ninjette.org

Go Back   ninjette.org > General > Off-Topic

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 10th, 2018, 05:14 AM   #1
Alex
ninjette.org dude
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008

Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE, '15 CRF110F, '13 TT-R50E

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
SSD Drives are fast...

... he says obviously. It was time to upgrade my circa 2011 main PC, so am now running on a more modern i7 7700k, 32 GB, 1 TB NVMe SSD, mid-range video card. Not surprisingly, it's significantly faster and more responsive for just about everything compared to what I was using. Up and running from a cold start in seconds instead of minutes, it was transformative.

What was surprising to me, is the sheer improvement available by using a modern SSD drive in an older PC. The main PC becomes a hand-me-down to the kids, and when freshly rebuilt from a blank new SSD drive, it too is incredibly fast and responsive. So much so - that I'm not sure the difference in processor or RAM I just paid for was worth it. I probably would have been just fine with a storage upgrade for a few more years. In raw specs, the SSD on the new PC is reading at 2500+ MB/s (~25 Gb/s) from the M.2 port , while the one in the old PC is a standard SATA III which is limited to 6 Gb/s, or 600 MB/s, about a quarter as fast. But in practice, the difference is not really noticeable - boot times are similar, responsiveness is similar. File copying tasks within the PC at 600 MB/s are blazing fast, and any copying over the network to the NAS or other PCs isn't able to go any faster than 100 MB/s (1 Gb/s), so there's no difference there either.

In fact, the circa 2006 kids PC that was going to be a hand-me-down to either a recycling center or a spare in the attic, is now getting an SSD of its own to make it likely usable for a few more years. Other kid wants it to play with it, and there's no reason for me to say no.

500 GB drives are running at $140 at Amazon even without sales, so the price per GB is now more reasonable to use them for most general purpose storage on a PC.
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org

ninjette.org Terms of Service

Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first.

The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
Alex is offline   Reply With Quote




Old January 10th, 2018, 05:35 AM   #2
adouglas
Cat herder
 
adouglas's Avatar
 
Name: Gort
Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location
Join Date: May 2009

Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660

Posts: A lot.
Blog Entries: 6
MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13
My work laptop (MacBook Pro from probably 2011-2012) recently got an SSD upgrade and boot times are dramatically improved. Plus the battery lasts longer.

Home laptop (MacBook Pro, 2014) already has SSD in it. I recently upgraded to the new OS X, which has a revamped file system designed to take advantage of SSDs... and freed up a few dozen gigabytes of drive space simply by doing so.

Pretty cool.
__________________________________________________
I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12

Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est.
Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
adouglas is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 10th, 2018, 06:43 AM   #3
Zaph42
ninjette.org sage
 
Zaph42's Avatar
 
Name: John
Location: Appleton, WI
Join Date: Apr 2015

Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 (race), Ninja 1000 (road)

Posts: 504
Picked up an original Crucial 6gb/sec ssd about 8 years ago when they were fresh on the market. Windows 7 was the first MS os with ssd functionality built in. The Crucial ssd was $1K then hahah, but it was worth it. That pc is still screaming fast today. People never realize how transformative an ssd is to system performance.

I took my laptop which was kind of cheap and put a SSD in it and now the whole thing just seems to scream.

Of course I keep a separate traditional drive to store media on. You'll notice the higher end systems these days have two drives, one SSD for the OS and programs and the other for media storage.
__________________________________________________
Ninja 300 - CCS Ultralight Thunderbike Racing
I want to "like" your post but I can't due to forum rules. Sorry.
Zaph42 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 10th, 2018, 07:10 AM   #4
csmith12
The Corner Whisperer
 
csmith12's Avatar
 
Name: Chris (aka Reactor)
Location: Northern KY
Join Date: May 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track)

