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Old October 26th, 2012, 02:49 PM   #81
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Not state side they don't. They've got nothing.
Pity, its a tasty sports machine & apparently a capable sports tourer, I'd take it over the 500 anyday



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Old October 26th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #82
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Not state side they don't. They've got nothing.
They don't have anything that matches up exactly, but they are promoting the NC700X and its variants to play a similar role. A cheap ($6999), fuel-efficient, fun do-it-all bike for people who don't want a supersport or a larger touring bike.

Their marketing blurb from that link:

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Honda’s new NC700X is a real breath of fresh air in today’s world of specialized motorcycles, a new concept in streetbikes, and one that puts the FUN in Functional. During the week it’s an awesome commuter. On the weekend it lets you go exploring in the country, or carve up a twisty canyon road. Light, nimble, and with an engine that offers a generous helping of useable torque, it’s all wrapped up in a package that’s big enough for longer rides, but not a handful in tight traffic or in a parking lot. And to sweeten the deal, it’s even available in two versions: one model features a conventional six-speed, manual-clutch transmission, while a second version is available with the latest generation of Honda’s exclusive automatic Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT). Plus, the DCT version comes with Honda’s revolutionary Combined ABS!
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Old October 26th, 2012, 03:08 PM   #83
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That cbr600f is a beauty. I'd buy that for sure.

The nc700x is nice, but not for me. Looked at it in person, and would much rather have a ninja 650.
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Curious of pricing as that would be one of the deciding factors for me if I jumped to this beauty. But if its closer in price to the 600 I'll wait.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #85
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Curious of pricing as that would be one of the deciding factors for me if I jumped to this beauty. But if its closer in price to the 600 I'll wait.
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Pity, its a tasty sports machine & apparently a capable sports tourer, I'd take it over the 500 anyday
Damn, good looking bike!
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Old October 27th, 2012, 02:50 PM   #87
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If the CBR500 is released in the US that's the bike I'd buy over the Ninja 300. And I know plenty of peeps/racers who would jump ship too. End of story!
I don't really understand why? In fact I don't understand why anyone would pick a CBR 500 over a Ninja 300, especially as a starter bike. The CBR500 will slot between the Ninja 300 and Ninja 650 in price. If all you wanted was more power, why not spend a little extra money and get a properly exciting sporty bike like the Ninja 650. If you just want to learn, a Ninja 300 is a much better platform to learn on then a bike which is heavier and more expensive and not much faster. If you want to race, both the Ninja 300 and CBR 500 are horrible choices, as there is no 300 or 500 racing class - you are better off on a used Ninja 250 or a supersport 600.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 02:52 PM   #88
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Not state side they don't. They've got nothing.
I just checked the Honda Canada website. Wow, CBF600, CB1000, CB1000R - all offered with ABS. Why do they offer so much more choice to Canadians? They don't even offer ABS on the CB1000R down here.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #89
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If the CBR500 is released in the US that's the bike I'd buy over the Ninja 300. And I know plenty of peeps/racers who would jump ship too. End of story!
As a race bike it's probably the worst choice. It's going to be severely underpowered.

The current racing class for twins is 650cc, the ER6f & SV are both far more powerful & sports orientated. look at the supertwin class in the IOMTT.

The 500 is a bike designed to fill a specific market slot (EU A2 class, 395-600cc & below 35kW) as cheaply & quickly as possible.
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Old October 29th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #90
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cbr 500

Chrck this out finnaly more pics of the rummored 500 from honda

http://www.shift518.com/showthread.p...431#post996431

To get a 500 i would rather just go for a 600
A 450 would hit the sweet spot. But i love my 300 as of right now.
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To get a 500 i would rather just go for a 600
A 450 would hit the sweet spot. But i love my 300 as of right now.
Very different bikes. Besides the number 500 physically being closer on the number line to 600 than a 250, they really are two completely different animals.

The 500 is a twin, 600's are inline 4's.

The 500 is a sport, with comfy ride, standard fork, etc. 600 is a supersport with inverted forks, massive brakes, and a very rigid frame, set up for full-on racetrack aggression.
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Very different bikes. Besides the number 500 physically being closer on the number line to 600 than a 250, they really are two completely different animals.

The 500 is a twin, 600's are inline 4's.

The 500 is a sport, with comfy ride, standard fork, etc. 600 is a supersport with inverted forks, massive brakes, and a very rigid frame, set up for full-on racetrack aggression.
Gosh you have the inside scoop on specs of that 500 how about price?
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Gosh you have the inside scoop on specs of that 500 how about price?
Gosh you have a wonderful grasp of how to deliver sarcasm. Do you know how to look at pictures to see what kind of forks/frame are on a bike? Or how about how to read through a thread full of links that have information about the bike?

