SoCal: Angeles Crest 06/23/2013

warning · June 19th, 2013, 09:30 AM

I'll be riding ACH Sunday morning. I'll be at the Shell gas station on the Angeles Crest Hwy exit from the 210 by 8AM. Let me know if you want to join or post up if you have any questions.

dave42 · June 19th, 2013, 09:25 PM

Damn, homie, between now and the first weekend of July I'm gonna be all booked (tied up with work til the end of the month then going to Lee Parks' class in July). Will have to catch up later

warning · June 19th, 2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dave42

Damn, homie, between now and the first weekend of July I'm gonna be all booked (tied up with work til the end of the month then going to Lee Parks' class in July). Will have to catch up later

That's cool. Just post up when you have the time.

Driddle · June 19th, 2013, 10:41 PM

How hard of a ride is the crest? (Keeping in mind I'm a new rider)

AlfredoGonzalez · June 20th, 2013, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Driddle

How hard of a ride is the crest? (Keeping in mind I'm a new rider)

It's a really easy ride, one of the more forgiving canyon's i've seen. Just be careful with your turns and you should be fine.

warning · June 20th, 2013, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Driddle

How hard of a ride is the crest? (Keeping in mind I'm a new rider)

Not hard. Just take it easy and have fun.

AlfredoGonzalez · June 21st, 2013, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by warning

Not hard. Just take it easy and have fun.

Be careful on your way back. There's a spot just after the "turn headlights on next 7 miles" sign that's apparently well known for crashing at.

2 riders went down there out of my group just yesterday.

warning · June 21st, 2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AlfredoGonzalez

Be careful on your way back. There's a spot just after the "turn headlights on next 7 miles" sign that's apparently well known for crashing at.

2 riders went down there out of my group just yesterday.

Damn, are they okay?

AlfredoGonzalez · June 22nd, 2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by warning

Damn, are they okay?

Woops, it was 3 riders that went down.

well, 4 if you count me, I went down too but mine was really minor.

2 of the 3 are fine, minor scrapes... the third one, he's messed up. His bike is totaled probably and he's in pasadena still at the hospital being treated for....

3 broken ribs,
1 collapsed lung,
1 shattered wrist.

Gonna make a full recovery but still it's some pretty bad injuries.

AlfredoGonzalez · June 22nd, 2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by warning

Damn, are they okay?

Taken from my friends helmet cam. I was way in front, and went down around the turn.

guy in the black is the one with the bad injuries.

Link to original page on YouTube.

warning · June 22nd, 2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AlfredoGonzalez

Taken from my friends helmet cam. I was way in front, and went down around the turn.

guy in the black is the one with the bad injuries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Voq6pkcVJJw

Damn, that looks bad. Best wishes to your buddy. I hope he heals quick and the others with minor injuries.

From the video, I'm not sure what happened. It looks like they made it through the turn and something happened while straightening? From looking at the dirt trail, maybe went wide? And the other couldn't avoid so he broke and laid it down too?

RandomPhantom · June 22nd, 2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by warning

Damn, that looks bad. Best wishes to your buddy. I hope he heals quick and the others with minor injuries.

From the video, I'm not sure what happened. It looks like they made it through the turn and something happened while straightening? From looking at the dirt trail, maybe went wide? And the other couldn't avoid so he broke and laid it down too?

I am the rider of the red ninja behind the black/grey R6. From my POV and from observing the video numerous times the R6 exited the turn a bit wide from the videos POV. From my POV i just saw him straighten up his bike and at that point i realized he is going straight into the wall with no turn space wat so ever. I couldnt avoid it no matter how u look at it. From a play and pause POV for the video i was just way to close behind him to even have any reaction time the second he impacted the wall. I couldnt turn left anymore as i was already pretty leaned. If i straightened up i risk hitting him and running into the wall. I ended low siding instead. For my story of why i crashed I was just too close behind him and didint give myself any space. Any feedback on this entire incident is much appreciated.