Posts: Too much.
MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13
Made the change a few years ago, never looked back. Glad the larger sizes are coming down in price.
csmith12 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 10th, 2018, 08:22 AM   #5
empire00
ninjette.org member
 
empire00's Avatar
 
Name: Sean
Location: Southern IL
Join Date: Feb 2009

Motorcycle(s): 2009 250r SE, 2015 FJ-09

Posts: 171
I swap everything over to SSD anymore. The only spinners I have running are for backups.
empire00 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 10th, 2018, 08:49 AM   #6
Alex
ninjette.org dude
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008

Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE, '15 CRF110F, '13 TT-R50E

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaph42 View Post
The Crucial ssd was $1K then hahah, but it was worth it.
Samsung will sell you a 4TB one for $1,500 if you still want to spend real money.
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org

ninjette.org Terms of Service

Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first.

The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
Alex is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 10th, 2018, 10:07 AM   #7
Triple Jim
Guy Who Enjoys Riding
 
Triple Jim's Avatar
 
Name: Jim
Location: North Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2016

Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '18, Aug '17, Aug '16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex View Post
Samsung will sell you a 4TB one for $1,500 if you still want to spend real money.
A terabyte is now about $250 at Newegg, so get six for that $1,500 price and set up RAID.
Triple Jim is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 10th, 2018, 05:11 PM   #8
MrAtom
.
 
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Aug 2014

Motorcycle(s): .

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - July '15
As an added benefit of technology improving over time, SSD's are much more reliable than they used to be:

https://techreport.com/review/27909/...heyre-all-dead

Another drive as a local backup is still a good idea, but it's already a good idea with mechanical drives, anyway.
MrAtom is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 11th, 2018, 01:30 PM   #9
CTarna
Ghost...
 
CTarna's Avatar
 
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Jan 2017

Motorcycle(s): .

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '17
As an IT guy, I concur that old PCs can be given new life with an SSD.
Samsungs even come with software to directly copy your old HDD to the new SDD.
Amazing!
CTarna is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 11th, 2018, 02:12 PM   #10
Alex
ninjette.org dude
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008

Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE, '15 CRF110F, '13 TT-R50E

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
Yep! (very) old PC is working great, and should be usable for a few more years. I didn't use any of the automated copy/transfer software for these, and just took it as an opportunity to start with fresh installs anyway. A tool can extract the windows key from existing environment, then can reinstall from scratch off a USB stick. I did realize that this machine doesn't have any wifi capability (thought it had an old one), so I need to get a few more gadgets popped on to it, as I can't easily run ethernet to the new location. There are cheap USB wifi adapters. But this box also doesn't have any USB 3.0 ports, so a small PCIe card with x5 3.0 ports will fix that issue. 2.0 would probably have been fine, but theoretically the wifi adapter can work at higher than USB 2.0 max bandwidth (480 Mb/s) with a strong connection, so USB 3.0 (5 Gb/s) will make sure it's not limited.
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org

ninjette.org Terms of Service

Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first.

The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
Alex is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 11th, 2018, 03:15 PM   #11
CTarna
Ghost...
 
CTarna's Avatar
 
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Jan 2017

Motorcycle(s): .

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '17
You MAY not experience true USB 3.0/3.1 performance with your older PC.

Quick glance: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewto...f=11&t=1183744

But, even a 2.0 USB wi-fi adapter will work just fine.
CTarna is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 11th, 2018, 03:58 PM   #12
Alex
ninjette.org dude
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008

Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE, '15 CRF110F, '13 TT-R50E

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
It will be close, but you're right, it should work well enough either way. It's a PCIe 1x card for the USB 3.0 ports, that will cap it at that 2 Gb/s, rather than 5 Gb/s of the theoretical USB 3.0 limit. The wifi card is 600 mb/s total peak throughput, only 433 mb/s though on a single 5 ghz band. Slightly more than the USB 2.0 limit, way less than the practical speed of this USB 3.0 card, way way less than the theoretical speed of a full 3.0/3.1 port.

