December 11th, 2010, 11:05 PM | #1 |
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2011 Kawasaki ZX-10R on hold
Ran across this on another forum:
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December 11th, 2010, 11:56 PM | #2 |
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That's strange, Kawasaki is showing off the 2011 ZX-10R as I type at the Seattle International Motorcycle Show?
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December 12th, 2010, 08:18 AM | #3 |
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December 12th, 2010, 04:53 PM | #4 |
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Very curious what the issue actually is. I suppose the risk goes up on complete overhaul years... At least they are proactive about it, whatever the issue.
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December 12th, 2010, 07:02 PM | #5 |
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Betting on an internal engine problem due to such an extreme program as a buy back. Years ago I worked at a BMW dealer and front wheels were bad on the K series. BMW shipped new wheels to the dealers and the dealers replaced them.
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December 12th, 2010, 07:31 PM | #6 |
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That sucks. I think I'd cry if I got a letter from Kawi "Bring back your 250R for a full refund."
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December 13th, 2010, 09:07 AM | #7 |
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I would guess it's their new traction control system that's giving them problems. That would cause a huge liability suit if someone wrecked because the system went nuts.
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December 13th, 2010, 09:16 AM | #8 |
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Actually the rumor is that its to do with the butterfly valve in the Exhaust, nothing appears to be failing it appears to be some red tape regulation thing. Euro spec bikes start shipping in January and no warning or stop notice has been issued there.
The traction control is proven on the GTR1400 already.
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December 13th, 2010, 09:40 AM | #9 |
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Interesting rumor, but as a manufacturer, wouldn't it be far cheaper to send out a fixed exhaust system than buying back bikes and shipping thousands of bikes back to warehouses?
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December 13th, 2010, 03:02 PM | #10 |
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I hear the US bikes are supposed to be 20 HP less than other countries.
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EDIT: looks like euro release is delayed also, so whatever it is must take more than a quick fix http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...lay/16404.html
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December 14th, 2010, 01:22 PM | #12 | |
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December 14th, 2010, 02:46 PM | #13 |
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For what its worth, I read a post on another forum that said it involved failures of the lower piston ring.
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December 14th, 2010, 03:10 PM | #14 |
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I can guarantee its not a problem with a positrac differential. Be interesting to see what Kawi says when the smoke clears.
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December 15th, 2010, 04:35 PM | #15 |
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These new liter bikes are certainly pushing the envelope these days!
Didn't the new BMW sportbike have some initial issues also? Thought I read something about them having problems. Might have been overheating? Hope Kawasaki gets this sorted out soon. The new ZX-10R is a very cool looking bike. |
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December 16th, 2010, 12:36 AM | #16 |
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Just FYI - All rumors posted in this thread are incorrect.
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December 16th, 2010, 07:10 AM | #17 |
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So.....What is it??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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December 16th, 2010, 07:13 AM | #18 |
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^^^^^
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December 16th, 2010, 07:28 AM | #19 |
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Maybe BMW after producing an all out liter bike only to have Kawi respond with a new ZX10 put out a rumor that the ZX10 is on hold??? Nope!
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December 16th, 2010, 07:31 AM | #20 |
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Eidt - Do know for a fact that dealers had to send their inventory back to Kawi, friend at dealer takes care of setup (in this case send back). Supposedly some bikes have some wrong parts, though not sure what parts.
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December 16th, 2010, 09:51 AM | #21 |
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If I had one of these bikes and the dealer said he wanted it back I'd be asking for a detailed explanation as to why. If that wasn't forthcoming then I'd be expecting a full refund (including all fees/charges/taxes) plus interest plus something for my time and trouble.
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December 16th, 2010, 09:54 AM | #22 |
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Um...they are giving the customers a full refund. =P
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December 16th, 2010, 10:02 AM | #23 |
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What is the full refund though? Is it MRSP (assuming they paid MSRP) + freight/setup + taxes? What if some dealer added some slimey high cost doc fees etc? Thinking not too many have been sold at this point and are either in warehouses (Kawi or dealer).
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December 16th, 2010, 10:27 AM | #24 |
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The refund would consist of whatever a person paid for it OTD. The dealer nor manufacturer can't keep any of your money if it was their mistake. There's no restocking fee or anything of that nature when manufacturers do recalls.
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December 16th, 2010, 10:35 AM | #25 |
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Makes sense.
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December 16th, 2010, 10:44 AM | #26 |
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The carrot is the immediate full refund. The stick is an immediate voiding of the warranty on the unit, as it hasn't been maintained to Kawi's standards (which are now: "return it to the dealer as there is a critical maintenance issue"), so if a rider does ignore the request and keeps the bike and has something fail down the line, they are likely completely on their own.
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December 16th, 2010, 03:30 PM | #28 |
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Rumors are all over the map. Some have been disproved (euro maps on US bikes), some are still viable (pre-production engine parts included in some production bikes). It'll all come out at some point. The bikes have now been delayed in the UK as well, inferring that it's not just a EPA/DOT/US regs issue, and is a more fundamental manufacturing issue.
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December 19th, 2010, 09:55 PM | #29 |
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Rumor I heard was privateer race teams received some ZX10's. After putting time on them they started pulling them apart and were noticing accelerated piston wear. Replacement parts didn't look like original parts. Just a rumor.
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December 20th, 2010, 11:06 AM | #30 |
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I went to a Kawa dealership on Saturday since they were having a big sale in their parts department. I spoke to the manager he stated Kawa hasn't stated to him what it was but he thinks since the Euro version is out but not the U.S version they were thinking it was something to do with there ECU. Something to do with us being limited to 188hp and Euro is not and they had to fix it due to regulation. I did ask if they sent theres back he said not yet but it is all in there back room.
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December 20th, 2010, 11:16 AM | #31 | |
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This is the closest rumor to date:
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December 20th, 2010, 12:44 PM | #33 |
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FWIW only the green bikes got the radiation contaminated parts. The others got parts made from melted down CB radio antennas (or is it antennae?, but I digress). This problem was discovered also when the green bikes were being ridden at night and full throttle, appearing like a fast moving large neon green lightstick.
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December 20th, 2010, 01:17 PM | #34 |
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Seriously...if the sales person ended his or her pitch with "....also, it's radioactive!", I'd totally buy it. It doesn't even really matter what it was....
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