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Old March 26th, 2015, 09:53 PM   #241
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that isn't rear brake.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 10:04 PM   #242
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so we're going to do this.
Dude, seriously, read your own posts and think about what you are saying.


I'm off to get my R3, its got no abs(hopefully) and no slipper clutch....
Imma gonna burn in hell for racing something so inferior to a Ninja 300 haha.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 11:12 PM   #243
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Hahaha I lol'd

Yeah let's stick to the R3, and send the slipper clutch at all that to dedicated threads.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 11:51 PM   #244
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Although I haven't tried it, I agree with cbinker that the rear tire will lock up even with the slipper clutch.

Anyone willing to experiment? Go 55mph in 4th gear, then pull in the clutch and let the RPMs drop to idle, then click down twice to 2nd gear and pop the clutch out as fast as you can. I think 55mph in 2nd gear is pretty close to redline.

I doubt there the slipper clutch in our 300 is capable of slipping from 1300rpm to 12,000rpm without transferring some of that resistance to the rear tire.

Would a higher quality slipper clutch on SS bikes be able to handle that much abuse?
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Old March 27th, 2015, 12:42 AM   #245
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I'm off to get my R3
I hope you get it asap and do a writeup please, I'm curious about
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Would a higher quality slipper clutch on SS bikes be able to handle that much abuse?
I guess they're all the same so even on a SS it shouldn't do.
By the way you're right, from idle to 12000 the slipper wouldn't help I think also.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 01:27 AM   #246
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I hope you get it asap and do a writeup please, I'm curious about

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Will be doing better than that, check the RC390 thread, a mate I track with has one. (and its drop dead gorgeous in the flesh but I wont tell him that ) he's 6 months ahead in development but will be a good gauge for the R3.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 01:33 AM   #247
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Although I haven't tried it, I agree with cbinker that the rear tire will lock up even with the slipper clutch.
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It might break traction, same as like when the ninja 250 and cbr250 winds off the clock as you enter the braking area,
But it wont lock up the rear tyre.

*And to stay on topic -
Nor will the R3 lock up unless the piston goes out the side of the block.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 07:18 AM   #248
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Although I haven't tried it, I agree with cbinker that the rear tire will lock up even with the slipper clutch.

Anyone willing to experiment? Go 55mph in 4th gear, then pull in the clutch and let the RPMs drop to idle, then click down twice to 2nd gear and pop the clutch out as fast as you can. I think 55mph in 2nd gear is pretty close to redline.

I doubt there the slipper clutch in our 300 is capable of slipping from 1300rpm to 12,000rpm without transferring some of that resistance to the rear tire.

Would a higher quality slipper clutch on SS bikes be able to handle that much abuse?
6th to 2nd from 60 to 25-30, Back end skids around a little, but not too crazy though. I have tried it multiple times, its kinda fun. I have done it unintentionally on the ZX6R, but the slipper is there for a reason.
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It might break traction, same as like when the ninja 250 and cbr250 winds off the clock as you enter the braking area,
But it wont lock up the rear tyre.

*And to stay on topic -
Nor will the R3 lock up unless the piston goes out the side of the block.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 07:21 AM   #250
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Dude, seriously, read your own posts and think about what you are saying.


I'm off to get my R3, its got no abs(hopefully) and no slipper clutch....
Imma gonna burn in hell for racing something so inferior to a Ninja 300 haha.
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6th to 2nd from 60 to 25-30, Back end skids around a little, but not too crazy though. I have tried it multiple times, its kinda fun. I have done it unintentionally on the ZX6R, but the slipper is there for a reason.
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I am speaking from experience here.
Yes!!!

Things heard in the paddock after doing stuff like that;

"Dude... your rear shock is toast!"
"Dude... I think you're charging that corner."
"Man... You're gunna highside in turn 10 for sure!!!"
"Yo... Lemme show you a smoother line through that turn."
"Hey... That looks fun as hell, how are you doing that?"
"Sup, Stop showing the little guys that we can go that deep. They already kill us on the straight."
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Old March 27th, 2015, 09:37 AM   #252
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Yes!!!

Things heard in the paddock after doing stuff like that;

"Dude... your rear shock is toast!"
"Dude... I think you're charging that corner."
"Man... You're gunna highside in turn 10 for sure!!!"
"Yo... Lemme show you a smoother line through that turn."
"Hey... That looks fun as hell, how are you doing that?"
"Sup, Stop showing the little guys that we can go that deep. They already kill us on the straight."
I do it coming to a stop light...
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Old March 27th, 2015, 02:18 PM   #253
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Its fun until you flat spot the hell out of your tire when you go TOO deep lol.
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The best response one can have assuming they are riding at an advanced level already. Pretty sure intentionally doing stuff like that is risky if you haven't mastered core riding techniques
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The best response one can have assuming they are riding at an advanced level already. Pretty sure intentionally doing stuff like that is risky if you haven't mastered core riding techniques
Well yea or course, not really for the novice. You seen it for yourself with Kevin standing beside the fence, went I was doing it on my r6 @ Jennings on entry to turn one.