And now I've realized I've spent way too much time worrying about silly specs on a 12 year old PC that isn't even my kid's primary machine....
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org

ninjette.org Terms of Service

Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first.

The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
Alex is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 14th, 2018, 01:00 PM   #13
Zaph42
ninjette.org sage
 
Zaph42's Avatar
 
Name: John
Location: Appleton, WI
Join Date: Apr 2015

Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 (race), Ninja 1000 (road)

Posts: 504
Sata3 6gb/s came into play around 2009. Back then I got a kick ass motherboard with sata3 and it's still my primary system and it's still fast by today's standards. I used to be a PC gamer but I switched to consoles to get off the upgrade train. After I did that, I never had to upgrade my computer again. I suppose eventually the electrolytic caps on the motherboard are going to start to go.

But upgrading a non-sata3 system that is older seems slower and problematic.
__________________________________________________
Ninja 300 - CCS Ultralight Thunderbike Racing
I want to "like" your post but I can't due to forum rules. Sorry.
Zaph42 is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 16th, 2018, 12:22 PM   #14
CTarna
Ghost...
 
CTarna's Avatar
 
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Jan 2017

Motorcycle(s): .

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '17
Thinking about upgrading to a new M.2 board, but can't justify it right now.
CTarna is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 16th, 2018, 07:57 PM   #15
JohnnyBravo
Certifiable nontundrum
 
JohnnyBravo's Avatar
 
Name: Harper
Location: NC Milkshake stand
Join Date: Mar 2013

Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300

Posts: Too much.
MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16
I don't know what y'all are yappin, but it sounds interesting
__________________________________________________
JohnnyBravo is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 22nd, 2018, 09:50 AM   #16
DannoXYZ
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: AKA JacRyann
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2011

Motorcycle(s): CB125T CBR250R-MC19 CBR250RR-MC22 NSR350R-MC21 VF500F CBR600RR SFV650 VFR750F R1M ST1300PA Valkyrie-F6C

Posts: A lot.
MOTY - 2018, MOTM - Nov '17
Just upgraded storage in our Aurora data centre with new Nimble 300TB all-SSD unit (4 trays). Migrated 200+ servers over this weekend and managed to saturate all 4x10gb interfaces! sucker's fast!

Personally I still prefer FC for storage interfaces. But youngins nowadays, they want simplicity of iSCSI, bah! Get off my lawn!!!
DannoXYZ is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 23rd, 2018, 10:30 AM   #17
Alex
ninjette.org dude
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008

Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE, '15 CRF110F, '13 TT-R50E

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
We went to all flash last year in main dc as well. Pricing got competitive faster than I had expected. Went from dozens and dozens of cabinets for storage down to less than a handful.

Started looking at low-end 10 Gb switches for home network, they are still too pricey. Looks like it will be a few years before replacing the 1 Gb switches and standard gig network adapters for the NAS & main PCs makes sense.
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org

ninjette.org Terms of Service

Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first.

The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
Alex is offline   Reply With Quote


Old January 31st, 2018, 12:38 PM   #18
tfkrocks
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
tfkrocks's Avatar
 
Name: Rebecca
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Sep 2009

Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 w/ ABS, 2014 NC700X, 2008 Ninja 250 (sold), 2002 Ninja 250 (sold)

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Jan '18, Sep '13
Switching to SSD was definitely life changing for me. I could never go back to a standard drive now for my personal computers. I might need to get a bigger one soon though.
__________________________________________________
My Ninja 300
tfkrocks is offline   Reply With Quote


Old April 10th, 2018, 02:41 PM   #19
Alex
ninjette.org dude
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008

Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE, '15 CRF110F, '13 TT-R50E

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
Swapped out the last PC that still needed a SSD yesterday. This was the first one that I did using the migration tools, rather than installing everything from scratch, as the machine was recently rebuilt and still pretty vanilla. The Samsung migration software worked exactly as designed, and it was a piece of cake. The SSD can be plugged right into a USB port with the right cable, and it dupes the existing drives onto the SSD. In this case, it was even reading from a RAID array of 2 drives, as one logical drive, and it had no trouble pointing to it and pulling everything over onto the SSD. After a few hours, I just yanked the power & data cables from the drives in the case, plugged the SSD in as the sole drive, and rebooted. It came up first try, no muss, no fuss.

