Bar end screw kicking my A$$

WOTurtle · September 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM

ok, so i dropped my ninja on its right side and it bent the right handlebar down and slid for a while.

i have a #3 screwdriver and have heated the bolt and it still rounded the screw out.

how can i get this thing out????

i want to ride my ninjaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kkim · September 16th, 2010, 04:27 PM

keep on heating it with the torch and try using an impact driver to get them out.

how long did you heat the bolt? If I remember correctly, it takes quite a bit of heat to break down the red loctite they use on them.

2WheelGuy · September 16th, 2010, 04:28 PM

It takes a lot of heat and an impact driver to get those screws out.

If you've already rounded the screw head your only choice is to drill. Get a drill slightly larger than the screw bolt and drill straight in. Once you remove the head you can remove the end weight. There will be enough bolt left to grab with vice-grips and again use a lot of heat.

When/if you replace the end weight use Blue Loctite instead of the Red that they use at the factory.

austexjg · September 16th, 2010, 04:44 PM

I did the same thing - have not tried to drill it out though. I am not looking forward to the process either - might try it when the weather cools down.

arcman · September 17th, 2010, 01:42 AM

Oh, and put HEX bolts on instead of Philips afterwards...much easier to change later on (heated grips etc).

++1 blue loctite.

A.

johnjohn · September 17th, 2010, 03:51 AM

Allen bolts are a better option.

demp · September 17th, 2010, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2WheelGuy

It takes a lot of heat and an impact driver to get those screws out.

If you've already rounded the screw head your only choice is to drill. Get a drill slightly larger than the screw bolt and drill straight in. Once you remove the head you can remove the end weight. There will be enough bolt left to grab with vice-grips and again use a lot of heat.

When/if you replace the end weight use Blue Loctite instead of the Red that they use at the factory.

Those bar ends are ridiculous, but I think Craig's got the right idea. I'd follow his advice and try drilling off the screw head.

bob138 · September 17th, 2010, 06:39 AM

I did this recently to straighten my left bar.

I used a heat gun and an electric drill. Set the drill on low, heat for a bit and then try to hit it with the drill. Just goose the drill to see if it starts to spin, on low it should just bog down until it starts to spin.

Worked like a charm on both sides. But the heat gun, or torch is the important part. Once you break down the loctite it's easy.

Bob

jApOrMs · September 17th, 2010, 07:02 PM

cheaper alternative to impact driver is ratchet wrench and put in a screw driver bit and heat it up with a small torch. heat it up for 3min and use ur ratchet wrench/screw driver.

WOTurtle · September 22nd, 2010, 06:31 PM

The secret really is heat, we cooked it really good with a small butane torch and it came out with a regular screwdriver even though the screw was all farked up.
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CZroe · September 23rd, 2010, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOTurtle

The secret really is heat, we cooked it really good with a small butane torch and it came out with a regular screwdriver even though the screw was all farked up.
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I hope mine works. I don't have anything but a screwdriver and a $3 "pencil torch" from Harbor Freight (it is butane). How long did you have to roast it?

I think I need to order some JIS drivers.

Cuongism · September 23rd, 2010, 10:27 AM

Hey Jet, my offer is still on the table if you need help. Phillips #3 should work.

WOTurtle · September 23rd, 2010, 10:57 AM

I heated the screw ONLY for about two and a half or three minutes and it came right out.

But now that I've fixed that problem, I have come upon another, my front wheel seems to be out of alignment a bit. It doesn't wobble, or vibrate when I ride, it just looks cocked ever so slightly. Can a shop fix this? I don't want to pay 500 for a new front wheel.
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FrugalNinja250 · September 23rd, 2010, 11:10 AM

If the wheel spins true, i.e. no side to side wobble, then the alignment issue is in the fork/triple clamp assembly. If neither are bent then it's fairly easy to loosen things up and realign everything.

headshrink · September 23rd, 2010, 02:13 PM

I don't know why I didn't think about this when filling out the survey from Kawi, but it would have been good to mention the evils of using RED loctite on the barends.

CZroe · September 23rd, 2010, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuongism

Hey Jet, my offer is still on the table if you need help. Phillips #3 should work.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that when I saw that the torches were so cheap.

