Rossi-Marquez Battle

[Jono]

Spoiler alert! This happened in todays MotoGP Race.

Link to original page on YouTube.


Okay whose side are you on? I think Marquez got what he deserved but I'm no racer. I think after today's race it is clear that Marquez never had Rossi's poster in his room, he has Lorenzo in his bed.

The punishment: http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/1...marquez/188434

[csmith12]

[cbinker]

It all started Thursday with Rossi running his mouth. This just proves how self centered he really is. Ignores all the games he has played in his career. He lost this game.

Was Marquez messing with him at Philip Island, who cares Marquez won that race, if he was helping Lorenzo he would have stayed second. Rossi doesn't like how Marquez is doing everything better then what Rossi once did. Aggressive racing and putting on one hell of a show for the fans.

[subxero]

i see no problem, Rossi had control of the line and Marquez wasn't willing to accept that

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by subxero

i see no problem, Rossi had control of the line and Marquez wasn't willing to accept that

there are strict rules in motogp about going slow on the racing line.

[subxero]

in what context?

I don't follow so i don't know, don't really care either to be honest. But i understand obviously you cant sit on the race line going 25mph while everyone else is going full tilt that makes sense.

but does that include position manipulation type stuff like this?

I watch more super and motocross than road racing and that is all part of strategy, sometimes it gets a little ugly

here is an oldie by goodie

Link to original page on YouTube.

[ninjamunky85]

As a #99 fan I like what it does for his chance at the title. It sucks to see the championship decided by something like this though.

And to see it done by someone like Rossi,.. that is just really disappointing to say the least.

[ninjamunky85]

Originally Posted by subxero

in what context?

I don't follow so i don't know, don't really care either to be honest either. But i understand obviously you can sit on the race line going 25mph while everyone else is going full tilt that makes sense.

but does that include position manipulation type stuff like this?

I watch more super and motocross than road racing and that is all part of strategy, sometimes it gets a little ugly

here is an oldie by goodie

Link to original page on YouTube.

If you don't care then why are you commenting??? MotoGP is not motocross, it is the most expensive/highest level of motorcycle racing in the world.

What Rossi did today was wrong, just like what Stewart did in the clip you showed was wrong. Are you really going to defend the actions of someone who got suspended/reputation was ruined after failing a drug test?

[Motofool]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[snot]

way to many variables to comment. Only Rossi will ever know what really happened.

[sharky nrk]

Rossi started all this nonsense running his mouth all day on Thursday and then CLEARLY broke the rules with a disgraceful loss of self-control. Whether he was pissed off at Marc for racing him hard or not, he brought about the situation and then couldn't keep himself in control and made a very poor decision. #VamosJorge.

[snot]

I do wish Marc would of checked up and stayed in the race, I think there are some things he could of done as a counter and stayed in the race, but I wasn't on his bike so I don't know if he could of done anything.

[Ducati999]

For the record I am a Huge Rossi fan and I have been an the edge of my seat for every race this season. I do not agree with what he did and He should have run a clean race. I do believe he did have reason to be upset. #1 Marquez proved the point from his rant: He allowed Lorenzo to pass without even trying to pass back yet as soon as Rossi passed the pace went way up. The announcers were saying how Marquez had "front end grip issues" which went away as soon as Rossi passed him. #2 Marquez was riding super aggressive (allowed in racing to a point) but just like in past events Marquez passed in places that put him far off the racing line with a vector right back into the side of Rossi's bike. He lost with this tactic in Assen and he lost again today. Rossi definetly kicked his bike ( on slow motion you can see Marquez's head hit Rossi then Rossi kicks his leg up and the Honda goes down) Marquez would have been run off the track had he not gone down since I believe that was Rossi's original plan. You can not repeatedly make agressive off line passes and hope to win against Rossi--Marquez may have finally learned that after a few slides and DNF's!

[csmith12]

Poor sportsmanship on both riders. Strategy and putting pressure on other racers are part of racing yes... but not like this. :\

I have 2 clear observations;
Marc should have ran a cleaner race, he had the pass and the pace to pull away multiple times but "controlling the pack" is a valid race strategy as well. I am just saying it didn't have to be so obvious and careless for that matter.
Rossi should have let Marc crash on his own without any assistance, all he had to do was up the pace enough to counteract the crazy riding by Marc.

[thisisbenji]

To me they're both equally at fault.

Crazy bit is two weeks ago Rossi and Marquez were my favorite GP riders, today, I don't like either of them.

Kind of annoying that I don't like 3 out of the 4 guys capable of winning races.

It sure would be nice if there was a bit more variety in the winners or if they covered the guys farther down in the order a bit better.