Next project is to get some upgraded graphics cards in all generations of PCs around the house so we can have proper Fortnite battles. Most recent PC works great; the ones from a few years ago are passable, but would do well with an upgrade. The one from 2006 loads and works, but playing is very clunky. The recent XBox One controllers have standard bluetooth in them, so they can connect directly to a Win 10 PC with no cable or adapter needed.
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org

ninjette.org Terms of Service

Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first.

The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
Alex is offline   Reply With Quote


Old February 12th, 2019, 10:13 AM   #20
CTarna
Ghost...
 
CTarna's Avatar
 
Name: .
Location: .
Join Date: Jan 2017

Motorcycle(s): .

Posts: A lot.
MOTM - Oct '17
Upgraded 2 older PCs with SSDs and RAM, both for "customers".
They are now flying and good for at least another 3 years.


__________________________________________
"It is better to remain silent, and thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
--- ---

Last futzed with by CTarna; February 13th, 2019 at 04:58 PM.
CTarna is offline   Reply With Quote


0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
Old February 22nd, 2019, 12:52 AM   #21
Apex
Livin' the Minimoto Life
 
Apex's Avatar
 
Name: Mark
Location: Riding around in TX
Join Date: Mar 2009

Motorcycle(s): 2022 Honda Navi, 2018 Z-125 Pro

Posts: A lot.
I snagged a new MSI gaming laptop here. I have the SSD for my OS and applications, with a traditional spindle for the rest of the storage. It boots insanely fast and write times to the HDD isn't bad either.

I love this laptop. I use this one for my IT stuff I'm doing right now. Running VM's and several linux items with some windows server stuff to mess with.
__________________________________________________
--- My IG Page --- My FB page! ---

2022 Honda Navi && 2018 Z-125 Pro
Apex is offline   Reply With Quote


Old February 23rd, 2019, 01:47 AM   #22
Alex
ninjette.org dude
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Name: 1 guess :-)
Location: SF Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2008

Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE, '15 CRF110F, '13 TT-R50E

Posts: Too much.
Blog Entries: 7
And the good news is that pricing is now about half what it was a year ago when I started this thread. 500 MB Samsung 860 EVO is $75 now! 1 TB for < $150.
__________________________________________________
Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org

ninjette.org Terms of Service

Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first.

The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)
Alex is offline   Reply With Quote


Old February 23rd, 2019, 08:10 AM   #23
Bigballsofpaint
ninjette.org certified postwhore
 
Name: Jay
Location: CT
Join Date: Apr 2011

Motorcycle(s): 2015 636 ABS - 69 Honda 305

Posts: A lot.
I put my windows and what not on an SSD for my boot times, i still have 1TB and 500GB hard drives though for all the other stuff.
__________________________________________________
Current - 2015 30th Anniversary Ninja 636 ABS - 1969 Honda 305 Scrambler
Previously - 2011 Ninja 1000, 2008 Ducati 848, 2011 Ninja 250 SE
Bigballsofpaint is offline   Reply With Quote


Reply




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FS: 120gb SSD (seattle area) Insan3guy Miscellaneous 0 November 19th, 2013 09:53 PM
need SSD suggestions for laptop lolibater Off-Topic 11 November 17th, 2012 01:21 PM


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Motorcycle Safety Foundation

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:21 AM.


Website uptime monitoring Host-tracker.com
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Except where otherwise noted, all site contents are © Copyright 2022 ninjette.org, All rights reserved.