No one mentioned at that point that you might need BOTH the torch AND an impact wrench or ratchet driver. I later asked but finally found my answer elsewhere (some people reportedly do need both).

JoeLansing · June 15th, 2011, 05:02 PM

You guys aren't kidding about that bar end screw! I just had my first session on it. I heated it and put a pipe wrench on a big #3 screwdriver. The shaft stripped out of the screwdriver handle. I don't have real air tools. I'll try a socket solution on it for round #2.
- Joe

CZroe · June 15th, 2011, 05:46 PM

What allen/hex bolts fit flushly with the conical shape in the bar end?

headshrink · June 15th, 2011, 06:45 PM

Great excuse to a fancy new tool

greatwhiteninja · June 15th, 2011, 07:38 PM

i just replaced mine today with some spike bar ends.. man they are on there! i used a 1/4" drill bit and just drilled into the phillips screw until the head fell off.. then the bar end slid off, used a pair of vicegrips to pull the threaded part out of the handle bar.. what a pita! had a ton of red threadlocker on the stock barends.
heres the end result of the stock barends.

Kevin2109 · June 15th, 2011, 10:27 PM

Thats brutal! I'm glad I got mine were already switched when I got my bike

Liquidtoon · June 15th, 2011, 11:13 PM

After seeing that I feel bad for you I got mine out in about 10 mins. grabbed a #3 phillips tossed a large crescent wrench on the handle for leverage and popped them right off.

taikahn · June 16th, 2011, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquidtoon

After seeing that I feel bad for you I got mine out in about 10 mins. grabbed a #3 phillips tossed a large crescent wrench on the handle for leverage and popped them right off.

^exactly.

greatwhiteninja · June 16th, 2011, 07:18 AM

i broke 2 phillips bits before deciding to just drill them out..loL! drilling them was pretty easy, took about 15mins start to end.

September 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM	#1
WOTurtle ninjette.org member Name: Ian Location: Columbia, SC Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09' 250 ARRRRRR Posts: 130	Bar end screw kicking my A$$ ok, so i dropped my ninja on its right side and it bent the right handlebar down and slid for a while. i have a #3 screwdriver and have heated the bolt and it still rounded the screw out. how can i get this thing out???? i want to ride my ninjaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

September 17th, 2010, 07:02 PM	#9
jApOrMs ninjette.org member Name: jashobeam Location: indiana Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 ninja 250 Posts: 36	cheaper alternative to impact driver is ratchet wrench and put in a screw driver bit and heat it up with a small torch. heat it up for 3min and use ur ratchet wrench/screw driver. __________________________________________________ Sportisi Jet Kit (#100 Jet),Sportisi VR6 Full Exhaust, SystemSportisi TIS with BRT, Digital Koso gauge,Tank PadVinyl graphics, 150/60/R17, Targa FenderEliminator

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headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Great excuse to a fancy new tool __________________________________________________ Honda Interceptor VFR800 DLX (2014, 8th gen) Honda CBR500r (2014) - FOR SALE Kawi Ninja 250r (2008) - Restored and passed-down within family, only to be abandoned

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September 16th, 2010, 04:27 PM	#2
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	keep on heating it with the torch and try using an impact driver to get them out. how long did you heat the bolt? If I remember correctly, it takes quite a bit of heat to break down the red loctite they use on them.

September 16th, 2010, 04:28 PM	#3
2WheelGuy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Craig Location: Silicon Valley, CA USA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): '98 EX250, '02 EX250, '08 250r, '03 SV650, '98 GSXR750 '03 Hayabusa, '87 YSR50, '84 ZX900, +MORE Posts: A lot.	It takes a lot of heat and an impact driver to get those screws out. If you've already rounded the screw head your only choice is to drill. Get a drill slightly larger than the screw bolt and drill straight in. Once you remove the head you can remove the end weight. There will be enough bolt left to grab with vice-grips and again use a lot of heat. When/if you replace the end weight use Blue Loctite instead of the Red that they use at the factory. __________________________________________________ CraigHarris.org Pacific Track Time CraigsWeb See you at 2014 MotoGP Laguna Seca! We'll be camping on Fox Hill. AFM #278

September 16th, 2010, 04:44 PM	#4
austexjg ninjette.org sage Name: J.G. Location: Austin Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 zx6r Green/Black, (ex-)Diablo Black '09 Ninja 250r Posts: 959	I did the same thing - have not tried to drill it out though. I am not looking forward to the process either - might try it when the weather cools down.