AlfredoGonzalez · June 22nd, 2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomPhantom

I am the rider of the red ninja behind the black/grey R6. From my POV and from observing the video numerous times the R6 exited the turn a bit wide from the videos POV. From my POV i just saw him straighten up his bike and at that point i realized he is going straight into the wall with no turn space wat so ever. I couldnt avoid it no matter how u look at it. From a play and pause POV for the video i was just way to close behind him to even have any reaction time the second he impacted the wall. I couldnt turn left anymore as i was already pretty leaned. If i straightened up i risk hitting him and running into the wall. I ended low siding instead. For my story of why i crashed I was just too close behind him and didint give myself any space. Any feedback on this entire incident is much appreciated.

What Kevin told me when I asked was that his tire just started slipping out, he tried to right the bike but was already headed into the wall.

My guess is similar warnings idea, he took the turn just a tad too wide and maybe hit the paint or a small dirt patch and that made his tire start to slip.

As for Anthony, you can hear him crash, the "crunch" just before the camera riders head is turned is him hitting the rock wall. He locked his rear tire and skid into the dirt, then slid right into the wall. Unfortunately he panic braked instead of swerving.

RandomPhantom · June 22nd, 2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AlfredoGonzalez

What Kevin told me when I asked was that his tire just started slipping out, he tried to right the bike but was already headed into the wall.

My guess is similar warnings idea, he took the turn just a tad too wide and maybe hit the paint or a small dirt patch and that made his tire start to slip.

As for Anthony, you can hear him crash, the "crunch" just before the camera riders head is turned is him hitting the rock wall. He locked his rear tire and skid into the dirt, then slid right into the wall. Unfortunately he panic braked instead of swerving.

I figured as much on anthony's side. And as for kevin really unfortunate. And thank you for visiting him Alfredo. I hope he still didnt sound too bummed out about his bike i told him not to worry about useless stuff like that. Hope he is looking better and doing better as i couldnt see him today.

AlfredoGonzalez · June 22nd, 2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomPhantom

I figured as much on anthony's side. And as for kevin really unfortunate. And thank you for visiting him Alfredo. I hope he still didnt sound too bummed out about his bike i told him not to worry about useless stuff like that. Hope he is looking better and doing better as i couldnt see him today.

I haven't gone by yet. I tried napping so I could have the energy to visit but people kept waking me up every hour so my sleep has been really spotty.

I'm gearing up to head over soon.

Havok · June 22nd, 2013, 07:07 PM

You guys spilled oil all over road there is a FB post warning about the oil.. Make no mistake ACH is no joke. As soon as you think you think you know it it will bite you in the ass. The worst turn is squids leap and the carousel. If you are new to canyons this should not be yiur first.

I hope your friend is ok

RandomPhantom · June 22nd, 2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AlfredoGonzalez

I haven't gone by yet. I tried napping so I could have the energy to visit but people kept waking me up every hour so my sleep has been really spotty.

I'm gearing up to head over soon.

give him my best wishes and tell him sorry i cant visit

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Originally Posted by Havok

You guys spilled oil all over road there is a FB post warning about the oil.. Make no mistake ACH is no joke. As soon as you think you think you know it it will bite you in the ass. The worst turn is squids leap and the carousel. If you are new to canyons this should not be yiur first.

I hope your friend is ok

thank you for the concern man and yeah i we sure made a mess out there. Hope all other riders out there are safe as well

AlfredoGonzalez · June 23rd, 2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Havok

You guys spilled oil all over road there is a FB post warning about the oil.. Make no mistake ACH is no joke. As soon as you think you think you know it it will bite you in the ass. The worst turn is squids leap and the carousel. If you are new to canyons this should not be yiur first.

I hope your friend is ok

That was gas, not oil. The tank was punctured and leaked a bit.

He's doing a lot better now. The updated list of injuries is...