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Poor sportsmanship on both riders. Strategy and putting pressure on other racers are part of racing yes... but not like this. :\

I have 2 clear observations;
Marc should have ran a cleaner race, he had the pass and the pace to pull away multiple times but "controlling the pack" is a valid race strategy as well. I am just saying it didn't have to be so obvious and careless for that matter.
Rossi should have let Marc crash on his own without any assistance, all he had to do was up the pace enough to counteract the crazy riding by Marc.

I think he wanted to beat Rossi at his own game. Same game that sent Gibbernau and Biaggi packing.

[subxero]

Originally Posted by ninjamunky85

If you don't care then why are you commenting??? MotoGP is not motocross, it is the most expensive/highest level of motorcycle racing in the world.

What Rossi did today was wrong, just like what Stewart did in the clip you showed was wrong. Are you really going to defend the actions of someone who got suspended/reputation was ruined after failing a drug test?

[thisisbenji]

Originally Posted by ninjamunky85

If you don't care then why are you commenting??? MotoGP is not motocross, it is the most expensive/highest level of motorcycle racing in the world.

....but motocross still has it on excitement! As much as I like road racing and Motogp, Supercross > MotoGP for entertainment value. Just because somethings expensive doesn't mean it's better.

[allanoue]

rossi kicked out the front wheel very clearly in motofool's post. what a ****

[Alex]

I don't think it's nearly that clear. The first contact is Marquez leaning into him and hitting Rossi's leg with his helmet; only then does Rossi try and keep him away. Marc leaned in. Slo-mo here:

https://twitter.com/pazz046/status/658206763481739264

Kicking a motorcycle at those speeds, even at that lean angle, isn't going to do anything to change its direction anyway. Also - there's no way that Rossi's foot, knee, or leg could have come in contact with the front brake lever from that angle, as it has that mandated guard to prevent exactly that. It looks like after Rossi's leg came off the peg, he caught Marc's right arm, who grabbed the front brake and the bike hit the deck. In the slo-mo you can see how quickly the repsol bike decelerates and then collapses.

Less than satisfying end (probably) to what has been an exciting season so far. Here are what some other racers have shared:

https://twitter.com/MichaelLaverty

Marc broke the unwritten rule, always RESPECT those fighting for a Championship when you're not. Vale got enraged and hung him out to dry

Spies calls both of them at fault, but also thinks the penalties aren't consistent:

https://twitter.com/BenSpies11

Josh Brookes (BSB champion) weighs in:

https://twitter.com/JoshBrookes

There is a 1400+ post thread going on about this on BARF, where all sides have been debating (arguing?) all day. Here's where it starts at the time of the incident.

[sharky nrk]

^^ the nature in which Marc when down is actually irrelevant and NOT what Rossi was penalized for. Rossi was penalized for purposefully slowing down and forcing Marc off the racing line towards the edge of the track and putting them in a position to cause Marc to go down.

Mike Webbs words -

“So in this case Valentino maintains he did not deliberately make the manoeuvre. However our view of the whole situation - looking at all the evidence - is that he deliberately ran wide and therefore deliberately caused the contact by trying to run Marquez off the track.

If they had deemed that Rossi intentionally kicked Marc's brake or handlebar he would have received 5 points instead of 3. Even Lin Jarvis has said what Rossi did was wrong - even if he felt justified.

[Panda]

Originally Posted by Alex

https://twitter.com/pazz046/status/658206763481739264

It looks like MM is accelerating (or Rossi is decelerating) and MM turns into Rossi.

[bdavison]

Marc is acting like a little spoiled kid on the track, and one would expect with his pedigree he would act like professional. But instead he's chosen to go full curmudgeon. Instead of actually racing, he's poking around. Reminds me of "that guy" we all know in mario kart who slows down in the back to get star power just to reek havoc with the leaders and be an ass.

Rossi put up with his childish garbage long enough and should have dumped his butt in the grass 4 races ago.

[jkv45]

All I see is an agitated Rossi intentionally running wide, forcing Marquez to head off-track, then giving him a little kick to seal the deal.

I don't think Rossi tried to make him go down, just send him in the dirt, but I do think everything he did was intentional. Just the way he looked over at Marquez before he made contact said something. If he was just trying to make a pass and get ahead he would have not taken the time to do that. He was making a statement.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Panda

It looks like MM is accelerating (or Rossi is decelerating) and MM turns into Rossi.

