September 14th, 2013, 05:36 AM | #81 |
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@n4mwd: thanks.
I try and lean with the bike and keep my spine straight. I've never seen myself doing it though, so I'm not 100% sure my body position is ok. One day I hope to get on the track and progress my skills there... and go really really fast |
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September 14th, 2013, 05:48 AM | #82 | |
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Note, however, that looking at the curved cross section, the outside edge of the road is super-elevated above the center-line. The amount of lean respect to the road is not so massive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometr...ds#Cross_slope In that type of curves, gravity helps provide some of the centripetal force needed to go around the curve; hence, there is less lateral force on the contact patches. Think of the motorcycles speeding in all directions inside a spherical cage in a circus: they can be horizontal or inverted respect to the ground, but still keep close to zero lean angle respect to the surface of the cage. If the rider simply kept in alignment with the bike, he would have been pictured at a greater angle of lean (respect to a line perpendicular to the road), while the bike would have been pictured at a smaller angle of lean.
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September 14th, 2013, 12:10 PM | #83 | |
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Your arms don't stay stiff. The inside elbow bends down and slack, the outside elbow rests on the tank, also slack and bent. It is VERY possible to hang off the bike and not give input to the bars. In fact, that's the whole idea of bending your arms and keeping them relaxed; to not give unnecessary input to the bars. Your bars/shoulders/arms are NOT a 4-bar linkage system, they have more pivots and the ability to rotate; use them fully. I know FL turns are extra hard and all () but, don't tell people that hanging off and giving input to the bars are dependent on each other. They're not connected in the sense that the BP leaves loose arms and unweighted hands in order to only apply the wanted inputs. That's all. They're not directly dependent on each other. If you lean with your arms off the bars, you'll notice very small differences in the lean/direction of the bike (assuming you don't change the weighting bias in your hips/feet to compensate). This is why we use countersteering instead of body weighting to turn a bike. |
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September 14th, 2013, 12:39 PM | #84 |
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Kiss the handlebars and relax while doing it Best results on track!!!
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September 14th, 2013, 02:02 PM | #85 | |
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The parallelogram example was to show that people who think they turn a bike by leaning alone are really countersteering without knowing it. You shouldn't have any problem finding the youtube video showing what happens when the bars are bolted rigid and the rider leans to turn.
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September 14th, 2013, 02:08 PM | #86 |
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Are you saying that a motorcycle doesn't need to lean to turn? Or are you saying that hanging off doesn't turn you? Since you're all uppity about doing things 'properly', try using the correct words to convey your thoughts.
And no, there's absolutely nothing wrong with not hanging off in a corner, there's nothing not 'proper' with that. Counter steering alone works just fine for many street riders. Lets see your perfect cornering BP... |
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September 14th, 2013, 02:29 PM | #87 | |
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But again, I'm not trying to educate anyone on how to be a track star - just how to turn a corner. I'm also saying that hanging off or leaning doesn't turn you. There are numerous detailed explanations as to why that is so. Countersteering alone will still turn the bike, but the upright posture will limit the speed of the turns before you start scraping pegs. If you are happy taking corners at car speed, you can probably ride the dragon without ever leaning into a corner. This is especially true if you have a heavy cruiser where leaning or hanging off isn't going to make that much of a difference.
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September 14th, 2013, 09:12 PM | #90 |
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September 15th, 2013, 09:13 AM | #91 |
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hanging off is not "correct". hanging off is one way of doing something. if you need to hang off, you hang off. if you need to split two cars through a corner, you don't hang off. there have been PLENTY of times on the street i needed to be thin through a corner. what do you do if you're hanging off? get your head taken out? no. you counter lean like a squid and look weird becuase it was "incorrect", and yet it was exactly what needed to happen. in the situation, you do what is correct. balls deep into a corner? maybe hanging off is correct. maybe hooking is correct. maybe a pick up wide early and dropping it back down is correct. situations change. street is vastly more complicated situations than track. you cannot say that hanging off is correct every time on the street because it simply is not always the case.
arms however, should never be tight. use those back muscles
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September 15th, 2013, 10:17 AM | #93 |
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sex is a great workout. other than that not specifically for my back. but i normally ride quite a lot. and riding is a good enough work out.
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September 15th, 2013, 08:11 PM | #95 | |
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Focus on the direction of this bike, ............... only !!!
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^^ She's moving relatively slowly. That's why the weight shift has more effect.
The effect of the body weight shifting is still tiny compared to the effect of countersteering. |
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September 15th, 2013, 08:24 PM | #97 | |
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The effect is higher for slower speeds and vice-verse. ....and yes, we have some hard turns here in FL !!!, .........where do you think we crash???
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September 15th, 2013, 08:47 PM | #98 |
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Traffic circles and entrance ramps.
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September 16th, 2013, 05:09 AM | #99 |
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The point being ---- You said that FL has no curves. The video proves otherwise.
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September 17th, 2013, 10:40 AM | #102 |
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How about this no hands twisty ride?
70mph and no bar inputs to turn
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dude, that's not twisty...
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September 17th, 2013, 03:36 PM | #104 |
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I have to say I really loved the cup holder. I want one.
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Here is a good explanation of countersteering and the myth of body steering.
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