[hell for leather] - New Jersey gets serious about motorcycle safety

Ninjette Newsbot · February 4th, 2011, 05:01 PM

There’s a host of motorcycle safety laws that’ve been rolled out nationwide recently. Oregon is mandating MSF-style training for all new riders by 2015, California now requires under 21s to complete an MSF class and Utah only allows you to operate a motorcycle as large as the one you test on. Now New Jersey is [...]

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DaBlue1 · February 5th, 2011, 02:01 PM

I guess before long every state will have some sort of safety class requirement. New Jersey is wasting no time changing some of their motorcycle laws. Last August they no longer have a requirement to to have a State Inspection. They are making it the owner's responsibility to make sure their motorcycles are free from mechanical defects and are operating properly.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/sta...orcycle-riders

revstriker · February 5th, 2011, 05:02 PM

Not sure I agree with the tiered licensing. It gives the impression that you are somehow safer on a smaller CC'd bike which is not true. I have no problem with the mandatory MSF classes though, in fact, I think they should redefine them and make them longer and include actual road training.

gogoKawi · February 5th, 2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by revstriker

I think they should redefine them and make them longer and include actual road training.

Totally agree. Road training should be a requirement. I think MSF just doesn't want the liability associated with road training. To have someone go down on the road under their watch would be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Bear on a bicycle · February 5th, 2011, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revstriker

Not sure I agree with the tiered licensing. It gives the impression that you are somehow safer on a smaller CC'd bike which is not true. I have no problem with the mandatory MSF classes though, in fact, I think they should redefine them and make them longer and include actual road training.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gogoKawi

Totally agree. Road training should be a requirement. I think MSF just doesn't want the liability associated with road training. To have someone go down on the road under their watch would be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I agree!!

eddiekay · February 5th, 2011, 08:17 PM

Tiered licensing sounds good because so few of us understand it's purpose. First...never ever done to protect anyone but the State. Here's how it works: the State endorses the operation of MC's by individuals who have met State requirements for said operation...therefore..the State can be argued as having some responsibility for those endorsed as MC drivers..
OK...MC driver gets in accident, has no insurance or not enough insurance to cover loss. Some body has to get paid...somebody has to sue somebody and the lawyers turn to the State....becuz...after all...it was the State who let them on the road in the first place.
The State doesnt like this but cant just revoke all MC licenses...cuz they need to get re-elected but they can make it more difficult to become a MC operator.....enter Tiered Licensing. And when even that is not enough, they can make the tiers so diffcult or expensive to meet that, in effect, they put an end to MC licensing and those pesky lil' lawsuits.
It's not about protecting the puiblic...it's about protecting the State from lawsuits....IMHO

sombo · February 5th, 2011, 10:56 PM

Personally I agree with tiered licensing. Many other countries have been using those systems for years and have tons less problems with bikes then the US does. Also think of this, most of the best racers in the world will tell you that they started small. Racing small bikes and working up getting better and better. The other thing it does is removes the peer pressure about having to get the bike your buddies have even though you were no where near ready for it. It will help to pop the egos of the ultra-macho that think you need big or nothing else to have fun. There's tons of advantages to tiered systems IMHO.

It will also help bring in more small bike types to the US market and create more competition.

JMcDonald · February 6th, 2011, 10:37 AM

IMO, it is largely the attitudes, not the bikes, that cause the problems. Starting on an R1 is dangerous. But, the person who thinks he can start on an R1 is also the person who doesn't take gear, practice, or safety seriously, and is in fact himself the primary problem. Tiered licensing would, however, by forcing people to start on smaller bikes, help foster a more positive attitude toward them. That, in turn, will help people to better appreciate the actual "riding" part of MCing, instead of just "who had the baddest, most powerful machine in the parking lot."

Bleak21 · February 6th, 2011, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddiekay

Tiered licensing sounds good because so few of us understand it's purpose. First...never ever done to protect anyone but the State. Here's how it works: the State endorses the operation of MC's by individuals who have met State requirements for said operation...therefore..the State can be argued as having some responsibility for those endorsed as MC drivers..
OK...MC driver gets in accident, has no insurance or not enough insurance to cover loss. Some body has to get paid...somebody has to sue somebody and the lawyers turn to the State....becuz...after all...it was the State who let them on the road in the first place.
The State doesnt like this but cant just revoke all MC licenses...cuz they need to get re-elected but they can make it more difficult to become a MC operator.....enter Tiered Licensing. And when even that is not enough, they can make the tiers so diffcult or expensive to meet that, in effect, they put an end to MC licensing and those pesky lil' lawsuits.
It's not about protecting the puiblic...it's about protecting the State from lawsuits....IMHO

QFT, mostly. If you live in NJ you know how much insurance companies run this state like their cotton plantation. Control, control, control because of so many densely populated people (customers) but mostly for those other mysterious groups pulling the strings (investors).

FrugalNinja250 · February 7th, 2011, 11:25 AM

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February 5th, 2011, 02:01 PM	#2
DaBlue1 Long Time Rider Name: Blue Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	I guess before long every state will have some sort of safety class requirement. New Jersey is wasting no time changing some of their motorcycle laws. Last August they no longer have a requirement to to have a State Inspection. They are making it the owner's responsibility to make sure their motorcycles are free from mechanical defects and are operating properly. http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/sta...orcycle-riders

February 5th, 2011, 05:02 PM	#3
revstriker ninjette.org sage Name: Scott Location: DFW TX Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja zx6r Posts: 609	Not sure I agree with the tiered licensing. It gives the impression that you are somehow safer on a smaller CC'd bike which is not true. I have no problem with the mandatory MSF classes though, in fact, I think they should redefine them and make them longer and include actual road training.

February 5th, 2011, 08:17 PM	#6
eddiekay ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: eddie Location: Lawnguylind Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 300, WeeStrom Posts: A lot.	Tiered licensing sounds good because so few of us understand it's purpose. First...never ever done to protect anyone but the State. Here's how it works: the State endorses the operation of MC's by individuals who have met State requirements for said operation...therefore..the State can be argued as having some responsibility for those endorsed as MC drivers.. OK...MC driver gets in accident, has no insurance or not enough insurance to cover loss. Some body has to get paid...somebody has to sue somebody and the lawyers turn to the State....becuz...after all...it was the State who let them on the road in the first place. The State doesnt like this but cant just revoke all MC licenses...cuz they need to get re-elected but they can make it more difficult to become a MC operator.....enter Tiered Licensing. And when even that is not enough, they can make the tiers so diffcult or expensive to meet that, in effect, they put an end to MC licensing and those pesky lil' lawsuits. It's not about protecting the puiblic...it's about protecting the State from lawsuits....IMHO

February 5th, 2011, 10:56 PM	#7
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	Personally I agree with tiered licensing. Many other countries have been using those systems for years and have tons less problems with bikes then the US does. Also think of this, most of the best racers in the world will tell you that they started small. Racing small bikes and working up getting better and better. The other thing it does is removes the peer pressure about having to get the bike your buddies have even though you were no where near ready for it. It will help to pop the egos of the ultra-macho that think you need big or nothing else to have fun. There's tons of advantages to tiered systems IMHO. It will also help bring in more small bike types to the US market and create more competition.

February 7th, 2011, 11:25 AM	#10
FrugalNinja250 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Frugal Location: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) Join Date: Mar 2010 Motorcycle(s): Several Posts: A lot.	My only comment is that the newsbot (or anyone else for that matter) shouldn't post links to stories that you can't read without a subscription. I have no interest in subscribing to this magazine just to read the story.