California Considering EPA-Style Exhaust Regulation

[HKr1]

We use to get tickets back in the 70's and 80's in Cali for modded exhaust's...
Was just a fix it ticket..

[Alex]

Originally Posted by rusninja

Its a real work of art i only wished it came out this year. :[ Cheers to all the non californias that dont have to deal with the stupid laws :[

Ruslan - I'm not sure you understand the new law. The law applies to the year of the bike, not the exhaust. Any bike sold before Jan 1, 2013, is not subject to the restriction. You can put on this exhaust on your bike whether you get it this month, next month, or 3 years from now.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Alex

Ruslan - I'm not sure you understand the new law. The law applies to the year of the bike, not the exhaust. Any bike sold before Jan 1, 2013, is not subject to the restriction. You can put on this exhaust on your bike whether you get it this month, next month, or 3 years from now.

so wut ur saying is...

I need to go finance every bike I'll want in the next 6 years and bring them home right now?

Well merry christmas to me

[rusninja]

What i read was bike or exhaust need epa noise badge made after 2013 so it would be easier to fight the new ticket if made this year for something like a fix it ticket instead of fine.

[Alex]

Here's the law:

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bil...chaptered.html

SB 435, Pavley. Vehicles: pollution control devices.
(1) Existing federal regulations require a motorcycle manufactured
on and after January 1, 1983, and exhaust emission systems for those
motorcycles, to meet specified noise emissions standards and require
that a label be affixed onto the motorcycle or exhaust emission
system indicating that the motorcycle or exhaust emission system
meets the noise emissions standards.
This bill would make it a crime for a person to park, use, or
operate a motorcycle, registered in the state, that is manufactured
on and after January 1, 2013, or a motorcycle, registered in the
state, with aftermarket exhaust system equipment that is manufactured
on or after January 1, 2013, that does not have the above label, and
would make a violation of this provision punishable by a specified
fine, thereby imposing a state-mandated local program by creating a
new crime. The bill would require the person to whom a notice to
appear is issued, or against whom a complaint is filed, for the above
violation, to provide proof of correction. The bill would authorize
a court to dismiss the penalty imposed for a first violation if the
person produces proof of correction to the satisfaction of the court.

I thought it was just aimed at the motorcycle itself, but it does look like there is a second clause that is aimed at any motorcycle, with aftermarket exhaust components themselves that are manufactured after January 1st. That's unfortunate.

[lgk]

just register it out of state...

also how can they tell when it was manufactured?

do manufacturers have to stamp a plaque and rivet to the exhaust?

[Byakkotai]

The officer subjective portion?

SECTION 1. Section 27202.1
A violation of this section shall be considered a
mechanical violation and a peace officer shall not stop a motorcycle
solely on a suspicion of a violation of this section. A peace officer
shall cite a violation of this section as a secondary infraction.

Don't break any other rules of the road and/or you should be fine(d) ?

[rusninja]

Originally Posted by lgk

just register it out of state...

also how can they tell when it was manufactured?

do manufacturers have to stamp a plaque and rivet to the exhaust?

They could fine you for new law and you fight it with your proof of purchase this year

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Byakkotai

The officer subjective portion?
Don't break any other rules of the road and/or you should be fine(d) ?

Nice

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Byakkotai

The officer subjective portion?



Don't break any other rules of the road and/or you should be fine(d) ?

are you saying they can throw the book at you if they feel like it?

[lgk]

Originally Posted by rusninja

They could fine you for new law and you fight it with your proof of purchase this year

seems like a waste of court time.

[Byakkotai]

Originally Posted by lgk

are you saying they can throw the book at you if they feel like it?

When you've done something else wrong (other VCs) and they feel you have a loud pipe w/o labels. I guess we'll just have to see come new years under what circumstances invoke 27202.1.

[Jiggles]

I'm angry and happy at the same time

[Peanut_EOD]

Just as with all of Komiefornia's new and stupid laws, either follow them and stop your whining or move the f@*k out of California!

