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Old November 30th, 2012, 10:47 AM   #201
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If I wanted to go up to a 500 why wouldn't I just skip it and go for the 600 which is much more sexy. I've been reading lots of good reviews on the new 636
Two vastly different animals - Honda's new 500 and a super sport 600

Of course, on the other hand this would be closer:

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Old November 30th, 2012, 10:59 AM   #202
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I still hold with what I said originally... unless that thing is priced at or below the 300 I wouldn't touch it.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #203
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Another plus for the CBR500R is that the optional hard bags for the CB500F look like they would fit right up.



Add the optional taller windscreen and you have a 1/2 liter sport tourer.



I'd consider this bike.

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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:12 AM   #204
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I still hold with what I said originally... unless that thing is priced at or below the 300 I wouldn't touch it.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:14 AM   #205
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Why not go to a 600? This is about half the price of a new 600, that's why.

Completely different bike, too. Also much different from the Ninja 300. Considerably more power and torque vs. the 300. Also more expensive. They are not head-to-head competitors at all.

Given a choice between the two, I'd be hard pressed. I love my 08 Ninjette but I really, REALLY miss my old EX500. 500cc is a "just right" motor for me.

Here's how I see it, from the low end to the high (we won't bother with Hyosung)

CBR250 - true beginner bike. Gutless single-cylinder.

Ninja 300 - good for beginners but fun for the experienced who have nothing to prove. A decided step up from the CBR250R

CBR500R - Another big step up. Suitable for beginners who are under the illusion that 250/300 ccs aren't enough. Excellent choice as an economical all-around street bike.

Ninja 650 - Direct competitor to the CBR500R, a bit more powerful but heavier and less sporty than the CBR500R

Any 600 supersport - Huge step up from any of the above in every way -- price, power, sophistication, handling and impact on insurance. For testosterone-addled young men who think that 100+ hp equates to "beginner bike." Those of who understand that a badass bike does not make the rider a badass know better. Also good for those who actually do ride on the track.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #206
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #207
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I think the looks part looks cheap like the scooter company that made the cheap chinese 250 lmao
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #208
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it looks good indeed

i just wish someone would come out with a 400cc inline motor
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:18 AM   #209
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I think the looks part looks cheap like the scooter company that made the cheap chinese 250 lmao
Maybe it will look better with a Repsol paint job
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:24 AM   #210
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #211
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It is a bike I'd probably recommend to other less sporty riders. I've read a 8500 RPM redline and 47-53 HP. Nobody knows for sure yet. + side is the race series will bring some good parts to market perhaps? - is that it weighs 50ish lbs more than the 300 and a price jump for similar quality bits like shocks/forks.

I liked my EX500 as a beater/touring bike and the funny thing is the 300 power reminds me of that bike alot. Decent mid, not so great top end, OK but not great.

Give me a "real" sport bike with low weight, 45-50 HP and small displacement so it is tossable and high quality components and I'll buy it. Till then I'll build my own. The 300 isn't a terrible starting point, better for me than the 420+ lbs 500.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #212
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Ehh it's alright... I still don't see it being a beginners bike though.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:47 AM   #213
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Ehh it's alright... I still don't see it being a beginners bike though.
I don't think it's as scary as the 600 and it has some ponies reversed for when you really need them. I've run into situations where I'd wished my 250 had a few ponies to spare. Those a-holes won't let me merge. My poor 250 just didn't have the power to past them. Maybe that's just me being aggressive
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:49 AM   #214
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I like the looks of it. I like that it's a middle-weight sport bike that looks like it would be capable at whatever I wanted, whether that's track days, touring, or just some nice spirited back-road cruises. Hard saddle bags would be a definite plus as well.

And if the single disk brake isn't enough, I'm sure you could swap the front end from an older CBR600 F3 or CBR600RR that uses the standard forks instead of the upside down forks. Those bikes have dual disk brakes, but the same size rims as the CBR500. The classic wheels would look sweet as well.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 12:27 PM   #215
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Old November 30th, 2012, 02:27 PM   #216
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I hope you're being serious I can't seem to get into the looks of these new bikes Honda has been putting out... At least most of the world can agree that the 250 is hideous.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #217
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I think 600 is a supersports. The numbers are misleading. This is still a sports touring, more comfortable on the streets! But you could!
This is a 600cc Honda sports tourer, the 500 is the cheapest option they could get to market.

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Why not go to a 600? This is about half the price of a new 600, that's why.

Completely different bike, too. Also much different from the Ninja 300. Considerably more power and torque vs. the 300. Also more expensive. They are not head-to-head competitors at all.

Given a choice between the two, I'd be hard pressed. I love my 08 Ninjette but I really, REALLY miss my old EX500. 500cc is a "just right" motor for me.

Here's how I see it, from the low end to the high (we won't bother with Hyosung)

CBR250 - true beginner bike. Gutless single-cylinder.

Ninja 300 - good for beginners but fun for the experienced who have nothing to prove. A decided step up from the CBR250R

CBR500R - Another big step up. Suitable for beginners who are under the illusion that 250/300 ccs aren't enough. Excellent choice as an economical all-around street bike.

Ninja 650 - Direct competitor to the CBR500R, a bit more powerful but heavier and less sporty than the CBR500R

Any 600 supersport - Huge step up from any of the above in every way -- price, power, sophistication, handling and impact on insurance. For testosterone-addled young men who think that 100+ hp equates to "beginner bike." Those of who understand that a badass bike does not make the rider a badass know better. Also good for those who actually do ride on the track.
The fit & finish show that.

