Propylene Glycol

Ralgha · August 26th, 2015, 09:37 PM

Any downsides to replacing my coolant with propylene glycol (after flushing)? I'm a fan of non-toxic stuff and would like to get rid of the ethylene glycol that comes stock.

MrAtom · August 26th, 2015, 09:41 PM

Considering i'm vaporizing propylene glycol and inhaling it right now, something tells me it doesn't do as well as ethylene glycol in terms of heat.

Devita818 · August 26th, 2015, 09:49 PM

LOL ummmmm yeah what he said

choneofakind · August 27th, 2015, 04:18 AM

Congrats mratom, you're breathing coolant. It's just as bad, if not worse for you than traditional tobacco because it's unregulated and you have not idea what's in it.

It does just fine as coolant. I assume we're talking about Engine Ice here? Works great. I've run that for track days since regular green coolant isn't allowed, and I'm not about to run straight water since my bike does experience near freezing temps in our unheated garage.

Ralgha · August 27th, 2015, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MrAtom

Considering i'm vaporizing propylene glycol and inhaling it right now, something tells me it doesn't do as well as ethylene glycol in terms of heat.

The boiling points of ethylene glycol (EG) and propylene glycol (PG) are both right around 370°F, so that's not an issue. I'd get off the stuff though, yeah it's food safe, for whatever that's worth, but it's used as deicing fluid on airplanes, and, of course, as engine coolant. A little bit won't hurt you, but repeated ingestion would worry me. Bees love it... I wonder if that's causing our bee problems? Probably not...

PG has a higher freezing point, which won't matter where I'm at, but it also has a lower heat transfer and higher viscosity. Those are the two properties I'm wondering about, do they really matter?

Seems OK since chone is using it.

ForceofWill · August 27th, 2015, 07:40 AM

Running engine ice in my RSV as well.

choneofakind · August 27th, 2015, 08:28 AM

Can't tell you much about its claims of working better than green coolant, but I know it works just fine. Get the half gallon container and you'll be just fine for the whole system with some to spare.

MrAtom · August 27th, 2015, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Congrats mratom, you're breathing coolant. It's just as bad, if not worse for you than traditional tobacco because it's unregulated and you have not idea what's in it.

Sorry, could you come off your high horse? I can't hear you from down here.

dcj13 · August 27th, 2015, 07:14 PM

I prefer ethylene glycol. Not environmentally friendly, though.

In these parts, many of us use tap water for radiators and batteries.
Bummer about other parts of the world.

alex.s · August 27th, 2015, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Congrats mratom, you're breathing coolant. It's just as bad, if not worse for you than traditional tobacco because it's unregulated and you have not idea what's in it.

according to the UK health studies dept its actually 95% less harmful than traditional burnt tobacco.

MrAtom · August 27th, 2015, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

according to the UK health studies dept its actually 95% less harmful than traditional burnt tobacco.

fwiw it does make formaldehyde if you're one of those .0000001 ohm people who cook the living **** out of your juice, but even then it only makes the same amount of formaldehyde as a normal cigarette, and formaldehyde is only one of several carcinogens, so even then it's better.

alex.s · August 27th, 2015, 07:48 PM

nicotine is still in most of it and causes cancer. so you'll probably still get cancer. but maybe not emphysema

MrAtom · August 27th, 2015, 07:55 PM

Just cause e juice has that prop 65 California warning saying nicotine causes cancer doesn't mean it causes cancer. Look it up, yo. I mean, no matter anyway. I'm making the switch to 0mg juice with my next bottle. Should be off the stuff soon enough :-)

Bob2010 · August 27th, 2015, 11:05 PM

I was wondering how many posts until we start discussing vape

choneofakind · August 28th, 2015, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MrAtom

Sorry, could you come off your high horse? I can't hear you from down here.

Nah. You're still breathing coolant like a goof. I know tons of guys who smoke and I've spent plenty of time in the smoke shack for news updates/social time, which means I've gotten more than my share of nicotine buzz and second hand smoke in the last year. I still think it's a terrible habit.

So no, no I won't get off my horse. It's comfortable and has a great view.

August 26th, 2015, 09:37 PM	#1
Ralgha ninjette.org sage Name: Kevin Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Oct 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R, Tiger 800 XRT Posts: 828	Propylene Glycol Any downsides to replacing my coolant with propylene glycol (after flushing)? I'm a fan of non-toxic stuff and would like to get rid of the ethylene glycol that comes stock.

August 26th, 2015, 09:41 PM	#2
MrAtom . Name: . Location: . Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot. MOTM - July '15	Considering i'm vaporizing propylene glycol and inhaling it right now, something tells me it doesn't do as well as ethylene glycol in terms of heat.
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August 27th, 2015, 04:18 AM	#4
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Congrats mratom, you're breathing coolant. It's just as bad, if not worse for you than traditional tobacco because it's unregulated and you have not idea what's in it. It does just fine as coolant. I assume we're talking about Engine Ice here? Works great. I've run that for track days since regular green coolant isn't allowed, and I'm not about to run straight water since my bike does experience near freezing temps in our unheated garage.
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

August 27th, 2015, 07:48 PM	#12
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	nicotine is still in most of it and causes cancer. so you'll probably still get cancer. but maybe not emphysema __________________________________________________

August 27th, 2015, 11:05 PM	#14
Bob2010 ninjette.org sage Name: Bob Location: NY Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 730	I was wondering how many posts until we start discussing vape __________________________________________________ 2010 Red Ninja 250 2009 Black Ninja 250 -If you ride like lightning,you're gonna crash like thunder-

August 26th, 2015, 09:49 PM	#3
Devita818 ninjette.org member Name: Eli Location: Humboldt Ca Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250 Posts: 48	LOL ummmmm yeah what he said

August 27th, 2015, 07:40 AM	#6
ForceofWill Blind 250 Loving Whore Name: Tom Location: Chesapeake, VA Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R, 02 FZ1, '20 Fat Bob 114 Posts: A lot.	Running engine ice in my RSV as well.

August 27th, 2015, 08:28 AM	#7
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Can't tell you much about its claims of working better than green coolant, but I know it works just fine. Get the half gallon container and you'll be just fine for the whole system with some to spare.

August 27th, 2015, 07:14 PM	#9
dcj13 Participant Name: Dave Location: South of Seattle Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): '94 K75 std Posts: Too much. MOTM - Aug '15	I prefer ethylene glycol. Not environmentally friendly, though. In these parts, many of us use tap water for radiators and batteries. Bummer about other parts of the world.

August 27th, 2015, 07:55 PM	#13
MrAtom . Name: . Location: . Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot. MOTM - July '15	Just cause e juice has that prop 65 California warning saying nicotine causes cancer doesn't mean it causes cancer. Look it up, yo. I mean, no matter anyway. I'm making the switch to 0mg juice with my next bottle. Should be off the stuff soon enough :-)