Suspension Question...Intiminator?

esi7esi7 · February 6th, 2010, 09:19 PM

Anybody tried this? It was mentioned to me recently that they make an application for the Ninja 250

Patented Inertia Active dampening for damper rod front forks. This is the only product on the market that is smart enough to know if the wheel is trying to move or if the chassis is trying to move. We give you the best of worlds, a more stable chassis and a faster wheel response over bumps. This product will transform the front of your bike.

The Intiminator sits on top of your stock damper rod forcing the oil through high quality deflected discs found in top of the line shock absorbers. When the front tire hits a bump then the inertia of that bump opens the inertia valve instantly allowing for a faster response.
Installation is easy. Drain the fork oil, remove the spring, drop in the Intiminator, add oil then the spring and away you go.

Sold in pairs. 1 quart 5w fork oil required

http://store.ricorshocks.com/Product...039-20-1001Nin

2WheelGuy · February 6th, 2010, 09:42 PM

I have no experience with that product. I use these by Racetech:

http://www.trackdaymag.com/Articles/...and-Shock.aspx

kkim · February 6th, 2010, 11:09 PM

I use the Racetech Emulators in my dirt bikes. Great product.

2WG.. do they make gold valves for our bikes?? I thought they only made Emulators for the 250R?

2WheelGuy · February 7th, 2010, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

I use the Racetech
2WG.. do they make gold valves for our bikes?? I thought they only made Emulators for the 250R?

I'm confused aren't our bikes Ninja 250r's? Racetech does make them for the Ninja 250. I used them in both of my 250 race bikes last year and will be installing a set in my 2008 250r this week.

kkim · February 7th, 2010, 10:51 AM

Gold valves and Emulators are 2 different products. I see emulators listed for the 08+ 250Rs but they don't have the Gold valves listed for the forks.

They do make a Gold valve kit for the rear shock.

2WheelGuy · February 7th, 2010, 11:06 AM

kkim you are right. I wasn't aware that they are two different products. The box looks exactly the same. I run Racetech Gold Valve Cartridge Emulators.

kkim · February 7th, 2010, 11:26 AM

Yep, that's what I run in the dirt bikes and they make a great improvement to the stock forks. Not trying to belabor the point... I just wanted to avoid any confusion for others that may be thinking of using the product.

The ability to tune the fork stroke compression is invaluable on the basic type non- adjustable forks that come on the 250R.

randomwalk101 · February 7th, 2010, 11:32 PM

What's the diff between emulator and gold valve?
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2WheelGuy · February 8th, 2010, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

What's the diff between emulator and gold valve?
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Gold Valves are for Cartridge style forks while Gold Valve Emulators are for Damping Rod forks.

ROADandTRACK · February 11th, 2010, 05:58 PM

The Emulators emulate a shim stacked valve (sort of) which is in cart. forks. They only control compression. You will still need to modify the damping rod to get the rebound correct.

Oh, while the intimatedater seems like it will work on the comp side, they say that you need no rebound at all to gain traction which is just not right. I imagine the things could work in the right hands though.

Apex · February 12th, 2010, 04:27 PM

Hey Lisa! Glad you found your way over here from WFO.

(this is GP Fan)

How is the 250 build coming along?

NorCal_250R · March 9th, 2010, 11:47 PM

Dave Moss, from Catalyst Reaction Suspension, tuner on onthethrottle.com, for AMA teams, AFM teams etc...

HATES the Gold Valve Emulators...

he thinks they suck...he prefers dialing in the rebound with different oil weights, getting the spring rate right...and dialing in the rest with oil height etc...

BUT...

suspension is ALL personal...if you like it...race it...
try the right springs, the right oil and oil heights BEFORE you drill the hell out of your damper rods...

kkim · March 10th, 2010, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorCal_250R

Dave Moss, from Catalyst Reaction Suspension, tuner on onthethrottle.com, for AMA teams, AFM teams etc...

HATES the Gold Valve Emulators...

he thinks they suck...he prefers dialing in the rebound with different oil weights, getting the spring rate right...and dialing in the rest with oil height etc...

BUT...

suspension is ALL personal...if you like it...race it...
try the right springs, the right oil and oil heights BEFORE you drill the hell out of your damper rods...

so, how does he control the compression damping?

NorCal_250R · March 10th, 2010, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

so, how does he control the compression damping?

I will have to ask him, I am guessing that he worries more about the rebound on the stroke, as compression is handled like 80% by the springs I believe...

I know on most modern suspension systems, he hardly touches the compression needles...once he gets it good, most adjustment as the day goes on is preload and rebound...I think...I'll ask him...

ROADandTRACK · March 10th, 2010, 09:41 AM

The emulators have little to do w/ rebound. So I don't get the above statement about DM.

The GVE's are better than nothing, because w/ nothing you will get a pretty harsh ride on bumpy tracks using the comp holes. And, you can tune the GVE's somewhat.

NorCal_250R · March 10th, 2010, 08:08 PM

Can't argue with that logic...might have to buy me some...

So you are saying when I drill out my damper rods...that only destroys the compression settings? Makes sense since you don't mess with the rebound holes...

kkim · March 10th, 2010, 08:15 PM

yes, you enlarge the stock compression holes in the damper rods to render them useless so the emulator valves are then fully in charge of the compression duties of the fork. the adjustable feature of the valve then lets you fine tune the compression.

NorCal_250R · March 10th, 2010, 08:25 PM

That unit on the top of this thread says you just drop it in, no drilling, while would still give you the damper rod effect, but maybe not...

