connect the solenoid ends together to start like that, doesn't work.
I have tried roll starting it again. DOES NOT WORK. I hear the pistons moving and bike attempting to start but it is very slow and doesn't cut on like a regular roll start would.
I have tried putting it into 2nd gear and roll starting it as well. does not work.
I have tried kickstand up, clutch in, kill switch on and off. to start it. doesn't work.
All my fuses are good and NOT blown.
high beams turn signals brake lights are good.
I have plenty of gas.

I was wondering if this was a common problem with anyone's elses bike and if anyone has a solution?
If there is a successful thread already can you please redirect me?

Thank you. I look forward to hearing all the advices and hope to get the fizzer(FZR) started again. I miss the 2 wheel life.
PS. bike is a 1996 YAMAHA FZR 600

CZroe · May 17th, 2014, 12:14 PM

It certainly sounds different from the vacuum problem that some of us have experienced with the J-bike but you should be aware to eliminate it as a factor:

If you park your bike after it is fully warm and then ride off a short time later (~10/25 minutes, your tank may form a vacuum that will stall the bike a couple blocks later. You will not be able to restart it unless you open the tank and let the pressure equalize. People don't discover this right away because they have plenty of fuel and check that last. After they confirm that they have fuel they usually don't make the correlation when it finally starts several minutes later.

Ducati999 · May 17th, 2014, 12:28 PM

Your problem seems to be either battery or most likely starter related. Frist try to jump start it with jumper cables directly to the battery. if the starter will not engage then check Ground and power connection at the starter. You did not state if the head light was dim or looked normal. The head light will appear orange if the battery is low. Try the above and get back to us so we can further help you solve this problem

azian4lifz · May 17th, 2014, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducati999

Your problem seems to be either battery or most likely starter related. Frist try to jump start it with jumper cables directly to the battery. if the starter will not engage then check Ground and power connection at the starter. You did not state if the head light was dim or looked normal. The head light will appear orange if the battery is low. Try the above and get back to us so we can further help you solve this problem

Sorry I forgot to mention that the battery is charged. I have connected it to jumper cables and try to start it like that and the results are the same, nothing.
I also replaced the starter solenoid (waste of 30$).
My low beams do not work and my high beams are dimmed.

Thanks for your effort to help

azian4lifz · May 17th, 2014, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CZroe

It certainly sounds different from the vacuum problem that some of us have experienced with the J-bike but you should be aware to eliminate it as a factor:

If you park your bike after it is fully warm and then ride off a short time later (~10/25 minutes, your tank may form a vacuum that will stall the bike a couple blocks later. You will not be able to restart it unless you open the tank and let the pressure equalize. People don't discover this right away because they have plenty of fuel and check that last. After they confirm that they have fuel they usually don't make the correlation when it finally starts several minutes later.

I'm not sure What do you do in that situation just take off the gas cap and let it sit?

CZroe · May 17th, 2014, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azian4lifz

I'm not sure What do you do in that situation just take off the gas cap and let it sit?

Yep. You can crank it to hurry it up but it takes a bit of cranking to get fuel back in the carbs and many people have already drained their battery trying to diagnose by that point. It's best to wait a few minutes.

Whiskey · May 17th, 2014, 01:04 PM

Sounds like the battery is flat, may be that the alternator or reg-rec is not working, check the voltage when trying to start it, see if it drops off big time once you put it under load.
If you get it started check the charging voltage.

alex.s · May 17th, 2014, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azian4lifz

Hi all

I was riding one day and came to a friends house to stop. I turned off my bike and went inside, when I come out the bike did not start anymore. I hear the solenoid buzzing but the bike does not attempt to crank. I noticed the Neutral light on the dash doesn't turn on anymore either. After this I had rolled started it and it cranked on like a charm. the neutral light still does not appear though so i didn't let it bother me and continue to go on a group ride. after 5 minutes into the ride my bike completely died on me. I had it picked up in a truck and taken home..sad day.