Left arm, broken radius and ulna bones...
Right arm, broken wrist
Back, right side lower 3 ribs broken (that caused a)
Collapsed right lung
Scrapes on his right leg.

Expected to make a full recovery. Honestly, I think he's more hurt over his bike being so damaged.

AlfredoGonzalez · June 23rd, 2013, 07:13 AM

Second cam, from the guy in the very front... I think it's @alanmv567

I am just behind him. I made a little booboo when trying to u-turn. Didn't wait for the road w/ full asphalt, tried to turn where there was dirt and lost control. You can see me picking my bike back up as he returns to the scene of the crash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=NrzY2ycO5nk

TheTraveler · June 23rd, 2013, 11:35 AM

Just read this threat, or I would have joined you earlier this morning. I think after 5 months of riding, and a few canyon runs, I'm ready for ACH.

I hope the rider in the crash is OK. Good to hear he will make full recovery. The wrecked R6 should be the least of his concerns.

TheTraveler · June 23rd, 2013, 11:38 AM

Also, his helmet fell off????? Did he have the straps secured?

warning · June 23rd, 2013, 11:54 AM

Well I just got back from the ride. I got to the Shell at 8AM and waited till 9:30 but no one showed up. Maybe the video scared the **** out of some people. LOL

I went up ACH, made a left on Angeles Forest Hwy, then right on Upper Big Tujunga, then made a right to go back to ACH then another right on Angeles Forest Hwy, right on upper big T, then made a left on ACH to Newcomps. I took a quick piss and went back down ACH then to the freeway home.

It was a good ride, I saw a few cops but they were on the lower part of ACH. The word at Shell station was that there was oil spill up ACH, thus my going around and taking AFH to Upper Big T.

warning · June 23rd, 2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RandomPhantom

I am the rider of the red ninja behind the black/grey R6. From my POV and from observing the video numerous times the R6 exited the turn a bit wide from the videos POV. From my POV i just saw him straighten up his bike and at that point i realized he is going straight into the wall with no turn space wat so ever. I couldnt avoid it no matter how u look at it. From a play and pause POV for the video i was just way to close behind him to even have any reaction time the second he impacted the wall. I couldnt turn left anymore as i was already pretty leaned. If i straightened up i risk hitting him and running into the wall. I ended low siding instead. For my story of why i crashed I was just too close behind him and didint give myself any space. Any feedback on this entire incident is much appreciated.

How long have you been riding with the dude on the R6?

RandomPhantom · June 23rd, 2013, 08:22 PM

in terms of total experience its about 2-3 months.

AlfredoGonzalez · June 23rd, 2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTraveler

Also, his helmet fell off????? Did he have the straps secured?

He told me that his helmet popped off after it took the bulk of the hit.

He had the straps put through the double D rings properl, but must have left too much slack so it could go over his chin.

warning · June 23rd, 2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomPhantom

in terms of total experience its about 2-3 months.

As stoner said to Rossi after a hard battle at Jerez, "Obviously, your ambitions outweighed your talent."

He went wide several times? Obvious case of trying to keep up when he should be at the back of the pack, riding his own pace.

How is he doing?

AlfredoGonzalez · June 23rd, 2013, 09:24 PM

Recovering and his spirits are high.

alanmv567 · August 12th, 2013, 05:55 AM

Seriously, what is up with all the people who commented on the video? Granted we should have checked on him first, but when you are in shock and never been in this situation before, who knows what the **** to do? I think one of the choices to do was to get the bike out of others harm way, didn't want to cause to more ****ing accidents with cars coming from both direction.....Plus there was enough people to check up on him and what could we do in that situation without the paramedics. I swear the people who commented...its like they been in that situation before and know exactly what to do.

June 19th, 2013, 09:30 AM	#1
warning ninjette.org member Name: warning Location: Earth Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): A lot Posts: 76	SoCal: Angeles Crest 06/23/2013 I'll be riding ACH Sunday morning. I'll be at the Shell gas station on the Angeles Crest Hwy exit from the 210 by 8AM. Let me know if you want to join or post up if you have any questions.

