2012 amateur 250 supersport & ulws standings

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 03:02 PM

As you know, we're working with CVMA to have the Top 3 Amateurs recognized in the annual banquet since the class is not currently separated by status. In addition, we're working with vendors/sponsors on awarding you for your achievements.

So the question is, should the current standings be scored as if it was segregated by status (1st place = 25 pts, 2nd = 20 pts, 3rd = 16 pts, etc.) or should we leave it as is?

Please try not to cast bias votes <--prolly asking too much.

But I need to know so I can turn in the final proposal to CVMA.

1st attached is a pic of how the standings would look if we revised it as if Amateurs were scored separately from Experts. 2nd & 3rd attached pics are how the standings look right now (taken directly from CVMA's site).

With 2 races in each class (Supersport & Ultra Lightweight Shootout) to go it's still a tight race for you Amateurs.

Let me know your thoughts.

On a side note - I'm pushing to have the class scored/awarded separately by Expert/Amateur for 2013-2014 but with this month's showing it's hard to justify the cause/expense. If you want the class separated by status we really need you guys to spread the word, recruit racers, and continue to show up & RACE on a regular basis. I know a few people will be dropping out next year so we need those spots filled up as well on top of getting new racers to join. I'll keep you posted.

CC Cowboy · October 23rd, 2012, 03:06 PM

Do it anyway you want as long as Tiffany wins.

This is strictly non-bias.

sierrahotel · October 23rd, 2012, 03:11 PM

I believe you are the top Am regardless of accounting method.

I don't actually understand what the options are. Leave it the way what is?

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierrahotel

I believe you are the top Am regardless of accounting method.

I don't actually understand what the options are. Leave it the way what is?

Andrew (Cheeks) and I will be excluded from the Amateur scoring. Leave it the way it is...meaning how CVMA has it currently scored online (scored with the Experts).

alex.s · October 23rd, 2012, 03:17 PM

i'll be honest and upfront. i simply don't like the idea.

sierrahotel · October 23rd, 2012, 03:23 PM

Oh I see. as in: scored with the weighted point reward based on overall position vs scored with a separate weighted point reward based on finishing position out of amateurs.

Damn, I think I might have a first in the AM system. Therefore we gotta stick with overall scores. Forever 5th.

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i'll be honest and upfront. i simply don't like the idea.

Which idea?

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierrahotel

Oh I see. as in: scored with the weighted point reward based on overall position vs scored with a separate weighted point reward based on finishing position out of amateurs.

Damn, I think I might have a first in the AM system. Therefore we gotta stick with overall scores. Forever 5th.

No, you don't have 1st in the 250 SS but you do have 5th in ULWS (for now). Open the attached pic in the initial post.

alex.s · October 23rd, 2012, 03:46 PM

i know we've gone over this already. and i know everyone disagrees with me, but you asked for peoples opinions. in my opinion its like putting all the dull knives in a separate drawer so you can feel good about being the sharpest knife in the drawer... still a dull knife, and i know people like achievements and recognition. it's just not my thing.

like i said, i know everyone disagrees with me. so don't worry trying to tell me i'm wrong. i already know you think i am.

dino74 · October 23rd, 2012, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

So the question is, should the current standings be scored as if it was segregated by status (1st place = 25 pts, 2nd = 20 pts, 3rd = 16 pts, etc.) or should we leave it as is?

I'd say 25/20/16/etc cause I'd have 250SS locked up!!!!!

Actually, the other way I have a 25pt lead over John H which is almost a lockup because he'd have to get at least 4th in both races. Hard to do when Nem/Josh/Steve/Darren/Cheeks are racing.

I'd say flip a coin because either way, someone is going to benefit or get screwed.

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i know we've gone over this already. and i know everyone disagrees with me, but you asked for peoples opinions. in my opinion its like putting all the dull knives in a separate drawer so you can feel good about being the sharpest knife in the drawer... still a dull knife, and i know people like achievements and recognition. it's just not my thing.

like i said, i know everyone disagrees with me. so don't worry trying to tell me i'm wrong. i already know you think i am.

Are you going through PMS? Cuz I have no idea what you're talking about. Opinions are good regardless if one disagrees or not.
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alex.s · October 23rd, 2012, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Are you going through PMS?

yes. i need chocolate.

