How can I fix this?

the big mike · August 20th, 2011, 02:55 PM

I wanted to remove the chrome cover right in front of the exhaust. The upper allen bolt was hard to remove, but no problem. The lower allen bolt was so damn hard that I deformed it and the tool is just turning loose in it. Someone know what to do?

scotty · August 20th, 2011, 03:07 PM

Could grind it off?

jdoucet93 · August 20th, 2011, 03:16 PM

yeah man if you arent planning on putting it back on for any reason, just cut it. just get in there and grind the bolt head down. this will damage the cover though. if you are planning on keeping the cover and possibly reusing it, you could try drilling the bolt out.

the big mike · August 20th, 2011, 03:20 PM

yeah, I do plan on reusing it

I was hoping there would be some magical trick to solve this but clearly there is not

Ok than, drilling it will be. thx

alex.s · August 20th, 2011, 03:28 PM

not sure it helps but mine was taken off by a bush

jdoucet93 · August 20th, 2011, 03:29 PM

i mean these are just cheap solutions, they do make a tool that looks like a socket wrench but instead of an opening to fit a bolt/nut, it has a whole bunch of very small spring loaded pins that when pressed onto an object, will conform to whatever shape that may be. (including the inside of a stripped hex bolt) if you dont want to start drilling into stuff, you may want to look at that. ill go see if i can hunt down a link to one.

jdoucet93 · August 20th, 2011, 03:33 PM

oh yeah, i forgot about these,
http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8530P-Gr...3879499&sr=8-3

you put it in a drill, and it drills out the center of the bolt, then rethreads it, then the last tool grabs the new threads and presto! out comes the stripped bolt

the big mike · August 20th, 2011, 03:40 PM

wow, I never heard of that before. What a peaceful way to remove a bolt. I'll look in to that right away.

Thanks a lot

jdoucet93 · August 20th, 2011, 03:44 PM

not a problem, friend.

Felipe the Ant · August 20th, 2011, 04:17 PM

If you can get a grip on enough of it you can try some vice grips, clamp it hard to deform it and then twist it out

the big mike · August 20th, 2011, 04:24 PM

I just ordered the master extractor kit (10 piece) from thegrabitstore.com

I wonder how long I'll have to wait for it to arrive since it's my first intercontinental order

Cuongism · August 20th, 2011, 04:45 PM

Have you checked in a hardware store for them? All the major chains here (Home Depot, Lowe's, etc) sell them. Not sure what you have in Belgium though.

Skippii · August 20th, 2011, 05:03 PM

Here's what I do:

Glue one of these onto the damaged bolt/screw/whatever.

Weld inside the hole on the nut, filling it up with filler metal. Let it cool.

Remove the bolt with a socket wrench or box wrench. It'll actually come of very easily now, because the heat from welding it will unstick it.

Which brings me to another point--I know it's too late now, but next time, apply both penetrating lube and HEAT. Soak it in WD40 or similar, and hit it with a blowtorch.

I've had some bolts that absolutely would not budge, bending and stripping my sockets, but once I had the whole assembly glowing a nice red color, they came apart pretty easily.

NOTE-- just in case you don't think things through on your own:
Don't try this on painted parts. Don't try this on gas tanks or plastic parts. Don't try to spray WD40 around a flaming blowtorch.

the big mike · August 20th, 2011, 05:05 PM

most sites offer the 10 piece kit between 70 and 110 USD, while on thegrabitstore I only paid 56 USD, that makes 39 euros.

I am way to lazy to go out and look for something that I most probably won't find for less than those 56 USD

moreover, it seems like a good investment that I will be able to use for the rest of my life

the big mike · August 20th, 2011, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippii

Here's what I do:

Glue one of these onto the damaged bolt/screw/whatever. Weld inside the hole on the nut, filling it up with filler metal. Let it cool.

Remove the bolt with a socket wrench or box wrench. It'll actually come of very easily now, because the heat from welding it will unstick it.

Which brings me to another point--I know it's too late now, but next time, apply both penetrating lube and HEAT. Soak it in WD40 or similar, and hit it with a blowtorch.

I've had some bolts that absolutely would not budge, bending and stripping my sockets, but once I had the whole assembly glowing a nice red color, they came apart pretty easily.

NOTE-- just in case you don't think things through on your own:
Don't try this on painted parts. Don't try this on gas tanks or plastic parts. Don't try to spray WD40 around a flaming blowtorch.

Although I believe this actually works, I feel bad having to use such drastic methods.

But if those tools don't work, I may be following this DIY

Skippii · August 20th, 2011, 09:29 PM

My post probably makes more sense now that I've actually included the image.

FWIW, I bought this $7.99 set a few months ago to remove a broken bolt on my Ninja.
http://www.harborfreight.com/12-piec...set-40349.html
Many hours of trying later, I STILL haven't gotten that bolt removed.

That's a really awkward bolt, though. It's in the engine case, broken off half an inch below the surface. Since accessing it means removing the exhaust pipe heads, draining the coolant, and removing the radiator, I got really bored with the downtime after the first few attempts and now I just ignore it.

Clearlynotstefan · August 20th, 2011, 10:56 PM

Just a heads up, those grab-it removers suck.

jdoucet93 · August 25th, 2011, 10:21 AM

just a heads up, if you do end up needing to damage the cover to get it off, I'm changing my exhaust in the next couple of weeks and won't be needing my cover any longer and wouldn't mind giving it to you. PM if you'd be interested.

