Electrical problems?

ozmani · March 5th, 2013, 02:39 AM

I bought a ninja 250 2010 as my first bike and have had it for a month now with absolutely no problems

The bike now backfires from cold starts and after 2 min of riding the headlight starts to flicker. When the bike is in neutral at a light the green N starts to flicker as well and the bike doesn't seem to want to change to 1st I push down and it just goes back up into neutral I have to roll forward a little and push it in to get it to change. The click feeling of being pushed into1st is no longer there as well it just kinda slips into it no sound or feedback that its been changed.

when I turn the bike on even if I let it idle for 5min and changing from N to 1st it all feels and looks normal it's just after I get it moving that it starts playing up.

It's last "full" service was done 500km ago and battery is giving proper readings.

Anyone else have this issue or know how I can fix it?

S1att3r · March 5th, 2013, 05:50 AM

Welcome I don't know about your other problems but having to roll the bike to get it in first from neutral or even second gear is normal. My bike is new and it does it all the time just something to get used to.

Motofool · March 5th, 2013, 06:59 AM

Welcome to the site, Oz !!!

Check oil level and condition (take a sample, pinch a drop and see how much you can pull your fingers apart without the film breaking, also smell it).

Readings on the battery should be taken under load in order to demonstrate condition.

DaBlue1 · March 5th, 2013, 09:33 AM

Even though your battery maybe showing proper voltage, check your terminals for tightness. Loose terminals can cause the lights to flicker.
http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Battery

Check your adjustment on your check lever to make sure the clutch is fully disengaging. You may also want to use a little engine braking when slowing (under 15 mph). This will help going from N-1st. My guess is you are probably coasting a bit either with the clutch pulled in or in neutral, then trying to put the bike in first while stopped.

Also make sure your idle speed is set properly(1300-1350) when fully warmed. You shouldn't need to let it idle more than a minute or so with the choke on.

An occasional pop or backfire on start up is normal, however if it happens often, you may want to have your carbs checked, also try not to turn the throttle too much prior to starting.

ozmani · March 5th, 2013, 10:15 AM

Thanks for the quick replies, this is the first time I have ever posted anything on a forum and Im very impressed.
Only reason Im worried is I paid $1000 AUD for my bike at a mechanics when I first got it. they were told to check the bike front to end and fix everything and all these problems popped up at the same time (it wasn't doing all those things three days ago) and I don't really have anymore money to throw at it

Seeing as its 4am right now in Sydney, Ill wait till the sun decides to rock up to do some of these checks and Ill get back.
Once again thanks.

CC Cowboy · March 5th, 2013, 10:20 AM

That bike is possessed. I've seen it before and the only solution is burn the bike at the stake (or was that burn it by mistake). Anyway, be very careful. The bike has a mind of it's own.

ozmani · March 5th, 2013, 11:20 AM

And here I was thinking it might be electrical silly me.
Do I need holy water as well or can I just throw a lighter at it?

Motofool · March 5th, 2013, 11:56 AM

This is the golden rule of thumb:

If it cannot solved with a hammer, it is an electrical problem.

alex.s · March 5th, 2013, 12:25 PM

does that rule work with women too?

DaBlue1 · March 5th, 2013, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

does that rule work with women too?

That depends whether she likes being hammered or not. Some don't like all that dickering around and prefer just a shot of peniscillin to cure the problem quickly.

alex.s · March 5th, 2013, 01:13 PM

i guess it makes sense, if it can't be hammered, its an electrical problem. just replace the vibrator batteries.

Motofool · March 5th, 2013, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmani

..........Seeing as its 4am right now in Sydney, Ill wait till the sun decides to rock up to do some of these checks and Ill get back.
Once again thanks.

Any updates, Ozmani?

You are welcome

Mechanical or electrical problem?

ozmani · March 6th, 2013, 02:37 AM

Yeah just got back from uni was very worried decided to take it apart in the parking lot.
removed all the fuses they (had this white powder forming on them) cleaned them off unscrewed the battery cleaned the connections and put it back together, rode it back home for 1hr straight with no flickering or any neutral locking issues don't know exactly if it was the battery connections or fuses but I'm glad its up and running like usual again.
Excited to be back on the road with my bike working properly hopefully it stays that way

Z300 · March 6th, 2013, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmani

Thanks for the quick replies, this is the first time I have ever posted anything on a forum and Im very impressed.
Only reason Im worried is I paid $1000 AUD for my bike at a mechanics when I first got it. they were told to check the bike front to end and fix everything and all these problems popped up at the same time (it wasn't doing all those things three days ago) and I don't really have anymore money to throw at it

Seeing as its 4am right now in Sydney, Ill wait till the sun decides to rock up to do some of these checks and Ill get back.
Once again thanks.

1000? really where from?

Motofool · March 6th, 2013, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozmani

.........removed all the fuses they (had this white powder forming on them) cleaned them off unscrewed the battery cleaned the connections and put it back together, rode it back home for 1hr straight with no flickering or any neutral locking issues don't know exactly if it was the battery connections or fuses.......

