New MSF!

motodancer · July 23rd, 2016, 08:21 PM

So they changed some of the exercises for the BRC, and the entire skills test is different!

Has this been discussed before? If so, sorry (I'm not on here much)
I only just found out because I started my Range Aide job last weekend

csmith12 · July 24th, 2016, 06:35 AM

I don't think have. What state? I believe there are differences in some states like California.

Koala · July 24th, 2016, 07:24 AM

I did some looking around and the only thing I could find was articles like this

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2014/0...se-curriculum/

It seems the curriculum was updated in 2014 and implemented from there. MSF riding ranges had to be changed and all MSF coaches had to go through re-certification on the new material.

motodancer · July 24th, 2016, 10:11 AM

I took the course in May 2016 and it was still the "old" one. It was updated sometime in the last 2 months. I googled it as well and couldn't find anything on it. Maybe IL was updated a couple years late??

But the test has 5 parts now:
Weaving in and out of cones
Right 90 degree turn and u-turn in box
Emergency stops
Swerving
Big u-turn (white lines)

No more S/8 turn in box, no more measuring distance in emergency stop (it's timed now). The only thing that's the same is the swerving and the wide uturn. The rules are more strict.

Does that sound familiar to you guys?
Guess we're behind..?! I'm so glad I took the old test /curriculum

EDIT: I just found videos from the state of Washington showing the "new" MSF 5-part skills test and they were uploaded 3 years ago! So I guess we are just behind

Mechanikrazy · August 1st, 2016, 02:19 PM

No more figure 8 in the box seems like a big loss.

For me, and others in my class, the figure 8 was a good indication that the bike can turn a lot sharper than a novice rider thinks. It was a good basis for practicing tight turns. The U turn might accomplish 90% of it, but the transition and bike placement for the backside of the 8 were important.

Triple Jim · August 1st, 2016, 02:41 PM

For the road test, I remember practicing figure 8s on my H2 (triple) the hard way, across the residential street I lived on, until it was easy. Later I learned that not all bikes allow the front wheel to be turned sharply enough to do that.

I talked to a woman this spring who told me about taking the test on some sport bike that would absolutely not turn sharp enough to pass the skills test U-turn. After failing once, she asked if it mattered how she made the U-turn and was told no, just do it. So she got up some speed, locked the rear wheel, and spun the bike around. She said she passed with some points deducted for that maneuver.

3ØØ · August 2nd, 2016, 08:00 PM

i just completed the msf course in Florida 2 weeks ago. The instructor said we were the last class with the old test material. It did indeed change.

csmith12 · August 3rd, 2016, 12:09 PM

Welcome 300! Please introduce yourself.

3ØØ · August 3rd, 2016, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Welcome 300! Please introduce yourself.

thank you sir.

intro thread made

July 23rd, 2016, 08:21 PM	#1
motodancer ninjette.org member Name: S Location: Midwest Join Date: May 2016 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 Posts: 134	New MSF! So they changed some of the exercises for the BRC, and the entire skills test is different! Has this been discussed before? If so, sorry (I'm not on here much) I only just found out because I started my Range Aide job last weekend

July 24th, 2016, 06:35 AM	#2
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	I don't think have. What state? I believe there are differences in some states like California. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

July 24th, 2016, 10:11 AM	#4
motodancer ninjette.org member Name: S Location: Midwest Join Date: May 2016 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 Posts: 134	I took the course in May 2016 and it was still the "old" one. It was updated sometime in the last 2 months. I googled it as well and couldn't find anything on it. Maybe IL was updated a couple years late?? But the test has 5 parts now: Weaving in and out of cones Right 90 degree turn and u-turn in box Emergency stops Swerving Big u-turn (white lines) No more S/8 turn in box, no more measuring distance in emergency stop (it's timed now). The only thing that's the same is the swerving and the wide uturn. The rules are more strict. Does that sound familiar to you guys? Guess we're behind..?! I'm so glad I took the old test /curriculum EDIT: I just found videos from the state of Washington showing the "new" MSF 5-part skills test and they were uploaded 3 years ago! So I guess we are just behind Last futzed with by motodancer; July 24th, 2016 at 01:24 PM.

August 3rd, 2016, 12:09 PM	#8
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Welcome 300! Please introduce yourself. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

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Koala ninjette.org sage Name: Koala Location: Ohio Join Date: May 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2017 Ninja 300 Winter Test Edition Posts: 589 MOTM - May '18	I did some looking around and the only thing I could find was articles like this http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2014/0...se-curriculum/ It seems the curriculum was updated in 2014 and implemented from there. MSF riding ranges had to be changed and all MSF coaches had to go through re-certification on the new material.

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Mechanikrazy ninjette.org guru Name: Al Location: Orange County, CA Join Date: Dec 2015 Motorcycle(s): Thruxton R, R6 450 triple, EX300 (sold) Posts: 263	No more figure 8 in the box seems like a big loss. For me, and others in my class, the figure 8 was a good indication that the bike can turn a lot sharper than a novice rider thinks. It was a good basis for practicing tight turns. The U turn might accomplish 90% of it, but the transition and bike placement for the backside of the 8 were important.

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Triple Jim Guy Who Enjoys Riding Name: Jim Location: North Carolina Join Date: Jul 2016 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Oct '18, Aug '17, Aug '16	For the road test, I remember practicing figure 8s on my H2 (triple) the hard way, across the residential street I lived on, until it was easy. Later I learned that not all bikes allow the front wheel to be turned sharply enough to do that. I talked to a woman this spring who told me about taking the test on some sport bike that would absolutely not turn sharp enough to pass the skills test U-turn. After failing once, she asked if it mattered how she made the U-turn and was told no, just do it. So she got up some speed, locked the rear wheel, and spun the bike around. She said she passed with some points deducted for that maneuver.

August 2nd, 2016, 08:00 PM	#7
3ØØ ninjette.org guru Name: shinobi Location: Sunshine State Join Date: Jul 2016 Motorcycle(s): '13 ninja 300 Posts: 447	i just completed the msf course in Florida 2 weeks ago. The instructor said we were the last class with the old test material. It did indeed change.