March 23rd, 2012, 12:33 PM | #1 |
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0-60 Challenge: Why My 250 is Potentially Faster Than Your 250!
As many of you know, n4mwd and I kinda threadjacked nickjpass's thread about the 2012 CBR250R while talking about 0-60 times.
SOOOOO and idea came to me. If we're wondering the differences in times from classic 250 to new 250, why not get the whole forum involved? That way we can get definitive numbers (and many trials) to show that either one generation is better, or as I suspect, that they're nearly identical Rules for taking part in this 0-60 challenge
I'll go first:
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March 23rd, 2012, 12:40 PM | #3 |
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You didn't get your wheel up between 1st and 2nd.. plz go out and repeat!
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March 23rd, 2012, 12:52 PM | #6 |
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That's why I said to compensate for the speedo error. Not all of us have GPS's, but we all have speedo's, and as long as you compensate, it will be close enough. They're all built to the same tolerance.
for me, 130/90 Rear, 100/90 front, 14/47 gearing, 60 is indicated as 63 mph @12,070 rpm in 3rd gear. By reviewing my video frame by frame, that gave me 2 ques to be accurate enough in my timing; the tach and the speedo. |
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None of this makes it a useless exercise, and whether it's 62 mph or 66 mph won't change the world, but it does mean that the times are also effectively variable by .5 - 1.0 seconds IMO.
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Well, me stating the gearing was so that alex could to to the site and use the same inputs. I know it has nothing to do with the speedo. That's off the front wheel.
So now we just have a margin of error to consider also. Times are now + or - 0.5 seconds. |
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March 23rd, 2012, 02:02 PM | #10 |
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That works.
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March 23rd, 2012, 02:06 PM | #11 |
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pay for a dyno run.
you can setup the dyno for 1/4 mile run and get the figures off that. bonus = no fine, speeding, loss of licence etc |
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March 23rd, 2012, 02:40 PM | #12 |
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can i post my speeding ticket for doing 103mph in a 50 on the ninja250? it was lidar.
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hang on, where's @Jiggles, and @n4mwd? they have videos that would work well here. |
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March 23rd, 2012, 05:03 PM | #14 |
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Yep, here's mine...
Link to original page on YouTube.
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March 23rd, 2012, 05:25 PM | #15 |
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You'd think there would be a 0-60 app for Android somewhere.
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I was having the same issues. My needles could use another washer. We'll see if that makes any difference. I think the biggest thing for getting faster time was making more than one run. The more runs I made, the faster I got. that, and shifting without the clutch right at 13,000rpm |
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March 23rd, 2012, 06:00 PM | #17 |
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where are the new gen vids at? wish i had a gopro.
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Borrow one!!!
Jiggles has a video, and I know @massacremasses has a gopro. So does @Kevin2109 (but he BETTER USE HIS 250!! ) |
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The main thing is that you need a good mount. This is what I used.
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ill do it tomorrow.
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I'll do some more runs on monday. Since I got my valve adjustment my bike has been running better, maybe I can shave off a few tenths of a second
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I don't have a smart phone. Too expensive
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March 23rd, 2012, 11:50 PM | #25 |
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I'll sit this one out. Mine has the infamous variable tach syndrome and a heavy rider
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March 24th, 2012, 12:06 AM | #26 |
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They do. It's called "UlyseeSpeedometer". It's quite useful.
And on a side-note, can I enter the contest with my new bike?
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I shall join in on the fun!
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I'm interested also, but for slightly different reasons.
The analysis software that I use for my FI system (MegaLogViewer is the name. Is it just my 4th-grader potty-humor mentality or is that a funny name?) includes the ability to estimate the vehicle's horsepower during the analysis of your riding datalogs if you input a list of parameters into it like rear tire cirumference, final drive ratio, gearbox ratio, displacement per cylinder, number of cylinders, etc. When properly set up the MegaLogViewer software becomes a "poor man's" dyno. You have to go out and datalog some max-power runs, like the 0-60 mph testing you guys are doing here on this thread. Then you go home and input the datalog to the MegaLogViewer software and run it run several times over, changing the gearbox ratio for each of the bike's gears. It doesn't produce a single sheet of paper printout result like a dyno session does, but through the process I've described above you can cobble together a pretty accurate idea of the bike's true horsepower. This 0-60 thread is my new inspiration to do this testing, now all I have to do is find the time. |
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Maybe we could get a more accurate comparison just by chrono'ing a known distance in feet. Google Earth allows to measure the distance of your test very accurately. Being the great physics guy that you are choneofakind, you can calculate a standard distance at which your Ninjette has reached more or less 60 mph. Less time covering that distance wins, and we can calculate mean hard numbers using the media acceleration obtained for each model. Just an idea, of course.
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sorry mate, no. This is to start/decide a fun contest betwixt generations to see which bike is "better". It's well documented that 600's can do 60 in less than 4 seconds. 250's are somewhat debated because the numbers vary so much based on rider weight.
but if you want to practice some 0-60 times and record them on your own, (still post them somewhere. you know I'll watch them ) that would be good also. Launches are a good skill for a rider to have. They're also a skill I'm no good at and would like to improve upon. Quote:
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Okay, so today I got the camera mounted, got the netbook computer connected to the FI system's Microsquirt ECU for datalogging of the event and went out for some 0 to 60 runs.
You know what I learned? I learned I don't like that sort of riding. Something about it bothers me. I got the job done (I think), but I didn't enjoy it. Working on the video now. *Edit* Okay, I've spent a few minutes getting an initial look at the video I shot. I have to say I don't launch the bike very well (I only did about 5 runs before I had to admit 0 to 60 timetrials riding wasn't for me and headed back home). Conservative estimate of the video so far (not trying to shave it at all in the analysis of the tape), I'd say 7.21 is the best I did. ... and now that I've watched myself a bit more I'm realizing I don't shift very well either. All I can say is that so far this 0 to 60 testing thing has been a real eye-opening experience for me with regard to watching myself ride the bike on video and not particularly liking what I'm seeing. Going to a friend's house now to drink some beer. Maybe I'll post some video of the whole thing here on the thread tomorrow. |
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Pull two plug wires off the ZX6 and it should be a fair comparison.
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Hmmm.. I will have to try this when the weather is nice. But I have no camera.. I suppose I'll have to borrow/use my phone as GPS instead.
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Most digital cameras have a video function. You can use that. I've seen video on even those little $20 keychain cameras at Wall Mart.
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I don't have a trustworthy way to mount my a DSLR, otherwise I would!
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