I have tried all of the following:
Using a screwdriver to connect the solenoid ends together to start like that, doesn't work.
I have tried roll starting it again. DOES NOT WORK. I hear the pistons moving and bike attempting to start but it is very slow and doesn't cut on like a regular roll start would.
I have tried putting it into 2nd gear and roll starting it as well. does not work.
I have tried kickstand up, clutch in, kill switch on and off. to start it. doesn't work.
All my fuses are good and NOT blown.
high beams turn signals brake lights are good.
I have plenty of gas.

I was wondering if this was a common problem with anyone's elses bike and if anyone has a solution?
If there is a successful thread already can you please redirect me?

Thank you. I look forward to hearing all the advices and hope to get the fizzer(FZR) started again. I miss the 2 wheel life.
PS. bike is a 1996 YAMAHA FZR 600

lucky for you i have this bike!

notice on the back of the bike on the tail, on the left hand side, you'll see the voltage regulator... you'll notice that on yours it is a 4 wire with a case chassis ground... you'll also notice it is probably mostly melted. order one for a 2000ish r6 and hook in the wire to the ground using heavy gauge wire. you may have also fried your battery. also the ignition pickup coil on that bike sucks and gets ****ed up. the coil from a yama raptor 400 mounts up perfect and has the right clearance and coil specs. use red lock tite on the bolts they come out really easy cause they are copper or something.

Skullz · May 17th, 2014, 01:30 PM

Disconnect the battery and clean the connections and battery posts and see if that has helped any. Some times the connection might seem fine but it just doesn't make a solid connection on the terminal and needs a quick cleaning to make it all better again.

Motofool · May 17th, 2014, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azian4lifz

Sorry I forgot to mention that the battery is charged. I have connected it to jumper cables and try to start it like that and the results are the same, nothing.......

Your battery seems charged but is too weak when under load.
I bet you cannot see a single spark jumping in your plugs now.

Try cleaning and then clamping those battery connectors very well, as advised above.
Try starting the bike from a car battery (with car's engine off !!!)

Please, read this:
http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/How_to_...attery_is_dead

If your regulator is bad, it can kill any good battery in no time.
If your regulator and/or generator are bad, the battery is not being charged up and you are just depleting your battery while riding until there is no juice in it (which always damages the battery).

For the Ninjette:
http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Alternator_Information

azian4lifz · May 19th, 2014, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

lucky for you i have this bike!

notice on the back of the bike on the tail, on the left hand side, you'll see the voltage regulator... you'll notice that on yours it is a 4 wire with a case chassis ground... you'll also notice it is probably mostly melted. order one for a 2000ish r6 and hook in the wire to the ground using heavy gauge wire. you may have also fried your battery. also the ignition pickup coil on that bike sucks and gets ****ed up. the coil from a yama raptor 400 mounts up perfect and has the right clearance and coil specs. use red lock tite on the bolts they come out really easy cause they are copper or something.

Thanks for the advice, will replacing all these regain my neutral light back? I was told by a mechanic that the bike is fooled into thinking it is gear because something is wrong with the neutral wiring?
Also a buddy of mine with the same bike had the regulator problem but his would crank if he jumps it though, mine does not.

Ducati999 · May 19th, 2014, 01:02 PM

Here is a question based on your last post. Have you tried starting the bike while sitting on it, kickstand up and clutch pulled in. The problem you described COULD be a failed neutral switch which will not allow the bike to start if the kickstand is down since it believes it is still in gear. There should be a switch on the clutch which will allow it to start in gear with the stand up and the clutch pulled in. Good luck

PS> following the post above about cleaning the battery terminals is always a good idea. Replacing the neutral safety switch is fairly easy so I hope this is all that is wrong

Keep us posted and let us know what you have tried and if it makes any difference.