Zombiphone · October 23rd, 2012, 04:56 PM

Alex, in his completely incomprehensible way is trying to say "I disagree with separating and awarding the best Amateur on the basis that that makes me feel like I'm running in the special olympics. There should be only one winner within the class regardless of their expert or amateur status"

Was that so hard?

alex.s · October 23rd, 2012, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombiphone

Alex, in his completely incomprehensible way is trying to say "I disagree with separating and awarding the best Amateur on the basis that that makes me feel like I'm running in the special olympics. There should be only one winner within the class regardless of their expert or amateur status"

Was that so hard?

very eloquent.

Rexbo · October 23rd, 2012, 05:06 PM

Regardless of CVMA's awards, I'm all for the experts (and hong/cheeks) giving an informal award to "bottom-feeder of the year" for the 250 amateurs

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombiphone

Alex, in his completely incomprehensible way is trying to say "I disagree with separating and awarding the best Amateur on the basis that that makes me feel like I'm running in the special olympics. There should be only one winner within the class regardless of their expert or amateur status"

Was that so hard?

Y u made?

Goes to show we can't please everyone.

BTW, I understood what he meant...I was questioning why the emotions? =P

alex.s · October 23rd, 2012, 05:07 PM

"informal award"... does this have to do with man-soup and darren's sleeping arrangements?

Rexbo · October 23rd, 2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

"informal award"... does this have to do with man-soup and darren's sleeping arrangements?

depends on the recipient.

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexbo

Regardless of CVMA's awards, I'm all for the experts (and hong/cheeks) giving an informal award to "bottom-feeder of the year" for the 250 amateurs

Thanks for your support bro.

I think if you guys looked at it from our perspective, you Amateurs played a vital role in making the class what it is today. It wasn't one man or the veteran's doing but all the credit goes to you guys. And this is our way of saying, thank you!

I agree that we should still reward the top 3 amateurs and it would be cool if all of you showed your support in doing so whether you agree with it or not out of pure good sportsmanship.

Okay, here are the results as it stands on CVMA's website. So, the question is would you go with the current results on CVMA's website or have it adjusted and scored as if "scored with a separate weighted point reward based on finishing position out of amateurs"? <--see pic attached in original post.

alex.s · October 23rd, 2012, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Thanks for your support bro.

I think if you guys looked at it from our perspective, you Amateurs played a vital role in making the class what it is today. It wasn't one man or the veteran's doing but all the credit goes to you guys. And this is our way of saying, thank you!

I agree that we should still reward the top 3 amateurs and it would be cool if all of you showed your support in doing so whether you agree with it or not out of pure good sportsmanship.

Okay, here are the results as it stands on CVMA's website. So, the question is would you go with the current results on CVMA's website or have it adjusted and scored as if "scored with a separate weighted point reward based on finishing position out of amateurs"? <--see pic attached in original post.

you should change the thread to add a poll, it would make voting easier

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

you should change the thread to add a poll, it would make voting easier

You're right but then I got to thinking anyone and everyone can cast votes; and the only people's vote I care about are those who are racing with CVMA.

alex.s · October 23rd, 2012, 05:20 PM

you can make it public so you can see who voted for what, then just ignore the people who aren't cvma racers

Zombiphone · October 23rd, 2012, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Y u made?

Goes to show we can't please everyone.

What? No, I'm not mad at all. Alex's use of elaborate metaphors without first stating the point and generally being completely incapable of communicating a thought was just physically painful to read so I had to clarify

I have no qualms with a top honors or separate amateur class personally. I think it would be cool, but I also admittedly won't be heartbroken if it's not an option on an official level. As for everything else with points, I'll have to wait until I'm not on my phone to take the time to form an opinion
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Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombiphone

I'll have to wait until I'm not on my phone to take the time to form an opinion

*Le sigh*

You do realize we just have a month left, right?

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

you can make it public so you can see who voted for what, then just ignore the people who aren't cvma racers

I think so...and I tried to edit the original post but it's a no go.

Maybe Alex can help.

Nemesis · October 23rd, 2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexbo

Regardless of CVMA's awards, I'm all for the experts (and hong/cheeks) giving an informal award to "bottom-feeder of the year" for the 250 amateurs

BTW, your boy Mr. Bartlow listed himself as an Amateur. Suck on dat!

Zombiphone · October 23rd, 2012, 05:32 PM

Cvma brings out the sandbagger in everyone?
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cynicalkit · October 23rd, 2012, 05:48 PM

Whatever makes things easiest I am game for. Either way changes the results a lot.

