Please help troubleshoot my 04 ex250! - Page 2

propilot · February 24th, 2015, 01:33 PM

Did the test again and got the same result. But a fried starter wouldn't explain why my batteries kept draining so quickly so:
Could a jammed/broken starter stop the stator from spinning? And vice versa, could a jammed/broken stator stop the starter from spinning?

cookiebug79 · February 24th, 2015, 01:41 PM

Can you spin the engine by hand?

ninjunk · February 24th, 2015, 01:46 PM

did you jump straight to the starter from a known good battery?

and what, nothing? if you get sparks when you touch the terminal its a short which could mean a mechanical failure, if you get no sparks it is open which probably means electrical failure.

you need to describe exactly what is happening so we can help. i'm not really sure what 'test' you are talking about repeating and what the 'same result' means

propilot · February 24th, 2015, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjunk

did you jump straight to the starter from a known good battery?

and what, nothing? if you get sparks when you touch the terminal its a short which could mean a mechanical failure, if you get no sparks it is open which probably means electrical failure.

you need to describe exactly what is happening so we can help. i'm not really sure what 'test' you are talking about repeating and what the 'same result' means

Yes, I jumped straight to the starter with a good battery. When I did it on Sunday, I got sparks when I touched the terminal. When I tried it again today, there were no sparks.
I also tested the solenoid again and got a click and a reading of 0 ohm which I'm told means it's working properly.

@jen I didn't try to spin the engine by hand but tried push starting the bike on Sunday and got a faint growl. It almost fired up but unfortunately did not.

propilot · March 22nd, 2015, 12:13 PM

Flame me please, I deserve it!
I returned my battery to pepboys today stating they sold me a defective one (w/o a receipt nonetheless). They were nice enough to give me a new one free of charge. So I went home and actually read the instructions this time. Not only did I not top the acid off all the way (1st time) cuz I was late for work and in a rush, but I didn't let it sit the recommended hour or trickle charge it for 5hrs. I threw it in and took off. No wonder it only lasted 3 days..
Hopefully I didnt fry everything else trying to troubleshoot it, I'll let u kno tomorrow once I test it. From now on, I will do things right. That includes bleeding the coolant I topped off if the bike does start, getting my msf course and buying proper gear. Until then, tell me you told me so cuz a lot of you sure did and I didn't listen. As the English would say, Bollicks!

csmith12 · March 22nd, 2015, 12:21 PM

Experience is the best teacher keV! Now you know.

chrly · March 22nd, 2015, 12:37 PM

Propilot..in the yrs to come, this experience will serve you well!! and of course, anyone who asks you for help

Way to hang in there...

propilot · March 22nd, 2015, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Experience is the best teacher keV! Now you know.

Thanks dude. I like how you humor the spelling of my name too

@chrly Thanks man, I will help my fellow riders fo sho!

propilot · March 23rd, 2015, 10:06 AM

So it's a no-go

I'm about to throw the towel in and bring it to the stealership.

I still get the tic-tac from solenoid. When i jump the starter directly, I don't get sparks anymore?? I also tried jump starting it and i got a faint growl. I tried it again and the back wheel just locked up and skidded to a halt. If i try again, same thing happens but if I wait 3-5min, I get that faint growl again and then back to locking the wheel.

Correct me if I'm wrong but if the starter is fried, jump-starting it won't work. Is that correct?

propilot · March 23rd, 2015, 12:39 PM

Well I tried one more test and now, I'm almost positive it's the starter. I cranked the bike while lightly tapping the starter w a hammer and it started squeaking and then a little smoke came out from underneath the starter. Something is definitely stuck in there. I'm gonna order a used one, drain all the fluids and swap it out and see if my luck will change.

propilot · March 24th, 2015, 01:24 PM

Well, every time I do mechanic work, something usually goes wrong. Whether working on a scooter, car or bike. I'm always missing a tool, stripping a nut or fighting with rust or room to maneuver. But not today!!

I drained the oil, coolant system, removed the water pipes, shift lever, engine sprocket cover, alternator cover, starter idler gear with shaft and the starter motor without any hiccups whatsoever. I didn't crack any hoses, loose any screws or curse. I even spared the alternator gasket and went the extra mile by lubing my chain and removing all the gunk that accumulated everywhere

Couple pics of stator pulled out and the last one is my starter motor. One of the seals popped out and water leaked in causing the failure. New starter should be here on Friday. It's off an 05 with 7800miles on the clock. Paid $30 including shipping.

chrly · March 24th, 2015, 02:46 PM

Good job, now just be easy putting everything back and don't rush it..

propilot · March 27th, 2015, 03:15 PM

Fellow ninjetters, my baby's back!!!

The culprit was the bloody starter all along and now she's riding like new. Ahhh, the joy of slicing thru the wind w that whiny ninjette engine, priceless!

On a side note, she sat all winter and I didn't drain the gas because I had just filled her up and i didn't have a container large enough. Anyways, no bad gas here and she started right up and is idling at 1200rpm or so.

