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Old January 16th, 2022, 10:10 AM   #121
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1: Yes if you look at your own post 106 with photo which show the coolant level then if you look at your other post 111 photo the coolant level is right at very bottom of the reservoir
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Old January 16th, 2022, 10:34 AM   #122
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In a pinch in boonies, you can use 1/4x24 to replace M6x1 bolt.

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Old January 17th, 2022, 01:22 PM   #123
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1: Yes if you look at your own post 106 with photo which show the coolant level then if you look at your other post 111 photo the coolant level is right at very bottom of the reservoir
2: That is most likely carburetor problem as DannoXYZ posted, But I be more concerned about actually head gasket leak than carburetor right now.

Chinmay here are some options for you in your neck of the woods too look into.
https://www.thecarburetorguy.com/
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http://finchrestorations.com.au/
I also check your local bike shop and ask about motorcycle carburetor specialist.
Hi Anthony, you were right, the coolant was low causing the radiator to become a Cho Cho train. I bought some coolant and topped up as much it could fit in the radiator and reservoir tank. Ran the engine on idle for about 15 mins, no issue (that I could see) and things seemed okay.

Thank you for taking the efforts to look up carb cleaners for my region. The ones you mentioned, they are more so historic vehicle restoration guys and don't really do modern bike carb cleaning. I called them and they flat out said no

I'm going to look around for someone else more suitable for this job or simply take her to kawi shop near me nd get them do a professional job.
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Old January 17th, 2022, 01:49 PM   #124
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Local Kawi shop most likely will NOT be able to do adequate job of carb restoration. Ask them though, they may know some ancient hermit who can actually do it.
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Old January 17th, 2022, 01:56 PM   #125
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Hi Anthony, you were right, the coolant was low causing the radiator to become a Cho Cho train. I bought some coolant and topped up as much it could fit in the radiator and reservoir tank. Ran the engine on idle for about 15 mins, no issue (that I could see) and things seemed okay.

Thank you for taking the efforts to look up carb cleaners for my region. The ones you mentioned, they are more so historic vehicle restoration guys and don't really do modern bike carb cleaning. I called them and they flat out said no

I'm going to look around for someone else more suitable for this job or simply take her to kawi shop near me nd get them do a professional job.
LoL the that so funny I take that it was Finch Restorations ? what about The Carburetor Guy.
Try google search for "australian motorcycle carburettors service" there many more.
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Alright, so, I went and got a connection hose as recommended above. Connected the two remaining things correctly and started the bike. The bike starts, idles perfectly fine for some time (until it's still cold and starting to warm up).
Now there are two issues:
1) I still can't open the throttle, cuz as soon as I do that, the bike dies. If I put the choke on, it will rev up naturally to 5-6k rpm. But any more throttle and it will die.
2) As soon as the bike is hot (left it running on the spot for 7-8mins) the coolant reservoir (white container thing on side) started to bubble up, looks like the hose from the radiator is sending hot air through the hose into the bottom of reservoir.
So I panicked and turned her off and I can't dare to start her up again. I've clearly connected a hose wrongly.
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Where did I mess up now?
When my bike gets fully hot then turned off the engine heat goes into the tank and forms a vacuum as the tank cools. Perhaps that’s why it won’t start? Takes a lot more time for mine tho’ Still, try opening the fuel door to see if it makes a difference.
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Old January 26th, 2022, 10:36 AM   #127
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well, first off idling the bike for 10 minutes it is going to over heat it.... don't do that ! limmit the time to 4~5 min. tops so you don't over heat the engine
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not taking throttle has got to be plugged jets ... if it is idling good then it's not the pilot jet... it's mainly the main jet now as it won't take any throttle
they either have to be plugged or something is stopping gas from getting to them....
the pilot jets sit above the main jets a little bit so it's not float level because it idles fine and continues to idle fine... so we can eliminate the float aspect .
so we know the main jet is sitting in gas like it should be but it is not getting through that jet for some reason.... either the jet needles are not moving when the throttle is opened or the jet and emulsifier tubes are plugged.
the only other possibility I can think of is a massive air leak one that allows a idle to happen but not opening the throttle... unlikely but I have seen that happen before !
I remember leaving the vacuum tube covers off the intake manifold one time on the XS650 it started fine but would not take throttle at all ... started checking and found both plugs for those tubes on the work bench !
I put them on and then the bike revved like it should....



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well, first off idling the bike for 10 minutes it is going to over heat it.... don't do that ! limmit the time to 4~5 min. tops so you don't over heat the engine
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not taking throttle has got to be plugged jets ... if it is idling good then it's not the pilot jet... it's mainly the main jet now as it won't take any throttle
they either have to be plugged or something is stopping gas from getting to them....
the pilot jets sit above the main jets a little bit so it's not float level because it idles fine and continues to idle fine... so we can eliminate the float aspect .
so we know the main jet is sitting in gas like it should be but it is not getting through that jet for some reason.... either the jet needles are not moving when the throttle is opened or the jet and emulsifier tubes are plugged.
the only other possibility I can think of is a massive air leak one that allows a idle to happen but not opening the throttle... unlikely but I have seen that happen before !
I remember leaving the vacuum tube covers off the intake manifold one time on the XS650 it started fine but would not take throttle at all ... started checking and found both plugs for those tubes on the work bench !
I put them on and then the bike revved like it should....



