"look twice" Motorcycle safety awareness commercial

[subxero]

saw this figured i would share.

could have been a little shorter but i think they get the point across. Similar to commercial in another thread

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Hero Danny]

I believe this was posted here before.

[subxero]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

I believe this was posted here before.

feel free to search the youtube tag like i did before posting

[akima]

Really beautiful video. I hope lots of people get to see it.

[NevadaWolf]

I agree, I've seen that before and want to say it was here. However, the vid you have, and the original aren't listed in the search.

*goes off to look*

The original, BTW, is here: http://youtu.be/_b3T7u4ZJ1Y

Search fail, ah well. All I found was the original newsbot post: https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=208914

[greg737]

that video played like an 8 minute advertisement for headlight modulators...

every single thing the biker told the kid to remember to do or to change about his driving habits was an absolute waste of time.

People drive the way they do because they're human, they just can't do any better. And they're speaking the absolute truth when they tell the police officer (who's standing over your corpse) "I didn't see him, he came out of nowhere".

It's not about how drivers should behave after they see a motorcycle, because in a lot of cases that's leaving it too late (i.e. the officer standing over your corpse).

[akima]

So much fail Greg.

Originally Posted by greg737

every single thing the biker told the kid to remember to do or to change about his driving habits was an absolute waste of time.

So the fact that the biker told the kid to acknowledge the fact that it's harder to judge the speed of a motorcycle than a car and that he should take that into consideration when pulling in front of a biker... that's a waste time of time?

Right...

Originally Posted by greg737

People drive the way they do because they're human, they just can't do any better.

Ignoring the tautology for a second (people: because: human), by your reasoning, there's no point taking the MSF, or any kind of training course... because bikers are human... and they can't do any better.

There's actually plenty of evidence to show that people who take driver training courses are more likely to be safer drivers than those who don't.

Shut-down the schools and close up the R&D centres people! We can't do any better!

Originally Posted by greg737

It's not about how drivers should behave after they see a motorcycle, because in a lot of cases that's leaving it too late (i.e. the officer standing over your corpse).

Sorry dude. It is about that. How a driver behaves before and after seeing a biker is important.

[greg737]

So the fact that the biker told the kid to acknowledge the fact that it's harder to judge the speed of a motorcycle than a car and that he should take that into consideration when pulling in front of a biker... that's a waste time of time?

Yes, that's what I meant. That part of the video was pedantic nonsense. What are you trying to say, that this kid who is obviously old enough to have been driving for several years isn't intelligent enough to judge closure rates?

And during what part of this video's setup scene did you see the kid doing anything like taking closure rates into consideration before initiating the turn? He didn't see the motorcycle at all, that's what I'm talking about: the fact that more often than today's distracted, "multitasking" drivers don't see motorcycles.

The reason they don't see motorcycles is that they're unconsciously using visual cue criteria, that exist within the human psyche at an instinctive/innate level, to evaluate for danger or threats.

Ignoring the tautology for a second (people: because: human), by your reasoning, there's no point taking the MSF, or any kind of training course... because bikers are human... and they can't do any better.

Thanks for cramming your very poorly thought out analogy into my mouth.

Sorry dude. It is about that. How a driver behaves before and after seeing a biker is important.

How can you post this response to that sentence? You quoted it then willfully ignored it so you could make a smug reply. Wow.

[subxero]

Originally Posted by greg737

Yes, that's what I meant. That part of the video was pedantic nonsense. What are you trying to say, that this kid who is obviously old enough to have been driving for several years isn't intelligent enough to judge closure rates?

And during what part of this video's setup scene did you see the kid doing anything like taking closure rates into consideration before initiating the turn? He didn't see the motorcycle at all, that's what I'm talking about: the fact that more often than today's distracted, "multitasking" drivers don't see motorcycles.

The reason they don't see motorcycles is that they're unconsciously using visual cue criteria, that exist within the human psyche at an instinctive/innate level, to evaluate for danger or threats.


Thanks for cramming your very poorly thought out analogy into my mouth.

How can you post this response to that sentence? You quoted it then willfully ignored it so you could make a smug reply. Wow.

WTF!?? Care to elaborate and or have anything to back that up?

P.S. i believe it is SUBconsciously

[akima]

Originally Posted by greg737

Yes, that's what I meant. That part of the video was pedantic nonsense. What are you trying to say, that this kid who is obviously old enough to have been driving for several years isn't intelligent enough to judge closure rates?

1. The fact he's old enough to have been driving for several years doesn't mean he has been driving for several years.
2. Who cares even if he has been driving for several years and is "intelligent enough to judge closure rates": he's an actor. The message is targeted at us: the viewer. Some of the viewers may not have been driving for more than a couple of weeks.
3. Intelligent people do make mistakes and do lack information all the time. This video has clearly been created to put some basic useful info out there for cagers so those of them that don't know or just haven't thought hard about it can be exposed to it. It's particularly nice to see that the biker in the video put it out there that you should leave extra space behind bikers.
4. If that part of the video is "nonsense" how can it also be completely obvious information that someone who has been driving for "several years" would know? Can't be both.

Originally Posted by greg737

And during what part of this video's setup scene did you see the kid doing anything like taking closure rates into consideration before initiating the turn?

LMAO. What part of the video did you see the kid doing anything like tail gating a biker?. Oh wait; he didn't do that either in the crash scene. The biker was clearly giving the driver general advice - advice that extended beyond the SMIDSY crash that the pair of them were involved in.

I was going to reply to the other stuff you wrote, but I don't think it's worth it. I don't think you're very good at critical thinking.

Please stop spreading BS.

[dcj13]

Those were my motorcycle endorsement fees that paid for that.

[Flying]

That ad could have been more concise to say the least.

Original NZ ad:

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Finesse]

^that one's much better

[dcj13]

And said in one minute!

[Finesse]

the biker dude is like 'when you're driving around bikes...'


but most people don't KNOW there are any bikes around. that's the whole problem to begin with. so... ALWAYS look twice, not only when you think there are bikes around...

[greg737]

but most people don't KNOW there are any bikes around. that's the whole problem to begin with.

Well said.

(I was trying to point out that same basic truth, but didn't do it as well)

[dcj13]

Originally Posted by Finesse

the biker dude is like 'when you're driving around bikes...'


but most people don't KNOW there are any bikes around. that's the whole problem to begin with. so... ALWAYS look twice, not only when you think there are bikes around...

And you said that without spending any of my licensing fees! Thank you.

[JohnnyBravo]

Originally Posted by dcj13

And you said that without spending any of my licensing fees! Thank you.

I for one really appreciate your motoring fees going to that video... I hope randy is ok

[akima]

Originally Posted by Finesse

the biker dude is like 'when you're driving around bikes...'


but most people don't KNOW there are any bikes around. that's the whole problem to begin with. so... ALWAYS look twice, not only when you think there are bikes around...

I haven't driven cars much at all before this winter. Since getting this car I've been so~ paranoid about hitting a biker. I almost feel like I don't trust my vision now. Before pulling out of a junction I find myself looking down the big empty road trying to spot some kind of invisible biker who I know is going to materialize the second I move out.

I never used to be like this before I got my little ninja. I pretty much didn't think about bikers on the road at all. I'm glad I got a bike, if for nothing else, so that I was made more aware of bikers. If I ended up being one of those people who pulled out in front of someone on a bike and maimed or killed them I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

[Ghostt]

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[Ghostt]

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[Ghostt]

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