Alex · August 25th, 2011, 10:23 AM

/moved to new-gen tech

August 20th, 2011, 03:07 PM	#2
scotty ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Scott Location: Carlise Ohio Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): Yahama v star 650 classic Posts: A lot.	Could grind it off? __________________________________________________

August 20th, 2011, 03:20 PM	#4
the big mike ninjette.org sage Name: Michael Location: Belgium Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, Fazer8 Posts: 580	yeah, I do plan on reusing it I was hoping there would be some magical trick to solve this but clearly there is not Ok than, drilling it will be. thx __________________________________________________ I can not be a true player by playing around.

August 20th, 2011, 03:28 PM	#5
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	not sure it helps but mine was taken off by a bush __________________________________________________

August 20th, 2011, 03:40 PM	#8
the big mike ninjette.org sage Name: Michael Location: Belgium Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, Fazer8 Posts: 580	wow, I never heard of that before. What a peaceful way to remove a bolt. I'll look in to that right away. Thanks a lot __________________________________________________ I can not be a true player by playing around.

August 20th, 2011, 04:24 PM	#11
the big mike ninjette.org sage Name: Michael Location: Belgium Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, Fazer8 Posts: 580	I just ordered the master extractor kit (10 piece) from thegrabitstore.com I wonder how long I'll have to wait for it to arrive since it's my first intercontinental order __________________________________________________ I can not be a true player by playing around.

August 20th, 2011, 03:16 PM	#3
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	yeah man if you arent planning on putting it back on for any reason, just cut it. just get in there and grind the bolt head down. this will damage the cover though. if you are planning on keeping the cover and possibly reusing it, you could try drilling the bolt out.

August 20th, 2011, 03:29 PM	#6
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	i mean these are just cheap solutions, they do make a tool that looks like a socket wrench but instead of an opening to fit a bolt/nut, it has a whole bunch of very small spring loaded pins that when pressed onto an object, will conform to whatever shape that may be. (including the inside of a stripped hex bolt) if you dont want to start drilling into stuff, you may want to look at that. ill go see if i can hunt down a link to one.

August 20th, 2011, 03:33 PM	#7
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	oh yeah, i forgot about these, http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8530P-Gr...3879499&sr=8-3 you put it in a drill, and it drills out the center of the bolt, then rethreads it, then the last tool grabs the new threads and presto! out comes the stripped bolt

August 20th, 2011, 03:44 PM	#9
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	not a problem, friend.

August 20th, 2011, 04:17 PM	#10
Felipe the Ant ninjette.org sage Name: . Location: . Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R SE GREEN! Posts: 562	If you can get a grip on enough of it you can try some vice grips, clamp it hard to deform it and then twist it out

August 20th, 2011, 04:45 PM	#12
Cuongism ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cuong Location: San Diego Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, 2007 Daytona 675 Posts: A lot.	Have you checked in a hardware store for them? All the major chains here (Home Depot, Lowe's, etc) sell them. Not sure what you have in Belgium though.

August 20th, 2011, 05:03 PM	#13
Skippii Milkshake Drinker Name: Skippii Location: Richmond, Va Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Orange DRZ400-S, 2005 Ninja 250 & Custom Thundercunt Dirt Chopper Posts: A lot.	Here's what I do: Glue one of these onto the damaged bolt/screw/whatever. Weld inside the hole on the nut, filling it up with filler metal. Let it cool. Remove the bolt with a socket wrench or box wrench. It'll actually come of very easily now, because the heat from welding it will unstick it. Which brings me to another point--I know it's too late now, but next time, apply both penetrating lube and HEAT. Soak it in WD40 or similar, and hit it with a blowtorch. I've had some bolts that absolutely would not budge, bending and stripping my sockets, but once I had the whole assembly glowing a nice red color, they came apart pretty easily. NOTE-- just in case you don't think things through on your own: Don't try this on painted parts. Don't try this on gas tanks or plastic parts. Don't try to spray WD40 around a flaming blowtorch. __________________________________________________ "What a sweetheart."- ninja_sleeper to me Last futzed with by Skippii; August 20th, 2011 at 09:22 PM.

August 20th, 2011, 05:05 PM	#14
the big mike ninjette.org sage Name: Michael Location: Belgium Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, Fazer8 Posts: 580	most sites offer the 10 piece kit between 70 and 110 USD, while on thegrabitstore I only paid 56 USD, that makes 39 euros. I am way to lazy to go out and look for something that I most probably won't find for less than those 56 USD moreover, it seems like a good investment that I will be able to use for the rest of my life __________________________________________________ I can not be a true player by playing around.

August 20th, 2011, 09:29 PM	#16
Skippii Milkshake Drinker Name: Skippii Location: Richmond, Va Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Orange DRZ400-S, 2005 Ninja 250 & Custom Thundercunt Dirt Chopper Posts: A lot.	My post probably makes more sense now that I've actually included the image. FWIW, I bought this $7.99 set a few months ago to remove a broken bolt on my Ninja. http://www.harborfreight.com/12-piec...set-40349.html Many hours of trying later, I STILL haven't gotten that bolt removed. That's a really awkward bolt, though. It's in the engine case, broken off half an inch below the surface. Since accessing it means removing the exhaust pipe heads, draining the coolant, and removing the radiator, I got really bored with the downtime after the first few attempts and now I just ignore it. __________________________________________________ "What a sweetheart."- ninja_sleeper to me

August 20th, 2011, 10:56 PM	#17
Clearlynotstefan ninjette.org member Name: Stefan Location: Riverhead, Long Island, New York Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2000 Ninja 250, Totally black. Gsxr 600 Red. Posts: 179	Just a heads up, those grab-it removers suck.

August 25th, 2011, 10:21 AM	#18
jdoucet93 ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Lafayette Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 509	just a heads up, if you do end up needing to damage the cover to get it off, I'm changing my exhaust in the next couple of weeks and won't be needing my cover any longer and wouldn't mind giving it to you. PM if you'd be interested.

August 25th, 2011, 10:23 AM	#19
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