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no i did not Anthony !
even with the electric fan on it will still over heat ! HONNEST
let your bike idle and see how long it will idle before it starts pushing out fluid from the over flow ! that's not that long
the bike needs air going through the radiator to keep it cool setting still and even with the fan on it will over heat as the fan only covers about half the radiator !
...and that is assuming the fan even works on his bike which I doubt !
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no i did not Anthony !
even with the electric fan on it will still over heat ! HONNEST
let your bike idle and see how long it will idle before it starts pushing out fluid from the over flow ! that's not that long
the bike needs air going through the radiator to keep it cool setting still and even with the fan on it will over heat as the fan only covers about half the radiator !
...and that is assuming the fan even works on his bike which I doubt !
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But I start seeing overflow with air bubble then I know there something wrong

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Ok granted a car is different they have bigger radiators ! and a larger cooling capacity... a motorcycle has the absolute bare minimum of cooling capacity
when you get air bubbles in the line that means your boiling the coolant !
you know that already.... that means your overheating that engine !
and that is something you do not want to do !
I bought a Subaru with a EA82 turbo charged engine that the gal drove home without coolant in it.... it split both heads ! the damage wasn't just isolated to just the heads... but I didn't know that at the time... so I said no problem I'll just replace them, but at $586.00 each I decided to weld the cracks myself ! ... that didn't work and once I did get it running the oil pressure was really low so I scrapped it, it cost more to repair it than it was worth !
( it was cheap so I bought it on the chance I could fix it)
that gal swore up and down she only drove it 5 miles without coolant in it
and that was about 3 minutes on that road.... but she cooked it real good !
aluminum engines do not like to be over heated !
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My 250 will idle in the driveway all day without overheating. The fan cycles on and off as needed. I tried it once in warm weather just to know if it could do it without a problem and it did.
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Ok .... that is good to know ! I was wrong !
.... but I wouldn't do that ! LOL
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Fan-circuit is also connected full-time to battery. So if thermoswitch triggers fan ON, it will stay on until temps drop. Even if you pull key and walk away.
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Hello Fellow Riders,

I know it's been a while and I haven't updated you guys on the issue with my bike. This is going to be a longer one...

So after a long time of waiting, going through two mechanics, pain& suffering(of seeing the bike sit in garage), unsuccessful attempt to post on Sydney FB Ninja group and so much more, I made the decision.

I read through all your comments, your posts, your encouragements and instructions. I made the decision to do the carb cleaning myself. I would certainly like to thank Bob Kelly, Shspvr, Danno, Triple Jim, and everyone else who helped in any shape or form. Your inputs were definitely helpful. I went to local bike shop, got a $6 carb cleaner spray can, rags, newspaper, gloves, and bunch of tools with me (not professional ones, I got them from KMart for $20 kit). I opened up the carbs and gave them a thorough clean (cleaned them once, didn't have time to put them on bike, next day cleaned once again just to be sure) and then put the bike back together finally.

Put the key in, flick the kill switch, and hit the starter button.... She started right up at first go! I was over the moon, I was extremely happy and delighted. Someone with zero knowledge about bikes and engine/carbs, I got her to start. (Note that the second mechanic's attempt to fix her, had made the issue even worse and she wasn't even firing up at all). So I clearly had done a decent job at this stage. Now, after about 30 secs of idling, I opened the throttle and she didn't die on me (like what the issue was in first place). I did it! I fixed the issue and successfully cleaned the carbs in first attempt (given from your comments that some people had to re-clean them 4-5 times). The bike idles perfectly, revs up, coolant is well, and no issues so far. So put the fairings back on and she's ready to test, I was nervous, I rolled down the driveway, and started her up, clutch in, first gear, slowly release the clutch and reving up at the same time... And she picked up, no bogging, no spluttering, none at all. I did a small test ride, successful. I went for a bigger one, and bigger one and then for an hour long ride (through the laneways, roads, main roads and highways) and a sure success. I have been riding her to work for 2 days now, no issues, I am a happy puppy.

During this whole process, I had a concern that I hope I don't do something wrong somewhere and cause more harm than good, but I didn't. The one thing I'm noticing though is that she's burning a little too much fuel than I think she should. I guess some adjustments weren't perfect when putting the needle screws together. So I could use some further help here please.

Once again, thank you all for your help, guidance and encouragement along the journey. I surely agree with Danno "First, you have to recognize there are NO mechanics, zip, nada, zilch, none that can work on carbs properly!". I feel confident to do any further maintenance on her myself. It's not that difficult once you dive in and have correct tools.

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Hello Fellow Riders,

I know it's been a while and I haven't updated you guys on the issue with my bike. This is going to be a longer one...

So after a long time of waiting, going through two mechanics, pain& suffering(of seeing the bike sit in garage), unsuccessful attempt to post on Sydney FB Ninja group and so much more, I made the decision.