Take a look at the picture below. It's not hard to see that this isn't a supersport.
  • Risers instead of clipons.
  • standard forks instead of inverted forks.
  • single front brake instead of dual disks.
  • skinny swingarm instead of beefy one.
  • not the same style frame they use the on the CBR600 and all other supersports
  • Comfy looking rearsets instead of high and back-swept ones
  • passenger handles.
Also, the blogs in the links talk about a doubled cbr250 engine, which makes a 500cc twin, not an inline-4.
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Gosh you have a wonderful grasp of how to deliver sarcasm. Do you know how to look at pictures to see what kind of forks/frame are on a bike? Or how about how to read through a thread full of links that have information about the bike?

Take a look at the picture below. It's not hard to see that this isn't a supersport.
  • Risers instead of clipons.
  • standard forks instead of inverted forks.
  • single front brake instead of dual disks.
  • skinny swingarm instead of beefy one.
  • not the same style frame they use the on the CBR600 and all other supersports
  • Comfy looking rearsets instead of high and back-swept ones
  • passenger handles.
Also, the blogs in the links talk about a doubled cbr250 engine, which makes a 500cc twin, not an inline-4.
It'll be minimum 175kg (386lbs same as a 600rr) to conform to EU's A2 class regs which put a maximum power to weight of 0.2kW/kg, but I've heard rumours that it's actually closer to 195kg (430lbs) meaning it's barely above the P/W that the ninja is putting out.
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They don't have anything that matches up exactly, but they are promoting the NC700X and its variants to play a similar role. A cheap ($6999), fuel-efficient, fun do-it-all bike for people who don't want a supersport or a larger touring bike.

Their marketing blurb from that link:
I've ridden the NC700X at a honda demo day, and it was very uninspiring. It may be because I first rode a 600rr and then a 1000rr, then jumped on the NC.

But it had a rev limiter at either 7k or 8k rpm, which felt like I was barely getting any power out of each gear.
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I've ridden the NC700X at a honda demo day, and it was very uninspiring. It may be because I first rode a 600rr and then a 1000rr, then jumped on the NC.

But it had a rev limiter at either 7k or 8k rpm, which felt like I was barely getting any power out of each gear.
i think that is standard for that class of bike
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 11:45 PM   #103
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Looks like Honda is definitely ready to announce more new models in about a weeks time...

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Old November 5th, 2012, 10:38 AM   #104
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while all this wait has grown my desire to own one of these, it's also made me re-consider buying new. Not sure if building anticipation is a good thing or a bad thing overall for them...
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The 500 seems too big to be direct competition with the 250/300 class. If the hp is really 47 (and that's not the EU restrictions), then I wouldn't want a bigger bike to gain such small numbers; but if (as seems more likely), the American version will be more powerful, then it seems like competition for the 600/650 class.

I'm hoping for the latter option. A (probably) expensive, bigger, heavier small bike isn't exciting; but a great-looking, light-weight middleweight sounds freaking awesome. I would consider that as a second bike in addition to my 300, as something with a bit more heft and oomph for multi-day trips.
Like 170cc bump and 8 hp isnt much on the 50lbs lighter and 39bhp Its just the tq # that will get the 300 >.<
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Like 170cc bump and 8 hp isnt much on the 50lbs lighter and 39bhp Its just the tq # that will get the 300 >.<
Torque rocks. Don't underestimate torque. sv1000's have about the same peak hp as an R6, but they have massive torque and rip through turns.
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Nice count down!! It shows 0:0:0 So when is the unveiling?
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Mine shows 11:42 left, I'm guessing it will be like mid-morning UK time
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Just because Honda put some decals and their logo on a white ninja 300 doesn't mean they've made a new bike.

They're obviously pulling off the same crap HP did when they started selling HP branded iPods back when iPods were still used.
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They're obviously pulling off the same crap HP did when they started selling HP branded iPods back when iPods were still used.
LOL you're kidding right? It's on the Honda website as well... 2013 CBR 500R
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Torque rocks. Don't underestimate torque. sv1000's have about the same peak hp as an R6, but they have massive torque and rip through turns.
With a good pilot, sv1000's are a tough customer, even for an R6. You have to pass em on entry and get a really good drive out or they will motor you on exit.
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Maybe now the incessent whining will stop from people who wanted a 250 but "just a little more power". Now between Honda and Kawasaki they have you covered from 250 to 300 to 500 to 650. What's your excuse now?
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looks like the naked one will be coming to the states too! i want to see power numbers.

although, with a potential house purchase in my near future, a used SV650 might be a better financial decision.
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looks like the naked one will be coming to the states too! i want to see power numbers.
Yeah, even I found the lack of power figures to be weird... Maybe they will have different power numbers for the uk and other markets? Considering the uk A2 license norms...
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