February 6th, 2010, 09:19 PM	#1
esi7esi7 212 Name: Lisa Location: Houston, TX Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 250R, 09 ZX6R Posts: 121	Suspension Question...Intiminator? Anybody tried this? It was mentioned to me recently that they make an application for the Ninja 250 Patented Inertia Active dampening for damper rod front forks. This is the only product on the market that is smart enough to know if the wheel is trying to move or if the chassis is trying to move. We give you the best of worlds, a more stable chassis and a faster wheel response over bumps. This product will transform the front of your bike. The Intiminator sits on top of your stock damper rod forcing the oil through high quality deflected discs found in top of the line shock absorbers. When the front tire hits a bump then the inertia of that bump opens the inertia valve instantly allowing for a faster response. Installation is easy. Drain the fork oil, remove the spring, drop in the Intiminator, add oil then the spring and away you go. Sold in pairs. 1 quart 5w fork oil required http://store.ricorshocks.com/Product...039-20-1001Nin __________________________________________________ Lisa www.212decals.com Custom Decals for your bike! Support a fellow racer!

February 6th, 2010, 09:42 PM	#2
2WheelGuy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Craig Location: Silicon Valley, CA USA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): '98 EX250, '02 EX250, '08 250r, '03 SV650, '98 GSXR750 '03 Hayabusa, '87 YSR50, '84 ZX900, +MORE Posts: A lot.	I have no experience with that product. I use these by Racetech: http://www.trackdaymag.com/Articles/...and-Shock.aspx __________________________________________________ CraigHarris.org Pacific Track Time CraigsWeb See you at 2014 MotoGP Laguna Seca! We'll be camping on Fox Hill. AFM #278

February 7th, 2010, 11:06 AM	#6
2WheelGuy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Craig Location: Silicon Valley, CA USA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): '98 EX250, '02 EX250, '08 250r, '03 SV650, '98 GSXR750 '03 Hayabusa, '87 YSR50, '84 ZX900, +MORE Posts: A lot.	kkim you are right. I wasn't aware that they are two different products. The box looks exactly the same. I run Racetech Gold Valve Cartridge Emulators. __________________________________________________ CraigHarris.org Pacific Track Time CraigsWeb See you at 2014 MotoGP Laguna Seca! We'll be camping on Fox Hill. AFM #278

February 12th, 2010, 04:27 PM	#11
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February 6th, 2010, 11:09 PM	#3
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	I use the Racetech Emulators in my dirt bikes. Great product. 2WG.. do they make gold valves for our bikes?? I thought they only made Emulators for the 250R?

February 7th, 2010, 10:51 AM	#5
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Gold valves and Emulators are 2 different products. I see emulators listed for the 08+ 250Rs but they don't have the Gold valves listed for the forks. They do make a Gold valve kit for the rear shock.

February 7th, 2010, 11:26 AM	#7
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Yep, that's what I run in the dirt bikes and they make a great improvement to the stock forks. Not trying to belabor the point... I just wanted to avoid any confusion for others that may be thinking of using the product. The ability to tune the fork stroke compression is invaluable on the basic type non- adjustable forks that come on the 250R.

February 7th, 2010, 11:32 PM	#8
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	What's the diff between emulator and gold valve? Posted via Mobile Device

February 11th, 2010, 05:58 PM	#10
ROADandTRACK R&T Suspension Name: K Hertell Location: San Antonio, TEXAS Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Too many to list Posts: 175	The Emulators emulate a shim stacked valve (sort of) which is in cart. forks. They only control compression. You will still need to modify the damping rod to get the rebound correct. Oh, while the intimatedater seems like it will work on the comp side, they say that you need no rebound at all to gain traction which is just not right. I imagine the things could work in the right hands though.

March 9th, 2010, 11:47 PM	#12
NorCal_250R ninjette.org member Name: Jordan Location: Corte Madera Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 06 Ninja 650R, 08 Ninja 250R, 00 Aprilia SR50 (dead) Posts: 94	Dave Moss, from Catalyst Reaction Suspension, tuner on onthethrottle.com, for AMA teams, AFM teams etc... HATES the Gold Valve Emulators... he thinks they suck...he prefers dialing in the rebound with different oil weights, getting the spring rate right...and dialing in the rest with oil height etc... BUT... suspension is ALL personal...if you like it...race it... try the right springs, the right oil and oil heights BEFORE you drill the hell out of your damper rods...

March 10th, 2010, 09:41 AM	#15
ROADandTRACK R&T Suspension Name: K Hertell Location: San Antonio, TEXAS Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Too many to list Posts: 175	The emulators have little to do w/ rebound. So I don't get the above statement about DM. The GVE's are better than nothing, because w/ nothing you will get a pretty harsh ride on bumpy tracks using the comp holes. And, you can tune the GVE's somewhat.

March 10th, 2010, 08:08 PM	#16
NorCal_250R ninjette.org member Name: Jordan Location: Corte Madera Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 06 Ninja 650R, 08 Ninja 250R, 00 Aprilia SR50 (dead) Posts: 94	Can't argue with that logic...might have to buy me some... So you are saying when I drill out my damper rods...that only destroys the compression settings? Makes sense since you don't mess with the rebound holes...

March 10th, 2010, 08:15 PM	#17
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	yes, you enlarge the stock compression holes in the damper rods to render them useless so the emulator valves are then fully in charge of the compression duties of the fork. the adjustable feature of the valve then lets you fine tune the compression.

March 10th, 2010, 08:25 PM	#18
NorCal_250R ninjette.org member Name: Jordan Location: Corte Madera Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 06 Ninja 650R, 08 Ninja 250R, 00 Aprilia SR50 (dead) Posts: 94	That unit on the top of this thread says you just drop it in, no drilling, while would still give you the damper rod effect, but maybe not...