May 17th, 2014, 11:12 AM	#1
azian4lifz ninjette.org member Name: pat Location: NoVa Virginia Join Date: Oct 2013 Motorcycle(s): none at the moment. previous owner of a 2005 Ninja 250 Posts: 82	Bike died on me during a ride, problems appear right after HELP PLEASE Hi all I was riding one day and came to a friends house to stop. I turned off my bike and went inside, when I come out the bike did not start anymore. I hear the solenoid buzzing but the bike does not attempt to crank. I noticed the Neutral light on the dash doesn't turn on anymore either. After this I had rolled started it and it cranked on like a charm. the neutral light still does not appear though so i didn't let it bother me and continue to go on a group ride. after 5 minutes into the ride my bike completely died on me. I had it picked up in a truck and taken home..sad day. I have tried all of the following: Using a screwdriver to connect the solenoid ends together to start like that, doesn't work. I have tried roll starting it again. DOES NOT WORK. I hear the pistons moving and bike attempting to start but it is very slow and doesn't cut on like a regular roll start would. I have tried putting it into 2nd gear and roll starting it as well. does not work. I have tried kickstand up, clutch in, kill switch on and off. to start it. doesn't work. All my fuses are good and NOT blown. high beams turn signals brake lights are good. I have plenty of gas. I was wondering if this was a common problem with anyone's elses bike and if anyone has a solution? If there is a successful thread already can you please redirect me? Thank you. I look forward to hearing all the advices and hope to get the fizzer(FZR) started again. I miss the 2 wheel life. PS. bike is a 1996 YAMAHA FZR 600 __________________________________________________

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May 17th, 2014, 12:14 PM	#2
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	It certainly sounds different from the vacuum problem that some of us have experienced with the J-bike but you should be aware to eliminate it as a factor: If you park your bike after it is fully warm and then ride off a short time later (~10/25 minutes, your tank may form a vacuum that will stall the bike a couple blocks later. You will not be able to restart it unless you open the tank and let the pressure equalize. People don't discover this right away because they have plenty of fuel and check that last. After they confirm that they have fuel they usually don't make the correlation when it finally starts several minutes later.

May 17th, 2014, 12:28 PM	#3
Ducati999 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ant Location: Wooster Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ducati 999 2012 Ninja 250r Ducati748 Yellow finally running 2003 SV650 S (SOLD) Posts: A lot.	Your problem seems to be either battery or most likely starter related. Frist try to jump start it with jumper cables directly to the battery. if the starter will not engage then check Ground and power connection at the starter. You did not state if the head light was dim or looked normal. The head light will appear orange if the battery is low. Try the above and get back to us so we can further help you solve this problem

May 17th, 2014, 01:04 PM	#7
Whiskey ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Morgan Location: A city twinned with Kawasaki Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, 2010 STR 675 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Sounds like the battery is flat, may be that the alternator or reg-rec is not working, check the voltage when trying to start it, see if it drops off big time once you put it under load. If you get it started check the charging voltage.

May 17th, 2014, 01:30 PM	#9
Skullz ninjette.org guru Name: Ray Location: 48162 Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 450	Disconnect the battery and clean the connections and battery posts and see if that has helped any. Some times the connection might seem fine but it just doesn't make a solid connection on the terminal and needs a quick cleaning to make it all better again.

May 19th, 2014, 01:02 PM	#12
Ducati999 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ant Location: Wooster Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ducati 999 2012 Ninja 250r Ducati748 Yellow finally running 2003 SV650 S (SOLD) Posts: A lot.	Here is a question based on your last post. Have you tried starting the bike while sitting on it, kickstand up and clutch pulled in. The problem you described COULD be a failed neutral switch which will not allow the bike to start if the kickstand is down since it believes it is still in gear. There should be a switch on the clutch which will allow it to start in gear with the stand up and the clutch pulled in. Good luck PS> following the post above about cleaning the battery terminals is always a good idea. Replacing the neutral safety switch is fairly easy so I hope this is all that is wrong Keep us posted and let us know what you have tried and if it makes any difference.