Nearly smashed into the wall by a cager

[00NissanNinja]

My god... Have you ever had some cager simply just come over on you and just say f you pretty much? Because today I was just passing (was close to the front of his car so he could have easily seen me next to him) by a current gen gold toyota camry and the asshole started to come over on me as I saw him move slightly I laid my finger on my horn and then the asshole just continued to come over which pushed me into a turning lane with him towards the left. I started braking hard and locked my front brakes twice causing me to wobble but I instinctive remembered to let go of the fronts when that happens. Then I fishtailed a bit but caught that too, and what was really bad is I'm here trying to not get hit and this mofo is just kinda slowing down next to me as I'm trying to keep from getting myself and my bike f'ed up. just really

Excuse my language had to vent with the bikers

[kkim]

next time get his license plate # and call in a complaint to the police.

glad to hear you were able to keep it on two wheels.

in retrospect, could you have done anything differently to prevent this from ever happening again?

[bdavison]

Next time, leave a size 12 boot print in his door panel.

[kkim]

Originally Posted by bdavison

Next time, leave a size 12 boot print in his door panel.

hope you're not serious.

[bdavison]

Ask the folks that have size 12 boot prints in their door panels.

[kkim]

...then I'm surprised you're still alive to give this advice.

[Hadyn]

Was there enough space in front of you to accelerate past him?

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by bdavison

Ask the folks that have size 12 boot prints in their door panels.

I just don't know... guess I'll try to get far away from dedicated turning lanes and just blow by people that I'm passing instead of doing it somewhat leisurely. But I'm telling you I could look right at his face being right next to me as he came over. I was kinda wobbling a lot from the front locking up next time maybe i'll take my hatori hanzo out with me. Yeah I wanted to get his license number but he turned onto the highway immediately and there were two more bikers coming from the opposite direction so he cut them a little close to, but nothing the others couldn't handle.

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by Hadyn

Was there enough space in front of you to accelerate past him?

Well see this is what really makes me feel like he said f me cause like I said he kinda just stayed next to me, It was like he accelerated a bit more then came over and then continued to push me over. I would have accelerated past him but there was more traffic that was coming on the road, and people like to just go right through that little right turn triangle with the lane for you to turn through. It really aggrevates me that my bother can't have his license just cause of some speeding here and there (No accidents and never cut anybody off and he is much older than me) but some jackass who nearly kills me or f's me up can have his. Just baffling

[Blackwidow]

wow...a-hole is an understatement. its disrespectful drivers like that, that freak me out about the whole riding a bike thing. I'm so happy you're ok and it all turned out to be a scare.

Kelly, how would one get a license plate number down while riding on a bike?

[drumm3r9]

Man I've had similar experiences happen to me. I've come really close to j-socking some old ladies. The worst is when they look at you like its YOUR fault..............

[Betlog]

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

wow...a-hole is an understatement. its disrespectful drivers like that, that freak me out about the whole riding a bike thing. I'm so happy you're ok and it all turned out to be a scare.

Kelly, how would one get a license plate number down while riding on a bike?

Some riders ride with a video camera always on.

[bdavison]

I had some cellphone yacking SUV soccer mom look right at me, and then deliberatly pull over on top of me to try not to miss her left hand turn, which would have pushed me into opposing traffic...and yes, her SUV is now sporting a size 12 Joe Rocket boot print. I didnt have any other choice. I wasnt about to slam on the brakes and have the car behind me run me over...and there was no way I could have accelrated out of her way in time. After she realized I wasnt going to let her kill me, she returned to her lane, slowed down behing me, and then turned left...from the right hand lane....in front of a car behind me.

The way I look at it is this. Im in MY lane...its MY lane. And if you violate MY lane and threaten MY life...Ill take whatever aggressive action necessary to prevent you from killing me.

