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Old May 27th, 2018, 11:36 AM   #1
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How do I not go deaf while riding?

I would like to be able to ride and listen to music/talk to another rider. I’ve tried ear buds but I have to play them way too loud to be able to hear the music, and I’d like to be able to hear when I’m older. So I guess what I’m asking is how do I block out all of the wind noise but be able to play music?
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Old May 27th, 2018, 11:58 AM   #2
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Old May 27th, 2018, 12:10 PM   #3
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^ Has anyone ever used these while riding? I’m not sure if I could justify spending that much on earbuds lol.
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First off if this is on the 250/300, then you need a better helmet. My current one is the quietest helmet I've ever owned, most are very poorly designed for noise even VERY expensive ones. I wish the type approval tests had DB ratings for all helmets, I have been very disappointed in the past with some helmets I have owned or borrowed. You should be able to hear easily with good buds up to 80mph, above that even good acoustic helmets start to generate lots of noise.

Active noise cancelling is the next thing to take it to the next level, I use Boseir over ear units on planes & have been waiting for a helmet manufacturer to bring one out. Sena announced one a couple of years back with full noise cancelling & built in bluetooth comms etc, but its not arrived in the market yet

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I wear regular earplugs for protection in conjunction with using my Sena headset.
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Old May 27th, 2018, 12:23 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info, I could turn the earbuds that I’m using up but I just don’t want to damage my hearing.
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if you are that worried about it wear earplugs and leave out the music.
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Old May 27th, 2018, 12:55 PM   #9
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Earplugs + helmet speakers have always worked best for me, but have only taken the time to set them up on larger bikes. Music or not, seriously consider wearing earplugs.

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Old May 27th, 2018, 01:07 PM   #10
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Quiet helmet, ear plugs, I've used marshmallow earbuds with great success
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See an audiologist, they can pour ear plugs to the shape of your ear. Then insert tiny speakers in them. That’s how the car racers do it.
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Old May 27th, 2018, 01:47 PM   #12
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I'm a fan of hearing the sounds around me when I ride. I take any advantage I can get to keep me informed of the vehicles that may run me over. Ear plugs don't mask those sounds, they just bring everything down to a safe level. Music on the other hand, would not be my friend.
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Those bose earbuds seem like they would work amazing. It’s just too bad they’re $250
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You are from Maine. You only have two weeks of summer riding. Don't listen to music or any other distraction. Enjoy the sound of the bike and the view around you.
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Try these. I've always like their home audio equipment better than Bose anyway.
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I've found that this design does a good job of blocking out loud noises while keeping quieter noises pretty hearable:



There was a name for the tech/reason why it works but I forget. I stopped using them and started using a more comfortable design and ditched the music: The distraction it provides isn't worth it to me.
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In many states, it's illegal to listen to music while riding. Weasel-worded in different ways.
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In California, I think it's a single speaker in the helmet. I think my bluetooth has two, but I don't remember. My rear blinkers are also an eighth of an inch too close together.

Laws are useless if they're not enforced.
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I find good ear plugs make a huge difference.
The music from my sena sounds good but the low wind noise really makes the ride seem more stress free.
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Somebody had to say it.

This is a very personal thing. The concept that's worked for me is the same one the previously mentioned plugphones use: An earbud that fits completely inside your ear canal, thereby providing both noise isolation and access to music at a reasonably low volume.

I've tried 'em and they're good.

However, because of my particular anatomy (my ears aren't that large) the protruding part of the plugphones gets pressed on by the helmet and makes them a bit uncomfortable for me.

What I use and highly recommend is the PlugUp S-plugs. These fit ENTIRELY in your ear canal so the only thing that sticks out is the wire. They give noise isolation easily as good as regular earplugs, which means I don't need to crank up the audio volume at all.

They are absolutely awesome and I won't ride on the street without 'em. I listen to podcasts/NPR instead of music, but that's just personal preference. It's easier to get distracted and lost in music for me, and that's a bad thing when riding.

The S-Plugs are relatively expensive for standard earbuds but they work so well that for me, they're worth it.

So bottom line: Same concept as plugphones but different execution. The plugphones are cheap enough to take a risk on but if they don't work, you won't regret investing in the S-plugs.

https://www.plugup.com/best_and_most...22-3.5-4.5.htm



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In California, I think it's a single speaker in the helmet. I think my bluetooth has two, but I don't remember. My rear blinkers are also an eighth of an inch too close together.

Laws are useless if they're not enforced.
Seems like it depends on the interpretation of the law by individual officer or department. It's either ok because it's not in-ear (which is always illegal) or it's not ok because the intent is the same as in-ear. Pretty sure the law says nothing about a single speaker being ok either way.

