Info on Area P Exhaust Systems for the 2013 Ninja 300

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by rusninja

Awww to bad >.< I got my hopes up for a second i think shipping my bike would be super expensive :/

Not really (depending on what you think is expensive). I think the last bike we had shipped out here from SoCal was about $400 in a crate (one-way). Over the years, we've had bikes shipped to us from all over the world for R&D. In alot of cases, it's actually really surprising how relatively cheap it is. We've also had people drive pretty darn far (several states) to drop them off. Then they fly home and when we're done with their bike, we either ship it back or they fly back out and ride it home!

[rusninja]

Idk Lmao I think thats to long of a ride especialy when i dont get vacation time and 800 bucks to ship back and forth is alot. >.>

[Somchai]

@kbryant - Kerry, as a tipp I'll show you a dyno-run from a standard Ninja 250R in Europe.

At the FI-Ninja it's no good idea to take of the snorkel and many members in a german forum put it back on again after removing it and the engine's not running as good as before.



Red means without snorkel
Blue is with the snorkel
Green is with snorkel and K&N Airfilter

I think the 250 is not that different to the 300 with FI.

[kbryant]

Well we never assume anything without thourghly testing it. I don't know what exhaust you were testing with and if it had an EC/TUV muffler, what the mapping was, if it was in closed or open loop, etc. The stock mapping on the Euro model required a lot of fuel to be removed to work properly, even with the stock exhaust. If the exhaust being tested was reasonably restrictive, there would be no advantage to increasing air intake by removing the snorkel.

The 300 is very different than the 250 and will no doubt respond differently as well to modifications; especially mapping. With a properly designed exhaust system and as importantly, properly designed mapping, there may be an advantage to removing the intake snorkel. Larger throttle bodies and intake valves, and a variety of other changes on the 300, may allow it to respond well to it being removed. But existing airbox volume may be perfectly fine without removing it. R&D will confirm this.

[gt_turbo]

kerry - any chance of a shorty exhaust model? something small and compact.

[rusninja]

@kbryant no way of spliting the cost of shipping maybe i ship there and you pay shiping back ?

[choneofakind]

Ruslan, stop failing at being a mooch. Kerry has been good to this forum, let's not be annoying.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by gt_turbo

kerry - any chance of a shorty exhaust model? something small and compact.

Yep. But we're not going to show that one just yet. Those designs are inherently loud & simply do not make power. But, there is the appeal of that style for some people. We are going to explore it during testing.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by rusninja

@kbryant no way of spliting the cost of shipping maybe i ship there and you pay shiping back ?

Never can tell.... You'd be without it for awhile. It's a two phase process - it comes in for all the final dyno testing, mapping, prototyping, fitment, final combos, sound bytes, etc. Then it can go away for awhile while we build all the tooling & fixtures based off those final prototypes. Then it has to come back again to check-fit the first production articles and make sure they match the prototypes, perform the same, fit perfectly, write all the final instructional data sheets, pictures, etc. With a "local" bike it can come & go between those two phases. With one shipped in, it has to stay put (from a practical standpoint). That process itself can be very time consuming when approaching it without compromise. And that's the only way we roll to bring you the best possible products.

[rusninja]

aww man hopefully you guys find a bike willing soon enough. Conical tips will be still be a option right? And is there anyway of getting the bolts around the can in a color like say red. >.>

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by rusninja

aww man hopefully you guys find a bike willing soon enough. Conical tips will be still be a option right? And is there anyway of getting the bolts around the can in a color like say red. >.>

I'm sure we will. Conical End Cap option - yes. Colored bolts - no.

[rusninja]

I know its a little ot but it feels like my bike runs stronger when its cold and when its hot it seems bit slower and rev happy could stock tune be kind of lean?