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by bdavison

I had some cellphone yacking SUV soccer mom look right at me, and then deliberatly pull over on top of me to try not to miss her left hand turn, which would have pushed me into opposing traffic...and yes, her SUV is now sporting a size 12 Joe Rocket boot print. I didnt have any other choice. I wasnt about to slam on the brakes and have the car behind me run me over...and there was no way I could have accelrated out of her way in time. After she realized I wasnt going to let her kill me, she returned to her lane, slowed down behing me, and then turned left...from the right hand lane....in front of a car behind me.

The way I look at it is this. Im in MY lane...its MY lane. And if you violate MY lane and threaten MY life...Ill take whatever aggressive action necessary to prevent you from killing me.

That is kind of what happened to me but this dude came over pretty quick like he just didn't give a damn

@drumm3r9 He kind of did give me one of those looks so I flipped him off when I got around him, then flipped him off some more when I got out of the intersection and he began to turn. If I see him again its on I'm good at remembering a multitude of cars

[FrugalNinja250]

Originally Posted by Betlog

Some riders ride with a video camera always
on.

I do, a ContourHD, but it's so wide-angle that its resolution isn't good enough for plates if they're more than a couple car lengths away. I work on memorizing them, can keep two separate numbers in my head long enough to write them down at my destination.

[bdavison]

I use a video cam too....A Kodak Zi8....unfortunatly this incident was before I got it, and was one of the reasons I did.

I need to use it more often though...its not always attached to my bike.

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

wow...a-hole is an understatement. its disrespectful drivers like that, that freak me out about the whole riding a bike thing. I'm so happy you're ok and it all turned out to be a scare.

Kelly, how would one get a license plate number down while riding on a bike?

Thanks! yeah the thoughts of these kinds of things bother me sometimes, but this geezer was an ass. Normally people recognize a mistake when they hear my horn but this person just didn't care. He really better hope I don't see him

A video cam huh? A while ago when I got that new ipod nano with the video camera I thought of driving around with a camera. How much would a good video camera be? Might have to get one in the future

[drowe531]

You can pull over right after the incident when it is safe and call the police then. That way is nice because everything is free in your mind. Hopefully Sailariel will see this and chime in, they encountered someone with serious road rage and called the cops right away.

[austexjg]

Carbon fiber knuckle protectors...

[CC Cowboy]

Give the driver a break. It's hard to text and pay attention.

Next time you do need to get a license plate number and call in a wreckless driver (attempted murder) complaint.

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by CC Cowboy

Give the driver a break. It's hard to text and pay attention.

Next time you do need to get a license plate number and call in a wreckless driver (attempted murder) complaint.

OMG I really really wanted to file charges against the mofo but the bastard got moving quick after I got from around him.

[bob706]

Slow down, speed up, lane split, just do what you have to do to put distance between you and the cage. From reading your account you should have downshift a few gears, go wot and let him read your plate number. Hard to tell without being there but glad to hear your ok.

[Blackwidow]

are you sure he saw you? I mean you called him a gizzar, maybe he just didn't see you...old people are hard of hearing and seeing, ya know?

[00NissanNinja]

Oh he wasn't that old just graying maybe like a 60 year old maybe, not frail

[Blackwidow]

though i'm not a big fan of people ruining others property, I have a friend that rides, and he tells me that the best investment he's made are a pair of nice steal toe boots. He drives in the downtown area alot, and people that live in South Cali know how hectic it gets during rush hour. he's been cut off so many times and gotten almost run over, so with his steal toe boots, he kicks peoples side mirrors in to teach them a lesson. Not sure how that may work for him, but i'm sure the people that don't look out for motorcycles will learn to after they have to invest in another side mirror.

[FrugalNinja250]

Around here, police attitude is that if you're not dead in the ditch then it didn't happen. They don't classify any incident that didn't involve physical contact as worth pursuing. I've even showed police video and they dismissed it out of hand. I mainly have the camera so that when they find my broken body in a ditch hopefully the camera will have who did it on video.