And for those who don't know.. the 06-08 r6 has a slipper. lol So that means... slipper or not, you can slide the rear if you're hard enough on the brakes. But, please don't read this as proper riding. It's sloppy, it's not smooth and I wouldn't advise doing anything like this until you have had 100% confidence for a considerable amount of time.

Basically, this is a stepping stone along the way to building the skill of "backing it in" on purpose, instead of by accident. Do NOT try this at a stop light. hahahahahah
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Its fun until you flat spot the hell out of your tire when you go TOO deep lol.
Oh god no.... if you locked it hard enough to flat spot it, then . You're not ready. Sliding it or getting the rear out of shape is not quite the same as locking it up. Even though the rear tire loses traction due to engine speed vs. rolling speed, it should never just stop spinning. That would kill one of the biggest gyro's keeping the bike stable, even though it's somewhat unstable at the given moment. hahahahahah
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HOLY SPEED DIFFERENCE

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HOLY SPEED DIFFERENCE

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and.... I am pretty sure you can't do this on a 250/300... with or without a slipper hahahahha

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dude looks like he was doing it for shits n giggles

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dude looks like he was doing it for shits n giggles

100% for sure! Doing that stuff to that extent doesn't lend itself to faster lap times, which goes back to the "fun factor" I was talking about. If your not out there having fun, then go back home.
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Oh god no.... if you locked it hard enough to flat spot it, then . You're not ready. Sliding it or getting the rear out of shape is not quite the same as locking it up. Even though the rear tire loses traction due to engine speed vs. rolling speed, it should never just stop spinning. That would kill one of the biggest gyro's keeping the bike stable, even though it's somewhat unstable at the given moment. hahahahahah
lol, oh no I am comfortable consistently just getting that little sucker skipping around a bit and that is not big deal, a 600 without a slipper makes the ninjette seem a bit of a cake walk in that department (although to be honest it unnerves me on the Honda just from the weight and speed differential) . This was more of a oh @$&% don't pack the your bike in the rear of the bike in front of you cause you waited ALOT later to brake than the guy in front of you, didn't leave your escape line right, and generally just abandoned ship lol . Ended up in the grass with a nice black trail off the track but upright.

Still a mistake, but letting the rear get loose on entry in the braking zone , just a normal day at the track.
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well I am pretty sure a good chunk of that would have left me without the giggles part lol.
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Comparing all 4 bikes. Too premature I think since the author hasn't even ridden the KTM yet.

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They state the Honda as having radial tires while showing a picture of a Honda with IRCs. Well ok then
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IRC does have radials in their lineup as well. Especially in their home market of Japan.
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I wonder if that will actually make a difference. I assume it's still going to be a hard tire like the one we all know and love/hate.
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I wonder if that will actually make a difference. I assume it's still going to be a hard tire like the one we all know and love/hate.
Yep. The SP series are a hard compound radials designed for commuting/touring. They have a good amount of life on them for radials but I'm having a hard time finding SP-11s anymore so they may have discontinued the old line of touring radials and may have something else coming out soon. I do know they do a radial tire for their Japanese small race bike series in the 125cc(?) but I haven't been able to source them in the U.S. and they wouldn't fit our rims anyways.

Their new RX-02 which will replace the RX-01s the Ninja 300s came with from the bits and pieces I've seen of their debut in Asia are supposed to be much better than the RX-01 in grip, wet weather, and durability. I'd be interested to try out a set when they become available fully in the U.S.
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i even looked up fancy ones in ducatis and which are basically identical to suzuki clutches. basically, its all the same ****. ducati's sound like ass because they are ******. also the slipper ramp clacks at idle because the ramps have play. and being dry means theres no cushion to make it queit. essentially, its ****, but your oil stays cleaner.
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Holy shitballs, I could sell my 300 and make money getting one if it's really that cheap
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^ most likely a sales tactic just to get people in the door. The price after all is said and done will be on par with everyone else
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Old April 26th, 2015, 05:40 AM   #279
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my dealership has a blue one now. gonna walk in there on Tuesday and see what they'll say. they got a bunch of 2014 Ninja 300's they can't sell so hopefully they'll take my offer. If not, I wont be too worried... I'll just ride home on my mint 20103 Ninja 300 that I paid bout half what most guys are getting their R3's for.
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Old April 29th, 2015, 12:08 PM   #280
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I'll just ride home on my mint 20103 Ninja 300
Wow you think they would make the motor a little bigger by then.
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