September 6th, 2017, 08:41 AM | #1 |
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Just realized I will have a problem transporting my first bike
Most of the prospective bike sellers I will be dealing with will be ~30-50 miles away. Anything closer is either a standard, harley, cruiser, dirt bike, or 600cc SS; which either don't interest me or scare the brown stuff out of me.
On to the real problem. I am currently living with a family member, working from home, and don't have a car to use to visit the seller. I have a scooter, but... yeah... Since I am going to be buying a 250 and those things get bought up like hot cakes, I am going to need a quick way to travel up to 50 miles and carry a motorcycle back with me. Why carry it back with me and not ride it? 1) I don't yet have an endorsement. The local college that teaches the MSF course has stopped for this year in august. 2) Even if I did have an endorsement, I wouldn't want to ride a new-to-me bike, in unfamiliar territory, trying to remember what little I was taught. I cannot rely on the family member I live with because she has a usual 9ish to 5ish job, and if I need to meet a seller quickly while she is still working I'm SOL. Also, her car is a company-owned car so I cannot legally drive it, nor can she tow anything, so no motorcycle trailer. Plus, and I REALLY apologize if this offends anyone, she isn't a very good driver. I have an in-law I can call upon that has a truck that I am pretty sure a ninja can fit into. If not, he might have a suitable trailer. But, again, the typical 9-5 job, plus he is a farmer so an even tighter schedule. My only thought so far on how to transport the bike would be to rent a u-haul truck and use that to drive down there and carry the bike back. Unfortunately that would be about $100 wasted if I didn't buy the bike. Is there an option I am missing? |
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September 6th, 2017, 08:57 AM | #2 |
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Ride scooter to check out bike.
Make deal, sign paperwork, put down deposit if needed. Go home on scooter. Rent U-haul truck and come back next day. Check out Home Depot for truck rentals. Enterprise has trucks and large vans that can haul bikes. I have a trailer, but it's stored in back of garage and takes a while to shuffle things around to release it. So I always do the 1st check-out trip without trailer and come back on 2nd trip with trailer if I'm buying. |
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September 6th, 2017, 08:57 AM | #3 |
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(Edit: oops, JR beat me to it)
Yes. Visit seller on your scooter. Buy bike. Get paperwork and key. Go home. The bike is now yours... just needs to be picked up. Arrange for transport afterwards, when schedules can be coordinated. Any reasonable seller will be happy to park the bike while you get transport worked out. In the meantime, you can visit the DMV and get the title/registration/plate sorted out. Your farmer relative sounds like the best option. Loading a truck (I assume a pickup) can be tricky... very high bed, steep ramps (you need ramps), etc. If he doesn't own a trailer and ramps, then a U-Haul motorcycle trailer (built-in ramp) can be rented for $15 per day.
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September 6th, 2017, 08:59 AM | #4 |
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If it's that close, I wouldn't worry about being able to take it right away if you want it. You can give the owner some amount to hold it for you while you make arrangements to pick it up. Just enough that they know you will be back, and get a receipt of some kind.
You still need some transportation to get there, and it may be a stretch on the scooter, but that's another issue that you need to work out. If you decide to buy it, the cost to rent a U-Haul Cargo Van should be reasonable. Make sure you have a ramp and tiedowns. You could also talk to the seller and see if they have a way to deliver it for a reasonable cost. Any friends that can go with you, and drive, to look at it? Dang - I type too slow! |
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September 6th, 2017, 09:01 AM | #5 |
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Most sellers are aware of constraints on buyers due to work schedules, and should be able to meet with you at your convenience. You can't let yourself get caught up in "gotta get there fast before someone else gets it" thinking. Nice motorcycles will become available on the used market if you're patient, and if you don't have your motorcycle endorsement yet, you have no reason to be impatient.
It sounds like your best option is probably to ask your in-law when he might be able to help you pick up a motorcycle you're interested in, and work from there. Looking at it by scooter and leaving a deposit and getting a written receipt if you like the bike, and then going back with your in-law later that day or the next day would be reasonable. That way you can look at several if you need to, without wearing out your welcome with your in-law. Funny all the replies within about 3 minutes while I was typing. |
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September 6th, 2017, 09:06 AM | #6 |
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Looks like I was late to another party... Great advices
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September 6th, 2017, 09:26 AM | #7 | |
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September 6th, 2017, 10:10 AM | #8 |
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Making the trek with the scooter isn't really an option - its a cheapo chinese 50cc that I've heavily modified. Also, the battery is... crap. It would make it there and back, but I think there's minimum speeds on the back roads I'd be on. And running a 50 at WOT for probably close to 4 hours round-trip is irksome to say the least.