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

though i'm not a big fan of people ruining others property, I have a friend that rides, and he tells me that the best investment he's made are a pair of nice steal toe boots. He drives in the downtown area alot, and people that live in South Cali know how hectic it gets during rush hour. he's been cut off so many times and gotten almost run over, so with his steal toe boots, he kicks peoples side mirrors in to teach them a lesson. Not sure how that may work for him, but i'm sure the people that don't look out for motorcycles will learn to after they have to invest in another side mirror.

might be bringing window smashers now(don't know if a rock will do it maybe a hammer rack to my bike)

[kkim]

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

though i'm not a big fan of people ruining others property, I have a friend that rides, and he tells me that the best investment he's made are a pair of nice steal toe boots. He drives in the downtown area alot, and people that live in South Cali know how hectic it gets during rush hour. he's been cut off so many times and gotten almost run over, so with his steal toe boots, he kicks peoples side mirrors in to teach them a lesson. Not sure how that may work for him, but i'm sure the people that don't look out for motorcycles will learn to after they have to invest in another side mirror.

don't you guys (girls ) have enough road rage shootings/incidents that you need to add to it? Think about this... you're on a 300-400 lb motorcycle... they're in a 3000-4000 lb car. if things get out of hand, who do you think will win the battle of testosterone, even if it is some soccer mom driving like a prick?

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by FrugalNinja250

Around here, police attitude is that if you're not dead in the ditch then it didn't happen. They don't classify any incident that didn't involve physical contact as worth pursuing. I've even showed police video and they dismissed it out of hand. I mainly have the camera so that when they find my broken body in a ditch hopefully the camera will have who did it on video.

That is how I felt the police would view it too which is bs, police never do their job unless they are gonna be making money... sad
@ kkim yeah I feel that it is much easier for a cager to do damage to me than I can to them especially if I can't get away from them, I really just want to report the situation to the police

[Blackwidow]

Originally Posted by kkim

don't you guys (girls ) have enough road rage shootings/incidents that you need to add to it? Think about this... you're on a 300-400 lb motorcycle... they're in a 3000-4000 lb car. if things get out of hand, who do you think will win the battle of testosterone, even if it is some soccer mom driving like a prick?

hey! don't get mad at me...lol i'm against stuff like that, i'm a chicken when it comes to confrontation. the most i'd do is flip them off...

with LA you have no idea who you're dealing with, they can just take a gun out and shoot you over something so stupid. not worth it for me.

[Kitdog]

In Albuqueruque they have such a catch 22, its illegal to talk on your phone while driving in the city or in Santa Fe also, so you see the "report people talking on thier phones" signs around... But to make the report you need to CALL the police non emergency number!!! Risking getting a ticket for talking on your phone while driving!!!

[Ryosen11]

I try not to get in between a vehicle and a freeway exits/turning lanes/cross streets. I know turning lanes and cross streets are not as easy as you say but I try as much as I can. On the otherhand freeway offramps are much easier so I never position myself between a vehicle and an offramp. Unfortunately it's not uncommon those cell phone yakking/texting aholes decide to do last second exit/turn.

[gogoKawi]

I agree with kkim. You are going to lose against any car or truck. Best thing to do is avoid these situations as much as possible.

These are the laws I ride by:
Never ride next to a car. If possible, accelerate past the car. If not, leave enough room for a car to get over.
If you see someone talking on the phone, get away from them as quickly as possible.
If you see a soccer mom, haul arse!
On the highway, never be in a lane that merges with an on-ramp.
Tailgaters, let them pass.
Stay far, far away from seniors.
Never ride in the right lane, unless turning. You never know when someone needs to slam on the brakes to make a quick right turn.

All of this is compounded by the fact that we ride 250s. It's not like you can out run most cars. You will be in a really tough spot if someone wants to retaliate. Just avoid or keep on moving if you can.

[Kitdog]

I agree with Gogokawi, I ride by almost the same rules, I stick to the center lane on a 3 or more lane freeway if possible, avoid the wall side, on three lane roads I follow the same rule center lane gives 2 options of escape right or left. on two lane roads I ride in the right lane on the left side of the lane and never NEVER ride in a cars blind/death spot or allow a car to be in my blind/DEATH sopts. give yourself as many escapes as possible. you will never win vs a car and don't want to piss them off!