September 17th, 2010, 01:42 AM	#5
arcman Love to ride Name: Andrew Location: Melbourne, Australia Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2011 ZX10-R Posts: 36	Oh, and put HEX bolts on instead of Philips afterwards...much easier to change later on (heated grips etc). ++1 blue loctite. A.

September 17th, 2010, 03:51 AM	#6
johnjohn ninjette.org member Name: John Location: Caledonia, Ontario, Canada Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): Honda, Buell, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha Posts: 170	Allen bolts are a better option.

September 17th, 2010, 06:39 AM	#8
bob138 ninjette.org member Name: Bob Location: Centreville va Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 1991 EX500 , 2009 250r Posts: 130	I did this recently to straighten my left bar. I used a heat gun and an electric drill. Set the drill on low, heat for a bit and then try to hit it with the drill. Just goose the drill to see if it starts to spin, on low it should just bog down until it starts to spin. Worked like a charm on both sides. But the heat gun, or torch is the important part. Once you break down the loctite it's easy. Bob

September 22nd, 2010, 06:31 PM	#10
WOTurtle ninjette.org member Name: Ian Location: Columbia, SC Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09' 250 ARRRRRR Posts: 130	The secret really is heat, we cooked it really good with a small butane torch and it came out with a regular screwdriver even though the screw was all farked up. Posted via Mobile Device

September 23rd, 2010, 10:27 AM	#12
Cuongism ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cuong Location: San Diego Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, 2007 Daytona 675 Posts: A lot.	Hey Jet, my offer is still on the table if you need help. Phillips #3 should work.

September 23rd, 2010, 10:57 AM	#13
WOTurtle ninjette.org member Name: Ian Location: Columbia, SC Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09' 250 ARRRRRR Posts: 130	I heated the screw ONLY for about two and a half or three minutes and it came right out. But now that I've fixed that problem, I have come upon another, my front wheel seems to be out of alignment a bit. It doesn't wobble, or vibrate when I ride, it just looks cocked ever so slightly. Can a shop fix this? I don't want to pay 500 for a new front wheel. Posted via Mobile Device

September 23rd, 2010, 11:10 AM	#14
FrugalNinja250 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Frugal Location: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) Join Date: Mar 2010 Motorcycle(s): Several Posts: A lot.	If the wheel spins true, i.e. no side to side wobble, then the alignment issue is in the fork/triple clamp assembly. If neither are bent then it's fairly easy to loosen things up and realign everything.

September 23rd, 2010, 02:13 PM	#15
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	I don't know why I didn't think about this when filling out the survey from Kawi, but it would have been good to mention the evils of using RED loctite on the barends.

June 15th, 2011, 05:02 PM	#17
JoeLansing ninjette.org member Name: Joe Location: Lansing, MI Ghetto Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Green 2011 SE 52yo Geezer Posts: 122	You guys aren't kidding about that bar end screw! I just had my first session on it. I heated it and put a pipe wrench on a big #3 screwdriver. The shaft stripped out of the screwdriver handle. I don't have real air tools. I'll try a socket solution on it for round #2. - Joe

June 15th, 2011, 05:46 PM	#18
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	What allen/hex bolts fit flushly with the conical shape in the bar end?

June 15th, 2011, 07:38 PM	#20
greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	i just replaced mine today with some spike bar ends.. man they are on there! i used a 1/4" drill bit and just drilled into the phillips screw until the head fell off.. then the bar end slid off, used a pair of vicegrips to pull the threaded part out of the handle bar.. what a pita! had a ton of red threadlocker on the stock barends. heres the end result of the stock barends.

June 15th, 2011, 11:13 PM	#22
Liquidtoon ninjette.org member Name: Josh Location: Sacramento, Ca Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250r Posts: 215	After seeing that I feel bad for you I got mine out in about 10 mins. grabbed a #3 phillips tossed a large crescent wrench on the handle for leverage and popped them right off.

June 16th, 2011, 07:18 AM	#24
greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	i broke 2 phillips bits before deciding to just drill them out..loL! drilling them was pretty easy, took about 15mins start to end.