Here's a thread where several LEOs weighed in on the situation:
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Somebody had to say it.

This is a very personal thing. The concept that's worked for me is the same one the previously mentioned plugphones use: An earbud that fits completely inside your ear canal, thereby providing both noise isolation and access to music at a reasonably low volume.

I've tried 'em and they're good.

However, because of my particular anatomy (my ears aren't that large) the protruding part of the plugphones gets pressed on by the helmet and makes them a bit uncomfortable for me.

What I use and highly recommend is the PlugUp S-plugs. These fit ENTIRELY in your ear canal so the only thing that sticks out is the wire. They give noise isolation easily as good as regular earplugs, which means I don't need to crank up the audio volume at all.

They are absolutely awesome and I won't ride on the street without 'em. I listen to podcasts/NPR instead of music, but that's just personal preference. It's easier to get distracted and lost in music for me, and that's a bad thing when riding.

The S-Plugs are relatively expensive for standard earbuds but they work so well that for me, they're worth it.

So bottom line: Same concept as plugphones but different execution. The plugphones are cheap enough to take a risk on but if they don't work, you won't regret investing in the S-plugs.
Thank you, @adouglas for your recommendation. I trust your input, and will certainly be looking these up when I am able to afford it. I just wish they were bluetooth for that pricepoint. I will not be giving my money to Bose, I think that though they do put out a quality product, the pricing is far from matching the quality. Do you link up with GPS on these, and what do you recommend when linking up to a phone attached to the bike to use the GPS visually and auditory(sp)?
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Thank you, @adouglas for your recommendation. I trust your input, and will certainly be looking these up when I am able to afford it. I just wish they were bluetooth for that pricepoint. I will not be giving my money to Bose, I think that though they do put out a quality product, the pricing is far from matching the quality. Do you link up with GPS on these, and what do you recommend when linking up to a phone attached to the bike to use the GPS visually and auditory(sp)?
PlugUp is a small business and these things are made by hand. I do believe they can attach the S-plug tips to a bluetooth headset that you supply... depends on the headset. The electronics can't be in the earbuds for obvious reasons. They show something like this on their website, but the information is dated. Drop them a line.

I use this, clipped to my backpack harness or jacket. Nothing unique about it... it's just a simple Bluetooth receiver.

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iPhone is in a cradle on the top triple. For commuting I have podcasts running in the background, and Waze in the foreground. I have the Waze audio set for alerts only.

When going on rides where I need directions, I prefer the display on the CoPilot app. So in those situations I'm running three things at once... CoPilot for nav (in the foreground), Waze for police warnings (background audio) and my podcast app.

When just riding around, sometimes I just wear earplugs... or I'll just have podcast audio with no display.

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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone, I’ll have to pick what I like and try it.
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Shure se425, but ditch the sh!++y plugs they come with and upgrade to something that looks more like this..



Obviously you'll need to find the right plugs which slip onto the SE425 and have a hole through the middle to translate the sound.

It's all a matter of personal preference and testing out different things to see what works.

The ultimate solution is custom-made ear-plugs which are molded specifically to fit the shape of your ear, but I haven't made it to that level yet.

The cheap option is foam earplugs with a 21dB NRR which will still allow you to hear traffic noise.... and yeah, ditch the music.
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What I use and highly recommend is the PlugUp S-plugs. These fit ENTIRELY in your ear canal so the only thing that sticks out is the wire. They give noise isolation easily as good as regular earplugs, which means I don't need to crank up the audio volume at all.

They are absolutely awesome and I won't ride on the street without 'em. I listen to podcasts/NPR instead of music, but that's just personal preference. It's easier to get distracted and lost in music for me, and that's a bad thing when riding.
I really like that idea and I really like that a smaller business is doing something like this. While I don't think I'll use 'em for riding, I'm definitely going to have to pick up a pair of these. The form-factor looks perfect.

Anecdote on podcasts: my brother showed me a weld he made. It was a really good weld when he'd started, then it turned into splattery hemorrhoids. I asked him what happened there, and he told me he started laughing because he was listening to podcasts while welding.

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Seems like it depends on the interpretation of the law by individual officer or department. It's either ok because it's not in-ear (which is always illegal) or it's not ok because the intent is the same as in-ear. Pretty sure the law says nothing about a single speaker being ok either way.

Here's a thread where several LEOs weighed in on the situation:
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/fo...d.php?t=524497
That's a good read. Kind of reinforces what I already do; know how the LEOs operate in your area. A bit harder to do in a bigger city like you're in, though.
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