CC Cowboy · October 23rd, 2012, 06:26 PM

Did Tiffany win yet?

Nemesis · October 24th, 2012, 05:45 AM

Okay, poll is up.

Thanks to Alex.

shane liberty · October 25th, 2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i know we've gone over this already. and i know everyone disagrees with me, but you asked for peoples opinions. in my opinion its like putting all the dull knives in a separate drawer so you can feel good about being the sharpest knife in the drawer... still a dull knife, and i know people like achievements and recognition. it's just not my thing.

like i said, i know everyone disagrees with me. so don't worry trying to tell me i'm wrong. i already know you think i am.

At the beginning of the year I would have agreed with you. I wanted to earn just enough points to bump up but then I started leading the points in an amateur class. Suddenly I cared about points.

Points give people incentive to keep showing up round after round. The 250 riders all love competing against each other and since the experts are scored with the amateurs officially, it's tough to be a learner and still have that points incentive if you're stuck racing against guys or gals with years of racing experience. You may never reach the same level. What's the harm in awarding amateurs with the same fun of a points incentive against other amateurs?

I bet if you were leading points in a class at CVMA you would start to care about it. things are different on the other side of the fence.

Just my 2 cents. I jumped in here to read the chart to see where my wife was in the points.

alex.s · October 25th, 2012, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane liberty

but then I started leading the points in an amateur class.

oh yeah! congratulations on the 1:59! very impressive *golf clap*

shane liberty · October 25th, 2012, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

oh yeah! congratulations on the 1:59! very impressive *golf clap*

:58.5 thank you very much!

Not bad for a stock motor SV

Nevermind the NASCAR impression Christian and I performed on Saturday.

alex.s · October 25th, 2012, 05:22 PM

Rubbing is racing right?

shane liberty · October 25th, 2012, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

Rubbing is racing right?

Ass packing too? lol. His tranny locked up. It was a crash fest to avoid hitting him or the kid in front of me.

dino74 · October 25th, 2012, 05:33 PM

Code:

                  250SS.1   250SS.2  250SS.3    250SS.4   250SS.5      
AM/EX Separate    Dean/191  Kit/119  John/115   Tiff/106  Elaine/102
AM/EX Combined    Dean/88   John/63  Elaine/55  Kit/55    Tiff/47

Code:

                   ULWS.1      ULWS.2   ULWS.3  ULWS .4 ULWS.5      
AM/EX Separate     Elaine/110  Dean/90  Tiff/79 Kit/70  Pen/61
AM/EX Combined     Elaine/58   Dean/49  Tiff/45 Kit/41  Pen/34

Either way, its the same for me but that can't be said about the others. I think to be fair, flip a coin.

Can we add a "flip a coin" option to the poll?

Nemesis · October 25th, 2012, 05:39 PM

So, do you have 250SS locked in Dean?

Shawn3210 · October 25th, 2012, 07:54 PM

I no win nothing but sure it would be nice. Have our own lil thing....would be fun to do.

cynicalkit · October 26th, 2012, 08:57 AM

okay I voted separate cuz that makes me 2nd. Duh!! Yes i'm biased. Based on the fact that if we were going to get kudos anyways, it would be scored separately just like all the other classes are. Ex. Am FTwins isnt combined scored with expert FTwins in points.

But seriously even just hanging out with a group celebratory "yay for everyone" would be fine with me too.

Nemesis · October 26th, 2012, 09:00 AM

All you CVMA 250 racers (Shane's vote doesn't count..haha) hurry up & vote!

View Poll Results: Should we adjust the scoring?
Yes, the standings should be scored as if it the classes are segregated by status	8	72.73%
No, keep the scoring as a single race ranking including amateur & expert	3	27.27%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

October 23rd, 2012, 03:06 PM	#2
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	Do it anyway you want as long as Tiffany wins. This is strictly non-bias. __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

October 23rd, 2012, 03:17 PM	#5
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i'll be honest and upfront. i simply don't like the idea. __________________________________________________

October 23rd, 2012, 03:46 PM	#9
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i know we've gone over this already. and i know everyone disagrees with me, but you asked for peoples opinions. in my opinion its like putting all the dull knives in a separate drawer so you can feel good about being the sharpest knife in the drawer... still a dull knife, and i know people like achievements and recognition. it's just not my thing. like i said, i know everyone disagrees with me. so don't worry trying to tell me i'm wrong. i already know you think i am. __________________________________________________

October 23rd, 2012, 05:07 PM	#17
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	"informal award"... does this have to do with man-soup and darren's sleeping arrangements? __________________________________________________

October 23rd, 2012, 03:11 PM	#3
sierrahotel CVMA #92 Name: Bryan Location: socal Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): harleys Posts: 242	I believe you are the top Am regardless of accounting method. I don't actually understand what the options are. Leave it the way what is?