Nevertheless, I appreciate the fast and friendly replies. I think I'm just getting my self worked up about this whole thing. I always tend to try and make the situation as bad as I possibly can in my head. Same thing happened when I got my scooter delivered - it came via an 18-wheeler... delivered to a residential address. I thought they were going to call me and tell me I would have to pick it up at the airport or something. Nope, Those crafty big rig drivers had no problem maneuvering through our little side-street with cars parked on both sides. |
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September 6th, 2017, 11:38 AM | #9 |
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Hmm, maybe step back a little and re-arrange order of operations. I say:
1. get motorcycle endorsement 2. get in lots of parking-lot practice with scooter: tight-circles, figure-8s, fast braking, etc. 3. take your time and find good deal on bike. Mechanic's specials can be had for 1/4 to 1/5th of KBB prices 4. get ride to seller or take bus 5. ride bike back! My first bike, I bought without ever having ridden street-bike before (learned on dirt-bikes). Just gotten my learner's-permit for auto. Bought bike, stalled and dropped it going up guy's super-steep driveway (street-bikes are #$@^ HEAVY). After I got out of driveway, it was piece of cake! |
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September 6th, 2017, 11:57 AM | #10 |
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As much as I hate to admit it, I think you are right. Unless all the pieces fall into place, I'll have to wait until sometime in spring next year when the safety courses are being taught to buy a bike. At least that give me all of winter to save up more money for a better bike and/or gear!
I've had the scooter for... wow over 6 years now. I'm pretty confident in my maneuvering capabilities, though I've never ridden a true motorcycle. And I'm over 25 so I have a good amount of driving/traffic experience. Plus the quote for annual insurance for a 250 for me is only about $245. |
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September 6th, 2017, 12:06 PM | #11 |
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Where in the US do you live?
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September 6th, 2017, 12:06 PM | #12 |
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September 6th, 2017, 12:29 PM | #13 |
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Strange that they've quit giving courses for the year already. Maybe there just aren't enough people that sign up this late in the year.
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September 6th, 2017, 12:42 PM | #14 |
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I guess so. I emailed the college to make sure I'm not just having a problem viewing an old version of their website or something.
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Funding cuts...
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Budgets aren't isolated islands though. Various sources of funding and monies come in and are pooled for various projects and courses. Then that pool divvied up amongst courses. Not sure how decisions are made, but when total pool amount decreases, some courses are axed from list. It may be too labour-intensive to analyse each and every course to determine whether it's fully self-supported.
At UCSB, I recall club-sports and NCAA sports had different budgets. Due to cut-backs, they looked at easiest to drop item that had largest costs. That way, only single sport was cut. Turned out to be football team!!! |
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there is no reason to have a course after august in MI. there wouldnt be enough people.
the classes in the spring sell out in the winter. Depending on where you are, Biker bobs does the class all the time, you just have to pay more than the $30 that you would for the state MSF class. Where in MI?
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I am quoting a pdf I found on michigan.gov, "Michigan is the only state that offers unlimited personal injury protection benefits. These benefits are offered through no-fault auto insurance policies. The Michigan Catastrophic Claims Association (MCCA) reimburses no-fault auto insurers for amounts paid in excess of $555,000 per claim. ... Your auto insurer is responsible for, and pays, the MCCA assessment. However, the cost is often passed on to policyholders." So it's a double-edged sword here; no fault insurance, but it's mandatory and will cost ya. On another note, I got a reply from the college I emailed, they confirmed they stopped the MSF course for the year and will resume next year in May. |
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I rented a 20' van bodied Penskie truck to get my Ninja home. A 12' tuck would have been fine but they didn't have one. The motorcycle trailer sounds like a good ides but I didn't have a trailer hitch. Getting the bike on the truck was no problem as there were three guys there at the purchase point. Getting it off the truck by myself was a-little nerve wracking. I laid an extension ladder parallel to the trucks ramp and covered the ladder with plywood and walked the bike down the ramp (I had no one to help me). I spent $260.00 for the truck. My initial visit to view the bike was by car and $100.00 held the bike until I got back with the truck the next day. Could you borrow your friends truck? Offer him $200.00. It would be cheaper than a truck rental. A pickup truck is a viable option but you want to make sure you have pick points in the truck bed to attach tie downs. Don't wait till spring, now is the best time of year to buy a bike if selling price is a major consideration. Bill
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I had 4 years of dirt riding before getting my cycle license at 16, and that helped a lot. Starting on the street from scratch without any previous cycle experience is a recipe for disaster. There's no time to learn the basics of riding on the street. My 2 boys have been riding since they were 4, but were still required (by the state) to take the MSF basic course before getting their license because they were under 18. I'm fine with that. I don't think driving a car and riding a cycle take the same amount of skill, so just because you have driving experience doesn't mean you can ride a cycle proficiently. I made my boys go 1 full year without incident in a car before they were allowed to get their cycle license. Ticked them off, but I still think it was a good idea. |
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Nobody says you have to take a training course.