I read through all your comments, your posts, your encouragements and instructions. I made the decision to do the carb cleaning myself. I would certainly like to thank Bob Kelly, Shspvr, Danno, Triple Jim, and everyone else who helped in any shape or form. Your inputs were definitely helpful. I went to local bike shop, got a $6 carb cleaner spray can, rags, newspaper, gloves, and bunch of tools with me (not professional ones, I got them from KMart for $20 kit). I opened up the carbs and gave them a thorough clean (cleaned them once, didn't have time to put them on bike, next day cleaned once again just to be sure) and then put the bike back together finally.

Put the key in, flick the kill switch, and hit the starter button.... She started right up at first go! I was over the moon, I was extremely happy and delighted. Someone with zero knowledge about bikes and engine/carbs, I got her to start. (Note that the second mechanic's attempt to fix her, had made the issue even worse and she wasn't even firing up at all). So I clearly had done a decent job at this stage. Now, after about 30 secs of idling, I opened the throttle and she didn't die on me (like what the issue was in first place). I did it! I fixed the issue and successfully cleaned the carbs in first attempt (given from your comments that some people had to re-clean them 4-5 times). The bike idles perfectly, revs up, coolant is well, and no issues so far. So put the fairings back on and she's ready to test, I was nervous, I rolled down the driveway, and started her up, clutch in, first gear, slowly release the clutch and reving up at the same time... And she picked up, no bogging, no spluttering, none at all. I did a small test ride, successful. I went for a bigger one, and bigger one and then for an hour long ride (through the laneways, roads, main roads and highways) and a sure success. I have been riding her to work for 2 days now, no issues, I am a happy puppy.

During this whole process, I had a concern that I hope I don't do something wrong somewhere and cause more harm than good, but I didn't. The one thing I'm noticing though is that she's burning a little too much fuel than I think she should. I guess some adjustments weren't perfect when putting the needle screws together. So I could use some further help here please.

Once again, thank you all for your help, guidance and encouragement along the journey. I surely agree with Danno "First, you have to recognize there are NO mechanics, zip, nada, zilch, none that can work on carbs properly!". I feel confident to do any further maintenance on her myself. It's not that difficult once you dive in and have correct tools.

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Usually, it depends sometimes they can come clean right way sometimes it can take many times to get all gunk out for it work any way good Job
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The one thing I'm noticing though is that she's burning a little too much fuel than I think she should.
I'm glad you're now riding! What makes you say it's burning a little too much fuel? Have you calculated miles per gallon, or equivalent? How far do you get before needing "reserve"?
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now, if you don't have a paper fuel filter in line after the petcock and before the carbs you need one ! get one on there before your carbs get plugged up again.
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the Ninja does use more fuel than the 250cc singles that is normal and you have to pull the spark plugs in order to do a color check to determine if it is running too rich or not personally, i doubt it is. but it could be. it's more likely that the chokes are not being turned off completely check the slack in the cable and you may have to re-route the choke cable to get the slack you need in the cable to get them to open and close properly .
that would be the first place I check for a rich running Ninja 250....
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do yourself a favor and never put gas into the bike from a can or gas container, as that is a good way to get junk into the gas tank... fill up at a gas station only !
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congratulations on your achievement ! that is nothing to sneeze at ! it is a big accomplishment and you can be proud you did it.
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Ninja does use more fuel than the 250cc singles that is normal...
Mine certainly does not. Its MPG averages in the mid to upper 60s.
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boy mine don't ! it's in the mid to low 40's LOL
..... maybe I should sync the carbs ! HA!
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boy mine don't ! it's in the mid to low 40's LOL
..... maybe I should sync the carbs ! HA!
That's not carb sync... something is wrong.
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Humm... could be too large of Main Jets the previous owner did "Modify" the thing.... I haven't done a Plug color check sense I got it running so that might be a good idea....
.....oh... darn I just thought of what it might be.... oil level is high too...
and I know the pet cock leaks and when it is on it's side stand it leans a LONG way over now with the shortened side stand... i bet it's leaking gas into the bottom end.... I better check into that before I ride it again....
.... I hate vacuum petcocks might be time to buy one I can actually turn on and off !...( and change the oil again!)
.... last color check on the plugs looked great, I couldn't ask for anything better
which means it's not burning all that gas it's just dripping into the bottom end
... wonder why I haven't had a hydro lock then??? slow leak perhaps ?
.... Darn you Jim !!! now I gott'a work on the Ninja again ! HAHAHAHA
but thank you anyway !!!! you may well have saved me a bunch of trouble coming up in the future !
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boy mine don't ! it's in the mid to low 40's LOL
..... maybe I should sync the carbs ! HA!
The fuel mileage can vary from low as 45 to as high 60 there a lot of things you have factor in.
86-87 Fuel capacity: 3.33 gal
You be luck get about 130 miles tops before need to switch to reserve it was more of a city bike, I know I rode one from Nampa, ID to Twin Falls, ID one summer in early 90's.

88-12 Fuel capacity: 4.8 gal
You should get at lease 200 miles before hitting reserve with non-fuel gauge model.
An option is to download the mobile app like fuelly to keep of this.
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