Rather than a hammer, you will need this:

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/onl...d=299674#Cross

ozmani · March 6th, 2013, 06:12 PM

A place in Marricville 64-70 sydenham RD its really close to the train station they also repaint. did the whole bike and upgraded my fork oil and replaced my seals as well. if you end up going just tell her a guy with a lime green 2010 ninja referred me and told me you were cheap. sent a mate told him to say the same thing and they replaced his oil, brake fluid and sliders for $300 (it can't hurt).
They were actually $270 cheaper than the next lowest quote I got $750 for service including new front Tyre, air filter and brake pads. $200 for front suspension upgrade.

ozmani · March 6th, 2013, 06:26 PM

Thanks for the link motofool, I couldn't find my hammer

Bought the 3 in 1 contact cleaner it worked really well. Absolutely flew through the can tho.
I think its having a placebo effect my ride feels crazy smooth

March 5th, 2013, 02:39 AM	#1
ozmani ninjette.org newbie Name: oz Location: sydney Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250r 2010 Posts: 6	Electrical problems? I bought a ninja 250 2010 as my first bike and have had it for a month now with absolutely no problems The bike now backfires from cold starts and after 2 min of riding the headlight starts to flicker. When the bike is in neutral at a light the green N starts to flicker as well and the bike doesn't seem to want to change to 1st I push down and it just goes back up into neutral I have to roll forward a little and push it in to get it to change. The click feeling of being pushed into1st is no longer there as well it just kinda slips into it no sound or feedback that its been changed. when I turn the bike on even if I let it idle for 5min and changing from N to 1st it all feels and looks normal it's just after I get it moving that it starts playing up. It's last "full" service was done 500km ago and battery is giving proper readings. Anyone else have this issue or know how I can fix it?

March 5th, 2013, 05:50 AM	#2
S1att3r ninjette.org member Name: Raygan Location: North East Texas Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): White 2013 Ninja 300(Storm), Silver 2003 Fjr1300 Posts: 173	Welcome I don't know about your other problems but having to roll the bike to get it in first from neutral or even second gear is normal. My bike is new and it does it all the time just something to get used to. __________________________________________________ ATGATT For all I know, women who ride motorcycles are all man-hating dominatrix's. It was like a mild panic attack!

March 5th, 2013, 06:59 AM	#3
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	Welcome to the site, Oz !!! Check oil level and condition (take a sample, pinch a drop and see how much you can pull your fingers apart without the film breaking, also smell it). Readings on the battery should be taken under load in order to demonstrate condition. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

March 5th, 2013, 10:20 AM	#6
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	That bike is possessed. I've seen it before and the only solution is burn the bike at the stake (or was that burn it by mistake). Anyway, be very careful. The bike has a mind of it's own. __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

March 5th, 2013, 11:56 AM	#8
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	This is the golden rule of thumb: If it cannot solved with a hammer, it is an electrical problem. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

March 5th, 2013, 09:33 AM	#4
DaBlue1 Long Time Rider Name: Blue Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Even though your battery maybe showing proper voltage, check your terminals for tightness. Loose terminals can cause the lights to flicker. http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Battery Check your adjustment on your check lever to make sure the clutch is fully disengaging. You may also want to use a little engine braking when slowing (under 15 mph). This will help going from N-1st. My guess is you are probably coasting a bit either with the clutch pulled in or in neutral, then trying to put the bike in first while stopped. Also make sure your idle speed is set properly(1300-1350) when fully warmed. You shouldn't need to let it idle more than a minute or so with the choke on. An occasional pop or backfire on start up is normal, however if it happens often, you may want to have your carbs checked, also try not to turn the throttle too much prior to starting.

March 5th, 2013, 10:15 AM	#5
ozmani ninjette.org newbie Name: oz Location: sydney Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250r 2010 Posts: 6	Thanks for the quick replies, this is the first time I have ever posted anything on a forum and Im very impressed. Only reason Im worried is I paid $1000 AUD for my bike at a mechanics when I first got it. they were told to check the bike front to end and fix everything and all these problems popped up at the same time (it wasn't doing all those things three days ago) and I don't really have anymore money to throw at it Seeing as its 4am right now in Sydney, Ill wait till the sun decides to rock up to do some of these checks and Ill get back. Once again thanks.

March 5th, 2013, 11:20 AM	#7
ozmani ninjette.org newbie Name: oz Location: sydney Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250r 2010 Posts: 6	And here I was thinking it might be electrical silly me. Do I need holy water as well or can I just throw a lighter at it?

March 5th, 2013, 12:25 PM	#9
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	does that rule work with women too? __________________________________________________
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

March 5th, 2013, 01:13 PM	#11
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i guess it makes sense, if it can't be hammered, its an electrical problem. just replace the vibrator batteries. __________________________________________________
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

March 6th, 2013, 02:37 AM	#13
ozmani ninjette.org newbie Name: oz Location: sydney Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250r 2010 Posts: 6	Yeah just got back from uni was very worried decided to take it apart in the parking lot. removed all the fuses they (had this white powder forming on them) cleaned them off unscrewed the battery cleaned the connections and put it back together, rode it back home for 1hr straight with no flickering or any neutral locking issues don't know exactly if it was the battery connections or fuses but I'm glad its up and running like usual again. Excited to be back on the road with my bike working properly hopefully it stays that way

March 6th, 2013, 06:12 PM	#16
ozmani ninjette.org newbie Name: oz Location: sydney Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250r 2010 Posts: 6	A place in Marricville 64-70 sydenham RD its really close to the train station they also repaint. did the whole bike and upgraded my fork oil and replaced my seals as well. if you end up going just tell her a guy with a lime green 2010 ninja referred me and told me you were cheap. sent a mate told him to say the same thing and they replaced his oil, brake fluid and sliders for $300 (it can't hurt). They were actually $270 cheaper than the next lowest quote I got $750 for service including new front Tyre, air filter and brake pads. $200 for front suspension upgrade.

March 6th, 2013, 06:26 PM	#17
ozmani ninjette.org newbie Name: oz Location: sydney Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250r 2010 Posts: 6	Thanks for the link motofool, I couldn't find my hammer Bought the 3 in 1 contact cleaner it worked really well. Absolutely flew through the can tho. I think its having a placebo effect my ride feels crazy smooth

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