[eddieA6987]

Originally Posted by kbryant

From post #14 -

"Since our R&D bike at our CA facility has to be returned to KMC, if anyone in South Florida has a bike they would like to let us use for this final phase of testing, they will receive a substantial amount of product & service in return -system of their choice, FI Micro Programmer with 3 maps, Mounting Bracket, custom installation and dyno tuning. We hope to have our FI Micro Tuner within the next few weeks, then Dyno testing will begin. Testing without the FI Tuner is somewhat of a mute point, since to fully validate each combination of headpipes, rear sections, and mufflers to their given potential, we must be able to adjust A/F curves based both on rpm & throttle position"

We always prefer to provide the product to a consumer donor bike in exchange for the final testing/fitting as they get a great package in exchange. Since our final R&D is now done at our Florida location (where I am currently located), it's not quite as easy for us to simply run down to KMC in SoCal if we don't have a consumer loaner. There have been cases where we have purchased bikes in the past, to complete our R&D programs if necessary. So we'll see if we find one locally, or have one shipped in to us shortly. If not, we'll purchase one for "long term testing". Never hurts to add another bike to the stable.

I live in west palm beach with my 300 if offer still stands

[EsrTek]

Originally Posted by eddieA6987

I live in west palm beach with my 300 if offer still stands

They posted pics of a '13 w an area p on it..so I doubt they still need it.

[eddieA6987]

Originally Posted by EsrTek

They posted pics of a '13 w an area p on it..so I doubt they still need it.

I know but the post i quoted was made after those pictures where posted in which they still did not have a bike in floroda. Either way they probably have one by now

[EsrTek]

ah.. sorry

Never know, they may still need one there

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by rusninja

I know its a little ot but it feels like my bike runs stronger when its cold and when its hot it seems bit slower and rev happy could stock tune be kind of lean?

Stronger when cold is a symptom of rich. You have some reading to do on tuning.

but it's not that simple, because the FI map is also dependent on engine temp. Carbs are much easier to tune than FI. That's why so many people buy an exhaust, a PC, and some dyno time at a shop.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by eddieA6987

I live in west palm beach with my 300 if offer still stands

The offer absolutely still stands! If you would like to discuss it further, PM or contact me directly at our Florida facility - 561-233-9191.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by rusninja

I know its a little ot but it feels like my bike runs stronger when its cold and when its hot it seems bit slower and rev happy could stock tune be kind of lean?

Could be many things. Not much you can do at the moment. Once we have our FI Micro Tuner, the A/F can be adjusted and address most issues with new mapping.

[rusninja]

we wont be hearing any updates for atleast few weeks are we :[

[Alex]

I'm sure you'll be the first to hear, Ruslan.

[rusninja]

Sush @Alex I only check every few hours :P no one wants to ride with me. :[

[Jiggles]

Quick someone uninvite him from the group ride!

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Quick someone uninvite him from the group ride!

Link to original page on YouTube.

[gt_turbo]

Originally Posted by kbryant

Yep. But we're not going to show that one just yet. Those designs are inherently loud & simply do not make power. But, there is the appeal of that style for some people. We are going to explore it during testing.

awesome, definitely doesn't hurt to have more options!

[kbryant]

We've worked out a deal with eddieA6987 to utilize his bike for the final R&D testing of prototypes we have designed. Our FI management system for the 300 is in production and should be ready within the next two weeks. We will then be able to begin our A/F mapping program. Stay tuned.

[Alex]

Bueno!

[rusninja]

Yay news!

[kbryant]

We've had quite a few inquires about the FI and what will be involved with our exhaust as far as the A/F curve goes. We are really hesitant to release too much info until our R&D program is completed, confirmed, and re-confirmed. But we can tell you this, the OEM A/F curve leaves alot of room for improvement. In many aspects, the A/F curve has similarities to the carbed version. The good news is that with precisely and thourghly developed A/F maps written, overall performance and throttle response will be dramatically improved. And they will be much more precise than carbs could ever hope to be. Stay tuned.

[rusninja]

Omg @kbryant your teasing us hurry and get something out for us i'll probably be the first customer any input how much the tuner will be, Would you sell it at a set price with exhaust :O??

[gsxrninja250]

Can't wait to hear a sound clip

[rusninja]

Any updates @kbryant im getting worried we need a exhaust soon

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by rusninja

Any updates @kbryant im getting worried we need a exhaust soon

Our new FI Micro Programmers have been shipped and we should have them later this week. We've contacted Eddie to schedule his bike in for next week.