That doesn't make it a bad idea. The Darwinian sink-or-swim approach works only if you survive the learning process. Are you more capable if you do? Arguably no... you might have learned some bad habits because you blew off the training that would have taught you the right ones. Basic training is a resource that teaches you skills, instills a safety mindset and greatly reduces risk in those early days when the rider is most likely to have an accident. So why not take advantage of it, other than "In my day we didn't need no stinkin' training... man up and grow a pair" ? It's a smart investment of time, and a little bit of money. IMHO preparation and education beats winging it every time. That's why I go to the track. It's not to go fast. Hell, I can go fast on the street and take the risk. It's to learn, practice and become a better, safer rider. To take advantage of the training.
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I had told her about target fixation and looking where she wanted to go, but there was something about being in a class with other students and several teachers, and the way they taught the material and tested the students, that made her remember it from the class when the truck appeared. Some similar things have come up in the years since that confirm that I didn't waste my money. I don't believe that everyone has to take the course to be a safe rider, but I think there's enough good material taught that it can't hurt, and will probably help anyone who takes it. |
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Answering the original question, I rent a pick-up from the local Lowes. They offer unlimited mileage, and cap out at $90 / day rental fee. You still need a set of ramps though.
I have done this several times now, and with fuel and about 3 hours total time rented, average around a $50 outlay to collect my MCs. U-Haul charges a rental fee PLUS mileage.
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I won't say I "needed" the training course, but I did learn a lot, and am glad I did. My initial motivation was the skills waiver so I didn't have to take the driving test at the DMV, and in that I succeeded, but I was pleased to learn a lot about defensive driving, among other things. (and I started out being a very defensive driver)
It helped ease the learning curve when I went on the roads, too. I could pay attention to traffic and lane positioning and whatnot instead of just controlling the bike. So while I agree they're not strictly necessary, and we don't "need" them, I found it very helpful and recommend them often. Especially for people who are afraid of motorcycles. It gives them a safe space to try it out and get used to the idea. |
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1- I just bought a Ninjette by driving my car, and paying for the bike. At a later time I had someone bring me back to pickup the bike. If you are riding a scooter on the street, you will be able to safely get the bike home. You have all the skills except perhaps shifting - but you will figure that out fast. Don't make this into much more than it is. Get the bike home and then practice - then take the MSF course when you can.
2 - As far as the MSF course - I was riding street for 5 or 6 years before I took the intro course and I found it useful for a few good tips. I started riding street mostly because I was forced to. I needed to get a second set of wheels but had no money - so I bought an old bike for a few hundred bucks that needed minor electrical work. I did the work and had a bike to ride that enabled me to get to work every day. I did have dirt riding experience prior to street, but it's quite a different experience IMHO. I rarely lock up the rear wheel to make corners on the street. |
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Uhaul is a little pricey but it'll work. Also if you have a Menards they rent pick up trucks for cheap. And don't skip the MSC no matter what anyone says. It's the right thing to do and prepares you well for riding.
Occasionally you can throw some extra money at the seller and they'll haul the bike to you.
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As a bike seller I've ridden a bike to the buyers home.
I've also trailered a bike to a buyers home (they paid my full asking price for the bike without trying to talk me down, had just received their license the day before, it was getting dark and thunderstorms were rolling in, they only had a tinted face shield on their helmet, and they had their wife and 3 young kids in the minivan. My wife and daughter looked at me and were "no you are not letting him ride that home") There are also bike transport companies, usually some local guys with a trailer. Contact them and see what they charge, call them before you go to look at the bike to see if they are available to transport. Anything is negotiable. When you make contact with the seller ask if there is anyway they can deliver the bike to you. |
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When I bought my CBR600RR, I got the seller to deliver from Inland Empire to Santa Barbara for case of beer!!! Well, he was on his way to Laguna Seca that weekend anyway...
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I have to agree with what's been said. Buy the bike. Get key and paperwork. Arrange with seller to pick up next day. Go to DMV and get everything done the next morning.
Get someone to take you to get the bike. Arrive and install tag. Take off for home. And, over $200 per year for minimal bike insurance...Yikes!!! I pay $50 per year. I was the first person in my county to pass the DMV road test on a chopper. But, I've had my license for 38 years now (there was no such thing as a course back then) and no accidents. My son has his permit now and will be taking the MSF course. He won't have to take the DMV test if he passes the MSF course. He'll get an insurance discount. He'll pay more attention to someone else teaching him in a class environment than he will me. Take the course when you can. You'll be glad you did. |
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Thinking back about it some more. I've bought a bike, paid the money, took the title and keys, but left the bike around behind the sellers house, then drove my car home, jumped in my truck and driven back to pick up the bike.
Also not sure about MI, but here in VA you can get a temporary (IIRC 3 day) transport tag on line for $7. When I bought my Sportster I really liked what I saw on line and from talking to the seller. I got the VIN number from him before I went to look at the bike (allowed me to run a report on it first too), paid the $7 for the transport tag, went and looked at the bike with my daughter along, handed the man my cash, went on line on my phone to add the bike to my insurance policy and rode home completely legal while my daughter followed me in the car. Anyhow @Aldent how is the bike search going? |
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