I don't see it that way. Marquez had matched Rossi's (slow) speed, neither was passing the other; after the contact they are going very different speeds directly afterwards. Brake pressure by Marc, Rossi accelerating. Here are 4 views on one combined page.

http://gfycat.com/SorrowfulTemptingHowlermonkey

[Alex]

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

Mike Webbs words -

“So in this case Valentino maintains he did not deliberately make the manoeuvre. However our view of the whole situation - looking at all the evidence - is that he deliberately ran wide and therefore deliberately caused the contact by trying to run Marquez off the track.

If they had deemed that Rossi intentionally kicked Marc's brake or handlebar he would have received 5 points instead of 3. Even Lin Jarvis has said what Rossi did was wrong - even if he felt justified.

I think that Mike's (race direction) view matches the videos. I also think it is in line with what Rossi said to the press. He was trying to push Marc wide to slow him down and discourage the silly passes (12+ in two laps, slowing both riders down).

[Panda]

Ahh ok. I think it was the perspective of the camera. In the second link their relative position doesn't change.

It seems like it's a pretty ****** thing to do for a rider, team, and manufacturer that's not involved in the championship to be trying to impact the outcome. To be honest I thought Rossi was full of **** about Phillip Island until Sepang.

[thisisbenji]

Originally Posted by Alex

I don't see it that way. Marquez had matched Rossi's (slow) speed, neither was passing the other; after the contact they are going very different speeds directly afterwards. Brake pressure by Marc, Rossi accelerating. Here are 4 views on one combined page.

http://gfycat.com/SorrowfulTemptingHowlermonkey

To me it looks like Marquez turned into Rossi. I really do think it was Rossi who tried to run Marquez off track or at least wide. However, I think it's Marquez's own damn fault he crashed. No one told him to lean into Rossi like that.

[jkv45]

Originally Posted by thisisbenji

To me it looks like Marquez turned into Rossi. I really do think it was Rossi who tried to run Marquez off track or at least wide. However, I think it's Marquez's own damn fault he crashed. No one told him to lean into Rossi like that.

Marquez was running out of track. He had to turn in.

[TnNinjaGirl]

Originally Posted by jkv45

Marquez was running out of track. He had to turn in.

No, he has the best brakes made going at a speed where he could have easily applied them and gone up and to the inside

Not condoning either side but Marquez could have absolutely avoided Rossi.

[cbinker]

I don't think he believed rossi was going to continue to run as wide as rossi did. the most likely move to keep momentum is when rossi finally turns in, Marquez continues his arc and goes up the inside on the exit.

[jkv45]

Originally Posted by TnNinjaGirl

No, he has the best brakes made going at a speed where he could have easily applied them and gone up and to the inside

Not condoning either side but Marquez could have absolutely avoided Rossi.

Not how I see it. He was not expecting Rossi to continue to force him wide.

They were both slowing, and Marquez could see he was running out of track.

I'm not a huge Marquez fan or anything, I just don't see this particular situation as any fault of Marquez.

[thisisbenji]

Originally Posted by jkv45

Marquez was running out of track. He had to turn in.

No he crashed because he was determined not to be intimidated by Rossi's tactics. Rossi basically gave him three options, 1.) run off into the weeds, 2.) slow down and fall back a bit, or 3.) crash. Marquez ego picked #3.

Anyway you look at it all parties are to be blamed. Even Lorenzo handled the situation in a very poor manor and he wasn't even involved! Dude should have just kept his mouth shut.

[adouglas]

THERE'S A FUTURE FOR THIS GUY



AS A RIDER COACH.

[thisisbenji]

Not saying what Rossi did was correct, but clearly Marquez had other options beside crashing into Rossi.



I mean, look at the size of that run off area.

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by Panda

It looks like MM is accelerating (or Rossi is decelerating) and MM turns into Rossi.

Take a closer look at the forks.
They tell you when each was braking or accelerating.

[allanoue]

Going as slow as they were, if MM got into the stones, it would have taken three guys to push him out. VR gave no options.

[thisisbenji]

Originally Posted by allanoue

Going as slow as they were, if MM got into the stones, it would have taken three guys to push him out. VR gave no options.

.... no stones on that run off, watch the GIF.

[jkv45]

Originally Posted by thisisbenji

Not saying what Rossi did was correct, but clearly Marquez had other options beside crashing into Rossi.



I mean, look at the size of that run off area.

Look at the angle they are headed compared to where the track goes.

Then compare the angle of Rossi's bike to Marquez'.

EDIT: I think we will find that Marquez' front brake lever was bumped during contact. His on-board telemetry should show if it was the case, but I've not heard one way or the other. He went down pretty fast, which makes me think it did.

[spooph]

This is exactly what Lorenzo needs to regain some fanbase... Everybody likes a clean hero and with his reputation....