[rusninja]

Yay :]] do you think The final product can be at our doors before new years ?

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by rusninja

Yay :]] do you think The final product can be at our doors before new years ?

No sorry it won't be ready by then. First we have to finish our R&D testing, hopefully that is with Eddie's bike. Then tooling/fixtures for production. As with any of our products, we won't be releasing it until we have the best possible combinations of exhaust system design(s) and FI Mapping. We will have FI Micro Programmers and maps available next month. The OEM A/F curve is lean below 5500 rpm, then goes rich, then stabilizes while still rich with the stock exhaust. So even with the stock exhaust system, major improvements can be had with proper mapping for throttle response and overall power. Realistically, exhaust systems will be available in late January provided our R&D program goes as planned. And as we have done in the past, there will be package deals and GB's available exclusively to ninjette members upon its release

[kbryant]

Our new FI Micro Programmers are now in stock. We've scheduled Eddie's bike in later this week for fitment of the prototypes, dyno testing and FI management. We'll have it here in our Florida location for about 5 days. We have several preliminary maps already written, based on testing of the stock/oem A/F curve. These will be adjusted and fine tuned based on the production bike (Eddie's), and the many different combinations of prototypes we have to test. We'll compile the data and post information as we go along.

[choneofakind]

Very cool update Kerry.

I'm curious, do you plan to upload these fuel maps to the PC website for anyone to download or do you plan to only give the PC map out with the purchase of a system? I'm not sure how that works logistically since I have never used a PC.

Also, will these maps be applicable to all users? Like those who ride in mountains vs those who ride at sea level etc? Again, I've never used a PC before so I'm not sure how that works.

Anyway, I enjoy the reading. Thanks for the updates.

[kbryant]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Very cool update Kerry.

I'm curious, do you plan to upload these fuel maps to the PC website for anyone to download or do you plan to only give the PC map out with the purchase of a system? I'm not sure how that works logistically since I have never used a PC.

Also, will these maps be applicable to all users? Like those who ride in mountains vs those who ride at sea level etc? Again, I've never used a PC before so I'm not sure how that works.

Anyway, I enjoy the reading. Thanks for the updates.

My pleasure.

The maps will be developed and available from Area P. So when you purchase the FI Micro Programmer, map support is included. They will not be available on the Dynojet website. Our FI Micro units are manufactured by Dynojet exclusively for a company we have partnered with called "Fuelmoto", utilizing proprietary logic. The new Micro Programmers will be available exclusively from Area P and Fuelmoto only. We will have separate maps written and developed for PCV units as well. We’ve had a long-term relationship with Fuelmoto and asked for these units to be specifically developed for the Ninja 300. The unit is easy to install and utilizes OEM type connectors (plug & play). Fuelmoto is the leading expert in our industry for FI management. We have partnered with them because they have a similar technical and customer support background to Area P. Maps will be available for the OEM exhaust and of course all the different Area P configurations as well.

We’ll have an extensive map support system and warranty that will set a new industry standard (the Micro Programmer comes with a two year warranty). We will continually develop map data bases for most combinations of tune, elevation, temp and humidity. And for those who may not wish to experiment with the Tuning features included on the CD in the kit, you can simply contact us and explain what your particular bike is doing or not doing within your riding conditions and/or state-of-tune. We can then make changes to your specific map and e-mail it to you as part of our support system. Or, you can take advantage of our live “Offsite Tuning Support”. In simple terms, we can access/log onto to your computer that you have the map up on, and make adjustments in real time! This particular feature will be done through Fuelmoto and support will cover all Area P and Fuelmoto maps with purchase of the Micro Programmer. Here's a picture of the kit. Price is $249.95 We'll be releasing more info on them next week.

[choneofakind]

Very cool Kerry! Now I want a Ninja 300.

Tip of the hat for customer service like that.

[sharky nrk]

Yep, stuff like this makes a me want a new 300 even more as well.