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June 19th, 2013, 09:25 PM	#2
dave42 ninjette.org guru Name: dave Location: Pasadena Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250, ZX6r, RSV4, Caponord Rally Posts: 267	Damn, homie, between now and the first weekend of July I'm gonna be all booked (tied up with work til the end of the month then going to Lee Parks' class in July). Will have to catch up later

June 19th, 2013, 10:41 PM	#4
Driddle ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Murrieta, California Join Date: Jun 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Posts: 288	How hard of a ride is the crest? (Keeping in mind I'm a new rider)

June 22nd, 2013, 07:07 PM	#16
Havok Internet Slut Name: Jeff Location: L.A. Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 04 FZ1, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	You guys spilled oil all over road there is a FB post warning about the oil.. Make no mistake ACH is no joke. As soon as you think you think you know it it will bite you in the ass. The worst turn is squids leap and the carousel. If you are new to canyons this should not be yiur first. I hope your friend is ok

June 23rd, 2013, 07:13 AM	#19
AlfredoGonzalez Freyho Name: Alfredo Location: Paramount, CA Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): CBR600 f4i, 2007 Kawasaki Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: 182	Second cam, from the guy in the very front... I think it's @alanmv567 I am just behind him. I made a little booboo when trying to u-turn. Didn't wait for the road w/ full asphalt, tried to turn where there was dirt and lost control. You can see me picking my bike back up as he returns to the scene of the crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=NrzY2ycO5nk

June 23rd, 2013, 11:35 AM	#20
TheTraveler ninjette.org member Name: Kevin Location: Diamond Bar, CA Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 SE (Red/Black) Posts: 33	Just read this threat, or I would have joined you earlier this morning. I think after 5 months of riding, and a few canyon runs, I'm ready for ACH. I hope the rider in the crash is OK. Good to hear he will make full recovery. The wrecked R6 should be the least of his concerns.

June 23rd, 2013, 11:38 AM	#21
TheTraveler ninjette.org member Name: Kevin Location: Diamond Bar, CA Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 SE (Red/Black) Posts: 33	Also, his helmet fell off????? Did he have the straps secured?

June 23rd, 2013, 11:54 AM	#22
warning ninjette.org member Name: warning Location: Earth Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): A lot Posts: 76	Well I just got back from the ride. I got to the Shell at 8AM and waited till 9:30 but no one showed up. Maybe the video scared the **** out of some people. LOL I went up ACH, made a left on Angeles Forest Hwy, then right on Upper Big Tujunga, then made a right to go back to ACH then another right on Angeles Forest Hwy, right on upper big T, then made a left on ACH to Newcomps. I took a quick piss and went back down ACH then to the freeway home. It was a good ride, I saw a few cops but they were on the lower part of ACH. The word at Shell station was that there was oil spill up ACH, thus my going around and taking AFH to Upper Big T.

June 23rd, 2013, 08:22 PM	#24
RandomPhantom The Motorcycle Newb! Name: Tony Location: Orange County Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R (Red/SOLD), 2008 Ninja 250R (Black/SOLD), 2005 ZX6R (Black) Posts: 193	in terms of total experience its about 2-3 months.

August 12th, 2013, 05:55 AM	#28
alanmv567 ninjette.org member Name: Alan Location: Lynwood,CA Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Sold to jerrytheclown!) 2006 Yamaha FZ6 Posts: 85	Seriously, what is up with all the people who commented on the video? Granted we should have checked on him first, but when you are in shock and never been in this situation before, who knows what the ** to do? I think one of the choices to do was to get the bike out of others harm way, didn't want to cause to more **ing accidents with cars coming from both direction.....Plus there was enough people to check up on him and what could we do in that situation without the paramedics. I swear the people who commented...its like they been in that situation before and know exactly what to do.