Admins, close this thread already!! Woop Woop!!

cookiebug79 · March 28th, 2015, 06:23 AM

Congratulations! So happy for you!

propilot · March 29th, 2015, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookiebug79

Congratulations! So happy for you!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!! I'm so syked to be riding again

March 22nd, 2015, 12:21 PM	#46
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March 22nd, 2015, 12:37 PM	#47
chrly ninjette.org member Name: Charley Location: Northern California Join Date: Jun 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Kawasaki EX300 , 1999 Kawasaki ZRX1200. Posts: 164	Propilot..in the yrs to come, this experience will serve you well!! and of course, anyone who asks you for help Way to hang in there... __________________________________________________ IBA # 59523

March 24th, 2015, 02:46 PM	#52
chrly ninjette.org member Name: Charley Location: Northern California Join Date: Jun 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Kawasaki EX300 , 1999 Kawasaki ZRX1200. Posts: 164	Good job, now just be easy putting everything back and don't rush it.. __________________________________________________ IBA # 59523

March 27th, 2015, 03:15 PM	#53
propilot ninjette.org member Name: keV Location: NYC Join Date: Feb 2015 Motorcycle(s): 04 ex250 Posts: 116	Fellow ninjetters, my baby's back!!! The culprit was the bloody starter all along and now she's riding like new. Ahhh, the joy of slicing thru the wind w that whiny ninjette engine, priceless! On a side note, she sat all winter and I didn't drain the gas because I had just filled her up and i didn't have a container large enough. Anyways, no bad gas here and she started right up and is idling at 1200rpm or so. Admins, close this thread already!! Woop Woop!!
	2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.

February 24th, 2015, 01:33 PM	#41
propilot ninjette.org member Name: keV Location: NYC Join Date: Feb 2015 Motorcycle(s): 04 ex250 Posts: 116	Did the test again and got the same result. But a fried starter wouldn't explain why my batteries kept draining so quickly so: Could a jammed/broken starter stop the stator from spinning? And vice versa, could a jammed/broken stator stop the starter from spinning?

February 24th, 2015, 01:41 PM	#42
cookiebug79 n00b with the b00bs Name: Jen Location: Southern California Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2007 EX250, 2008 EX250, 2001 ZR-7S, 2010 ZX-6R Posts: 470	Can you spin the engine by hand?

February 24th, 2015, 01:46 PM	#43
ninjunk Lostcause enthusiast Name: Graham Location: Austin, TX Join Date: Jan 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2000 EX250F Posts: 178	did you jump straight to the starter from a known good battery? and what, nothing? if you get sparks when you touch the terminal its a short which could mean a mechanical failure, if you get no sparks it is open which probably means electrical failure. you need to describe exactly what is happening so we can help. i'm not really sure what 'test' you are talking about repeating and what the 'same result' means

March 22nd, 2015, 12:13 PM	#45
propilot ninjette.org member Name: keV Location: NYC Join Date: Feb 2015 Motorcycle(s): 04 ex250 Posts: 116	Flame me please, I deserve it! I returned my battery to pepboys today stating they sold me a defective one (w/o a receipt nonetheless). They were nice enough to give me a new one free of charge. So I went home and actually read the instructions this time. Not only did I not top the acid off all the way (1st time) cuz I was late for work and in a rush, but I didn't let it sit the recommended hour or trickle charge it for 5hrs. I threw it in and took off. No wonder it only lasted 3 days.. Hopefully I didnt fry everything else trying to troubleshoot it, I'll let u kno tomorrow once I test it. From now on, I will do things right. That includes bleeding the coolant I topped off if the bike does start, getting my msf course and buying proper gear. Until then, tell me you told me so cuz a lot of you sure did and I didn't listen. As the English would say, Bollicks!

March 23rd, 2015, 10:06 AM	#49
propilot ninjette.org member Name: keV Location: NYC Join Date: Feb 2015 Motorcycle(s): 04 ex250 Posts: 116	So it's a no-go I'm about to throw the towel in and bring it to the stealership. I still get the tic-tac from solenoid. When i jump the starter directly, I don't get sparks anymore?? I also tried jump starting it and i got a faint growl. I tried it again and the back wheel just locked up and skidded to a halt. If i try again, same thing happens but if I wait 3-5min, I get that faint growl again and then back to locking the wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong but if the starter is fried, jump-starting it won't work. Is that correct?

March 23rd, 2015, 12:39 PM	#50
propilot ninjette.org member Name: keV Location: NYC Join Date: Feb 2015 Motorcycle(s): 04 ex250 Posts: 116	Well I tried one more test and now, I'm almost positive it's the starter. I cranked the bike while lightly tapping the starter w a hammer and it started squeaking and then a little smoke came out from underneath the starter. Something is definitely stuck in there. I'm gonna order a used one, drain all the fluids and swap it out and see if my luck will change.

March 24th, 2015, 01:24 PM	#51
propilot ninjette.org member Name: keV Location: NYC Join Date: Feb 2015 Motorcycle(s): 04 ex250 Posts: 116	Well, every time I do mechanic work, something usually goes wrong. Whether working on a scooter, car or bike. I'm always missing a tool, stripping a nut or fighting with rust or room to maneuver. But not today!! I drained the oil, coolant system, removed the water pipes, shift lever, engine sprocket cover, alternator cover, starter idler gear with shaft and the starter motor without any hiccups whatsoever. I didn't crack any hoses, loose any screws or curse. I even spared the alternator gasket and went the extra mile by lubing my chain and removing all the gunk that accumulated everywhere Couple pics of stator pulled out and the last one is my starter motor. One of the seals popped out and water leaked in causing the failure. New starter should be here on Friday. It's off an 05 with 7800miles on the clock. Paid $30 including shipping.

March 28th, 2015, 06:23 AM	#54
cookiebug79 n00b with the b00bs Name: Jen Location: Southern California Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2007 EX250, 2008 EX250, 2001 ZR-7S, 2010 ZX-6R Posts: 470	Congratulations! So happy for you!