October 23rd, 2012, 03:23 PM	#6
sierrahotel CVMA #92 Name: Bryan Location: socal Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): harleys Posts: 242	Oh I see. as in: scored with the weighted point reward based on overall position vs scored with a separate weighted point reward based on finishing position out of amateurs. Damn, I think I might have a first in the AM system. Therefore we gotta stick with overall scores. Forever 5th.

October 23rd, 2012, 04:56 PM	#13
Zombiphone CVMA/AFM #72 Name: Tiffani Location: Los Angeles, Ca Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Racebike), 2015 FZ-07(Tourer), 2001 KX65(LOL bike) Posts: A lot.	Alex, in his completely incomprehensible way is trying to say "I disagree with separating and awarding the best Amateur on the basis that that makes me feel like I'm running in the special olympics. There should be only one winner within the class regardless of their expert or amateur status" Was that so hard?

October 23rd, 2012, 05:06 PM	#15
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	Regardless of CVMA's awards, I'm all for the experts (and hong/cheeks) giving an informal award to "bottom-feeder of the year" for the 250 amateurs

October 23rd, 2012, 05:20 PM	#22
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	you can make it public so you can see who voted for what, then just ignore the people who aren't cvma racers __________________________________________________

October 23rd, 2012, 05:32 PM	#27
Zombiphone CVMA/AFM #72 Name: Tiffani Location: Los Angeles, Ca Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Racebike), 2015 FZ-07(Tourer), 2001 KX65(LOL bike) Posts: A lot.	Cvma brings out the sandbagger in everyone? Posted via Mobile Device

October 23rd, 2012, 05:48 PM	#28
cynicalkit la pussy gata Name: kit Location: xx Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): big wheel Posts: 540	Whatever makes things easiest I am game for. Either way changes the results a lot.

October 23rd, 2012, 06:26 PM	#29
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	Did Tiffany win yet? __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

October 24th, 2012, 05:45 AM	#30
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Okay, poll is up. Thanks to Alex. __________________________________________________

October 25th, 2012, 05:22 PM	#34
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	Rubbing is racing right? __________________________________________________

October 25th, 2012, 05:33 PM	#36
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	Code: 250SS.1 250SS.2 250SS.3 250SS.4 250SS.5 AM/EX Separate Dean/191 Kit/119 John/115 Tiff/106 Elaine/102 AM/EX Combined Dean/88 John/63 Elaine/55 Kit/55 Tiff/47 Code: ULWS.1 ULWS.2 ULWS.3 ULWS .4 ULWS.5 AM/EX Separate Elaine/110 Dean/90 Tiff/79 Kit/70 Pen/61 AM/EX Combined Elaine/58 Dean/49 Tiff/45 Kit/41 Pen/34 Either way, its the same for me but that can't be said about the others. I think to be fair, flip a coin. Can we add a "flip a coin" option to the poll? __________________________________________________ CVMA #55

October 25th, 2012, 05:39 PM	#37
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	So, do you have 250SS locked in Dean? __________________________________________________

October 25th, 2012, 07:54 PM	#38
Shawn3210 CVMA #666 Name: Shawn Location: Long Beach, CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 (race), 2009 250r (race) Posts: 267 Blog Entries: 1	I no win nothing but sure it would be nice. Have our own lil thing....would be fun to do.

October 26th, 2012, 08:57 AM	#39
cynicalkit la pussy gata Name: kit Location: xx Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): big wheel Posts: 540	okay I voted separate cuz that makes me 2nd. Duh!! Yes i'm biased. Based on the fact that if we were going to get kudos anyways, it would be scored separately just like all the other classes are. Ex. Am FTwins isnt combined scored with expert FTwins in points. But seriously even just hanging out with a group celebratory "yay for everyone" would be fine with me too.

October 26th, 2012, 09:00 AM	#40
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	All you CVMA 250 racers (Shane's vote doesn't count..haha) hurry up & vote! __________________________________________________

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