[lgk]

I think they should keep whining, and start overturning.
Otherwise they continue to lose.

[Peanut_EOD]

Originally Posted by lgk

I think they should keep whining, and start overturning.
Otherwise they continue to lose.

They won't.

[choneofakind]

@gsxrninja250 might be interested in this thread: Chris - a secondary offense means that the officer must have another reason to pull you over. However, this does not mean you can hide from this law just because it's not a primary offense.

If you have a loud exhaust and the officer wants to pull you over for it, there's many other primary infractions that will get pulled you over without much effort from the officer; non lit plate, integrated turn signals, rolled stop sign, speeding (even just a little bit), non-use of turn signal, etc etc. You'd be surprised at how many infractions we accidentally make in an average day of driving.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Peanut_EOD

They won't.

Not saying they will, or will succeed.
Just saying they need to try...

[headshrink]

As a CA resident, none of this is a surprise. You can expect to loose more and more freedoms every year, not to mention higher and higher taxes. The [other] sad thing is CA is now supposed to be the example for the other states (can't remember what the actual language was). I think that came down from obama's epa last term.

[choneofakind]

Typically I'm fine with the EPA actions. Wanna put emissions stuff on my bike, change the idle ignition angle, and block off my idle mix screws like the CA-spec bikes have? Go for it. I'm fine with that.

But when you consider how small the impact of motorcycle traffic is, it seems to me like they're working awfully hard on something that makes up such a small percentage of the problem. That doesn't make sense to me.

In my eyes, they should go after the trucking industry. Maybe I'm just ignorant/uninformed/whatever, but when I see dump trucks and semi's driving through town and spewing sh!t all over the place, (it just hangs there and makes my contacts burn my eyes) it angers me that at one point, I got a fix-it ticket from the E-check people because my aging civic failed the emissions test by 4 ppm or something like that.

It just seems like they could be chasing vehicles that would have a more substantial impact, that's all.

[gsxrninja250]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

@gsxrninja250 might be interested in this thread: Chris - a secondary offense means that the officer must have another reason to pull you over. However, this does not mean you can hide from this law just because it's not a primary offense.

If you have a loud exhaust and the officer wants to pull you over for it, there's many other primary infractions that will get pulled you over without much effort from the officer; non lit plate, integrated turn signals, rolled stop sign, speeding (even just a little bit), non-use of turn signal, etc etc. You'd be surprised at how many infractions we accidentally make in an average day of driving.

I understand the whole secondary offense thing, but when the bill first came up, they wanted it a first deg offense, and it would have been a misdamenor and would get you a point on your license. But they backed it off, they also wanted to make it where the bike has to be smogged, but that failed, so they tweaked it into a db limit. Its cause californias beach citys whined about all the "loud" bikes. So we get nailed, yet the coffee can tuners get away with a exhaust you can hear a mile down the road. Gotta love california!

[headshrink]

They have an awful lot of power for being non-elected.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by headshrink

They have an awful lot of power for being non-elected.

Only because the people let them...

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by lgk

Only because the people let them...

Well, yes and no.....

[lgk]

Originally Posted by headshrink

Well, yes and no.....

Probably more yes than no.

I see a couple of issues here...
A. there are a lot more of them voting in candidates that dont understand our position...
B. We are not making our voices heard by contacting the right people..
C. We are not being preemptive in creating legislation that prevents regulation.
D. We are not challenging the regulations at any level...
E. We do not have a lobby that is efficient in campaigning against these issues.

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by lgk

Probably more yes than no.

I see a couple of issues here...
A. there are a lot more of them voting in candidates that dont understand our position...
B. We are not making our voices heard by contacting the right people..
C. We are not being preemptive in creating legislation that prevents regulation.
D. We are not challenging the regulations at any level...
E. We do not have a lobby that is efficient in campaigning against these issues.

I agree with you in theory over reality..... but that might actually make your point.

[mustang5.0]

why does this state mess with everything i love... cars, bikes & guns