January 22nd, 2022, 09:37 PM | #1 |
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Wheel Balance Question
I bought a new set of tires for my ninja. I was wondering if I balance the tires with the sprocket, rotors, cush drive on the wheels or should I remove them first? I hope I leave them on...lol
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January 22nd, 2022, 10:42 PM | #2 | |
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January 23rd, 2022, 06:10 AM | #3 |
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I got the Kenda K671 Cruiser ST front and rear. 130/90/16 & 100/90/16. Will I have to raise my front fender since I went up to a "90" ??
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January 23rd, 2022, 07:35 AM | #4 |
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January 23rd, 2022, 01:13 PM | #5 |
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Rotor can stay. As Singh2jz mentioned, sprocket, carrier & cush-drive are all attached, so can be removed easily or left on, doesn't matter. These components have low polar moment-of-inertia due to being close to hub. They don't move as quicky as rim & tyre, so won't affect balance much either way.
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January 23rd, 2022, 01:30 PM | #6 |
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Even though it's not a big deal, I'd pull out the sprocket and cush-drive, since nothing is really holding it perfectly centered once the axle is out. If nothing else it'll keep the sprocket from hitting the concrete floor or your foot, teeth first, as you work on the wheel.
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January 25th, 2022, 12:35 PM | #7 |
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What about balancing beads. Does anyone have experience with these?
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January 25th, 2022, 12:57 PM | #8 | |
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Don't over-think it... some of us don't bother with fully balancing wheels anymore I have used beads in the past, just so you know I'm not talking $hit. I bet they do something, but I certainly didn't see the need for them. I didn't notice any difference in tire wear/longevity or handling.
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January 25th, 2022, 01:02 PM | #9 | |
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Trick to getting balance done with minimal weights is to measure wheel and balance it out by itself first. Very rarely is heavy spot actually at valve-stem. Assuming that would cause major imbalance and large amounts of weights used in many cases. At very least, mark actual heavy-spot of wheel 1st. For example: |
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January 25th, 2022, 01:15 PM | #10 | |
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Since then I check them all when I mount them, and almost always need to add some weight to get them right. It's a lot easier to balance a wheel while it's off than to have to remove it later when it vibrates. |
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January 25th, 2022, 01:57 PM | #11 |
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I'm sure different tire manufacturers have a lot to do with it. I've been running Pirellis on my Suzuki for the past several years and I generally just move the one or two wheel weights I have on the front wheel to wherever my static balancer tells me to. I quit using wheel weights on the rear wheel when I stopped being able to locate a consistent heavy spot. I get it as close as I feel like messing with, then take the bike out and run it up to illegal speeds: so long as it doesn't shake I'm good with it, and it's been super smooth after every tire change.
I put Michelins on the 250 last Summer and didn't add weights to either wheel. It's fine.
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January 25th, 2022, 07:49 PM | #12 |
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Balancing beads ? We put them in a car tire back in the 1970's and it actually worked real well we had one tire that was way out of balance and so we thought we'd try that ... it was easy right ?
it turns out that the first 2 or 3 miles it would shake like a banshee till it got up to speed then when you stopped at a stop sign you had to go through the whole thing all over again.... OBVIOUSLY that wasn't worth having on the car so after 2 or 3 trips to town I pulled the tire and took the tire off and got the beads out of there.... I had made my own tire changer and was more than happy to do the job just to see how nice my tire changer worked !... anyway....of the cup of beads that i put in there i got out about 3/4 of a cup and a bunch of lead dust.... and a whole lot of rubber ! we never did that again ..... incidentally, upon removing the tire the last time I discovered a really long wheel weight on the back side of the rim I pulled it off and put the tire back on and it didn't shake after that ! LOL.... .... I don't remember exactly where we bought those beads but you had to take the tire off one side of the rim to put them in there then put the tire back on that side and air it up.... it did work, but you had to go through the shaking every time you stopped again and again ! .... it was silly ! .... I do hope those are not the same Tire balancing Beads that we used...because they should be banned for use on the highway ! .... I used that home made tire changer for 40 years ! I even had a seperate post and lever to brake down the beads on the tires.... but with lots of soap and water I could put on 4 new tires in about 45 minutes ! ..... balancing them was another story..... never made a balancer for the cars that was one of those " I'll get around to it" things ! and never did ! LOL .... Bob......
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Michelin doesn't even mark their tyres with yellow/red dots because they claim its such high-quality construction that no balancing is needed! So far I've found they're mostly good on that claim with extremely small amounts of weights needed. Much less than any other brand.
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January 26th, 2022, 09:56 AM | #14 |
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why not just use Balancing Beads 1oz in front and 2oz in the rear
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January 26th, 2022, 10:18 AM | #15 | |
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.... we were driving to town one time with the beads in that tire and hit a chuck hole about 10 miles from home and it must have been a just right hit on the tire because it started shaking real bad again for a few miles...if finally was perfectly balanced again and we could speed up .... but about 40 mph was tops when it was shaking badly .... it just doesn't work ! ..... Bob......
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January 26th, 2022, 11:26 AM | #16 | |
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Also balance beads or centramatic balance rings the tires remain in balance from day one until you replace them |
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