At the very least it should have twin discs up front, it's over the weight of a 600ss, capable of about 110-120mph (I'd guess) but it's relying on a single disc to stop it... that's asking for trouble.

Stick the SV in there with the 650 & 500, it's a bit more forward & sporty than the Ninja 650 (altho the 650 supertwin racing class is dominated by the Kwak)
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Old November 30th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #218
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If Honda brought back the styling of the 1985 Interceptor V Four 500 they would have a real winner.

Looks too much like a pregen ninja 250, at least to me
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Old November 30th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #219
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It's only about 50 pounds heavier than the Ninja 300. I don't see why it would need dual rotors. It's not a SS and it won't need to be slowed down from 130+mph. The 500 is made to be a practical sport bike. Not a race machine. I think people will be fine with their single rotor 2 piston caliper brakes. Look at us ninjette riders, we have made it just fine.
The single rotor brakes om my ninja are much more responsive than the twin rotor brakes on my vstrom. In fact the vstrom brakes would have to improve to make good flintstone brakes lol.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #221
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Looks good and sounds like a good idea buuuut.... the weight is a big downfall for me. Now I know that the market is still hurting but I was hoping Honda would design this around a aluminum frame and try to lower the weight. What I was really hoping for was a brand new inline 4 super sport 500 with low weight and moderate HP. What Honda came out with was a fi ninja 500/ gs 500. For the money I would just as well save and buy a ninja 500.

I'm not a hater, I really am impressed with Honda's 250 and the new ninja 300 but this cbr 500 idea does not impress me.
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You wouldn't have to save much to buy a Ninja 500. Since they seem to only exist in the used markets now
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Looks too much like a pregen ninja 250, at least to me
Hhhhmmm....... Maybe thats why I like it so much.
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I don't hate the pregen for what it is, but you have to admit, no bike manufacturer in their right mind would design a new bike like that.
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I don't hate the pregen for what it is, but you have to admit, no bike manufacturer in their right mind would design a new bike like that.
Maybe not right now, but wait, in 10 years or so when the 80s designs move from just looking dated to suddendly being retro, I bet they will.
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I don't hate the pregen for what it is, but you have to admit, no bike manufacturer in their right mind would design a new bike like that.
The formula for the 250cc sport bike from Kawasaki really hasn't changed. Other than the plastic, they basically did design the same bike in 2008 with a few minimal changes, like slightly different suspension (still not great) and a different head (which is harder to do valve adjustments on).

Have you ever actually seen or ridden a pre-2008 bike? As a stock package, the newgen is a little better all-rounder, but it's basically the same bike. Maybe the pregen isn't the sexiest thing out there, but it's not like you have to consider it on a sliding scale of "for what is is" to compare it to a newer 250.
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I saw the 300 in person the other day and it is really a nice worthy upgrade to the current 250, but I really think if I was in the market for a new do-it-all bike, the new 500R would get very serious consideration (and I currently own and ride a 6R).
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Maybe not right now, but wait, in 10 years or so when the 80s designs move from just looking dated to suddendly being retro, I bet they will.
You never know... But I honestly can't comment about something that far out into the future...

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The formula for the 250cc sport bike from Kawasaki really hasn't changed. Other than the plastic, they basically did design the same bike in 2008 with a few minimal changes, like slightly different suspension (still not great) and a different head (which is harder to do valve adjustments on).

Have you ever actually seen or ridden a pre-2008 bike? As a stock package, the newgen is a little better all-rounder, but it's basically the same bike. Maybe the pregen isn't the sexiest thing out there, but it's not like you have to consider it on a sliding scale of "for what is is" to compare it to a newer 250.
I'm commenting on the looks alone and nothing else. I know the new gen and the 300 are both evolutions of the pregen and not revolutionary new models, the fact still remains that the styling of the pregen is extremely dated and is not likely to find its way into new motorcycle design anytime soon. Don't hate because your time is past, accept the new...
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Yes. The styling is dated. It's not a terrible looking bike though. It's a classic-styled sport bike that grows on you when you get to know it. Like the designs of all motorcycles, cars, and bicycles, it looks better in person than in the 2 dimensions of a picture.

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Prices just released for Canada. $6,299 for the non-abs and $6,799 for the abs version. Exactly $1000 more than a comparable Ninja 300 model.
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Prices just released for Canada. $6,299 for the non-abs and $6,799 for the abs version. Exactly $1000 more than a comparable Ninja 300 model.
I'm hoping it'll be similarly priced in india... If its priced right, this could very well be my second bike.
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I think people are too concerned about how a bike looks on paper, and less about how it actually acts when you ride it. On paper my old GS500 was a turd, but IRL the thing was a blast to ride. There is always that x-factor, the smiles per mile. On paper, we shouldn't like the 250, but it is actually a blast to ride.
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It seems to me like many of you like the idea if a racy 500cc bike that can also fit well in the touring world. Let me tell you that the SV650 is exactly that and more. In June I sold my ninjette (it was a sad moment) and picked up a used Fully faired 2010 SV. Let me tell you, this bike can do it all. It has the elusive low-end grunt which is very useful for city commuters and the power and stability for long trips, not to mention its ABS braking system. It's also aggressively styled.

Behold, the fully faired SV650!
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Old December 14th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #239
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I agree the SV is awesome. I just posted mine in the for sale section but after riding today I can't imagine parting with it. Freaking love that bike. If the CBR500 appeals to you definately check out the SV650.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 08:57 PM   #240
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This thread makes me happily sigh.
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