BMW tries cliff jumping...

[Alex]

... and fails painfully.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[broken neck]

Woah...

Amazing how today's camera are indestructible... Can't say the same thing for today's car...

Cliff:1 Innocent driver:0

[Live2ride]

such a waste of a great car.....

[az3200]

I hate Dbags that drive like this on public roads. What if you were coming around that turn on your bike? that's the type of things I think about when I see people driving like this. Is it wrong of me to say, good, he deserved that? well i hope he's ok and learned a lesson.


I do have to say i've never seen that camera angle before and quite like it.

[Aurodox]

Understeer...all he needed to do was brake.

[CynicalC]

Originally Posted by Aurodox

Understeer...all he needed to do was brake.

Lol that's not how that works.

[Aurodox]

Originally Posted by ;697914

Lol that's not how that works.

Oh? 100% of the time my car has under steered, slowing down has fixed the problem.

[CycleCam303]

Yeesh, scary. I've driven cars like we ride our bikes. I've seen some solid mistakes and learned a few things about canyon driving. Aside from the obvious bad things about crossing the double yellow and using the whole road, the driver showed a not so obvious flaw. Using the whole road means you can go a lot faster than just using the right lane. In turn you give yourself no run off room for errors. He botched that corner royally to begin with but if he was focused on staying in his lane the lower speed could have prevented the front from walking off the road. What sucks about under steer is you can't do much but let off the gas. It'll take the front tires a few feet to regain grip though. The problem was he just over cooked the corner and was totally screwed.

Although he maybe, a big maybe, could've saved it with some left foot braking. Stock e46 m3s have a staggered tire set up along with a large front sway bar. Smaller width tires up front with wide meat in the rear. This promotes under steer at the traction limits. In front wheel drive and 4 wheel drive cars which naturally under steer using a little braking while staying neutral on the gas will kill under steer and can even get the car to rotate. This usually causes snap oversteer in rear wheel drive cars but the m3 has quite a bit of under steer tuned into it so it might have gotten the car to bite.

[CycleCam303]

Originally Posted by Aurodox

Oh? 100% of the time my car has under steered, slowing down has fixed the problem.

Before this turns into a debate, when under steering is happening get off the gas and apply correctional steering inputs. The front tires are over loaded and can't provide more traction. Getting on the brakes overloads the tires even more. What I said about left foot braking is a technique that uses weight transfer to get the front to grip more.

[Aurodox]

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Before this turns into a debate, when under steering is happening get off the gas and apply correctional steering inputs. The front tires are over loaded and can't provide more traction. Getting on the brakes overloads the tires even more. What I said about left foot braking is a technique that uses weight transfer to get the front to grip more.

Yeah I meant light braking purely to get more weight on the front. Not slamming on the brakes. I'm no expert which is why I stick to the speed limit.

Though I used to feel the need to show off to my buddies and my car understeers like none other. The crappy thing with understeering is the car doesn't turn as sharp as you like, so the natural response is to turn the wheel more which just makes it worse. At least that's been my experience.

[CycleCam303]

Though I used to feel the need to show off to my buddies and my car understeers like none other. The crappy thing with understeering is the car doesn't turn as sharp as you like, so the natural response is to turn the wheel more which just makes it worse. At least that's been my experience.

Yup sounds like you already know a little bit. On road courses the common noob mistake is to use too much steering input. If @rojoracing53 would post his video of him and his dad driving a 370z at Laguna seca you can see that he uses a lot of steering and the front tires are howling. His dad drives with an open circuit style that doesn't stress the tires as much by using weight transfer and minimal steering. That's not to say rojo's style is wrong. It's more of an autocross/short course ideal way of driving.

I have no idea what you drive but I'll assume its a front driver. Better tires work wonders, best upgrade period, but big ass rear bars are a front drivers best friend. Unless its a crx, ee/ef civic hatch or a scion tc. Those cars rotate pretty well. I kid you not the tc shocked me when the rear end actually came around.

[rojoracing53]

That'll buff right out, at least his blinkers are still working

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Though I used to feel the need to show off to my buddies and my car understeers like none other. The crappy thing with understeering is the car doesn't turn as sharp as you like, so the natural response is to turn the wheel more which just makes it worse. At least that's been my experience.

Yup sounds like you already know a little bit. On road courses the common noob mistake is to use too much steering input. If @rojoracing53 would post his video of him and his dad driving a 370z at Laguna seca you can see that he uses a lot of steering and the front tires are howling. His dad drives with an open circuit style that doesn't stress the tires as much by using weight transfer and minimal steering. That's not to say rojo's style is wrong. It's more of an autocross/short course ideal way of driving.

I have no idea what you drive but I'll assume its a front driver. Better tires work wonders, best upgrade period, but big ass rear bars are a front drivers best friend. Unless its a crx, ee/ef civic hatch or a scion tc. Those cars rotate pretty well. I kid you not the tc shocked me when the rear end actually came around.

Fine ill work on the 370 videos this week and for your information if your tires aren't making noise or leaving black stripes your not having fun and this is true for both bikes and cars

[CycleCam303]

Anyone can hang out the front lol. Look what happened when you hung out the rear

[adouglas]

Proof that squids also drive cars.

[lgk]

The curve looked like a decreasing radius spiral.

The only way he could have made the turn successfully at speed is if he slowed down more at the beginning and applied more throttle in the middle of the curve to oversteer.

Im hoping these guys had spotters, at the beginning and end of their route. Otherwise it would be extremely dangerous.