[00NissanNinja]

Thanks for the advice, I'm still a noob I guess. This is kind of why i need some experience people to ride with so I see how they ride and their techniques to avoid issues. I do try to follow those rules a lot like the MSF taught. But I guess I shouldn't waste any time if I'm going to pass someone. Lol and I just checked my bike and I see we traded a tiny bit of paint luckily it was just the ninja sticker, but its not that noticeable. Guess I will buff it out this weekend.

[Anteraan]

Originally Posted by gogoKawi

I agree with kkim. You are going to lose against any car or truck. Best thing to do is avoid these situations as much as possible.

These are the laws I ride by:
Never ride next to a car. If possible, accelerate past the car. If not, leave enough room for a car to get over.
If you see someone talking on the phone, get away from them as quickly as possible.
If you see a soccer mom, haul arse!
On the highway, never be in a lane that merges with an on-ramp.
Tailgaters, let them pass.
Stay far, far away from seniors.
Never ride in the right lane, unless turning. You never know when someone needs to slam on the brakes to make a quick right turn.

Well said on all points. However, the on-ramp lanes are the best lanes to use here in Indy, since no one else uses them. This response is certainly region-specific, however, and a good rule of thumb.

All of this is compounded by the fact that we ride 250s. It's not like you can out run most cars. You will be in a really tough spot if someone wants to retaliate. Just avoid or keep on moving if you can.

No better reason to ride a 600SS or liter bike!

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by gogoKawi

I agree with kkim. You are going to lose against any car or truck. Best thing to do is avoid these situations as much as possible.

These are the laws I ride by:
Never ride next to a car. If possible, accelerate past the car. If not, leave enough room for a car to get over.
If you see someone talking on the phone, get away from them as quickly as possible.
If you see a soccer mom, haul arse!
On the highway, never be in a lane that merges with an on-ramp.
Tailgaters, let them pass.
Stay far, far away from seniors.
Never ride in the right lane, unless turning. You never know when someone needs to slam on the brakes to make a quick right turn.

All of this is compounded by the fact that we ride 250s. It's not like you can out run most cars. You will be in a really tough spot if someone wants to retaliate. Just avoid or keep on moving if you can.

I agree with you. But I also have to admit, my boot has come in contact with a car a couple of times. Both times were in heavy traffic, and both times the vehicles were merging into my lane like I wasn't even there. Now I didn't kick hard enough to dent, but it did get the drivers attention.

[alex.s]

I would have to side on the non-contact direction of this topic... does kicking a door really make more noise than a horn? is it more recognizable to someone that they're encroaching on someone else's lane? is coming close enough to a cage to contact it with your foot really safe when they're coming towards you? i would think a horn + avoidance would be the best answer to inattentive drivers. i always try to stay in a safe spot away from side-traffic and blind-spots. stupid inattentive people will always be stupid and inattentive, no matter how many doors get kicked in. people who only use their mirrors to look will always only use their mirrors until they kill someone. just make sure you're not that someone!

perhaps a horn upgrade is in order!

[road_rascal]

I always ride with the attitude that everyone is ready and willing to run me over. That way I'm ready for any surprises. I try to ride so that I'm not in other cagers blind spots (which is sometimes hard to do in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic). I've resided to the fact that 98% of the driving public (at least in the USA) are complete morons and the only requirement for getting a license is having a heartbeat. I've had my Class A commercials license for over 18 years. People in cages are just plain dumb (not all, but most).

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by road_rascal

I always ride with the attitude that everyone is ready and willing to run me over.

Yep I'm going to have to ride with that mentality cause that mofo for sure was willing to run me over. I definitely try to stay out of other drivers blind spots even when I'm in my car so I'm somewhat used to trying my best to stay out of blind spots. It is very funny though how easily someone can get a license to drive. There is so little that a person has to do to pass its ridiculous to me. I'm going to have to plan my routes more too I guess so I can be sure to get out of these kinds of situations or avoid them all together by strategy