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Old July 12th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #1
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Why don't Super Sport series allow slick tires?

@Trailerboy531 and I was talking about this today.

World Super Sport, AMA or any of the smaller national series don't allow slick tire use for 600cc class.. I always wondered why... Anyone care to chip in?

My 2 guesses were marketing the dot race tires and/or keeping costs down for the teams in the PRO series like AMA and WSS. Then possibly the smaller series just copied the rules from them.



EDIT: Hmmm a racer friend of mine had this to say just now:

Slick tires cornering speed is much faster than DOT tires
Superstock class bike chassis doesn't endure cornering speed of slick tires
Because Regulation of Superstick class restricts modification of chassis

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Old July 12th, 2013, 05:40 PM   #2
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I don't not know why they don't allow them to not use tires that aren't not the opposite of slick tires.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #3
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chatting with 5 people at the same time. LEAVE ME ALONE! haha.


@Alex fix it for me so i don't look more retarded than i am?
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Alex is on vacation for a few more days - you're stuck looking like a retard

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Old July 12th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #5
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shiiiet. there should be an option to edit subjects. THIS IS BS!
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 06:15 AM   #7
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Also, from a marketing standpoint, at a national-level series its a selling point for the tire manufacturers to have the racers on tires you buy off the shelf and (hopefully) have them say good things.

It also lowers costs for the tire manufacturers and teams to use mass-produced tires rather than lower volume non-DOT slicks. Even if the price per tire is only about $30 different, when you'll blow through three sets in a race weekend, by the end of a season it all adds up!
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@Trailerboy531 and I was talking about this today.

World Super Sport, AMA or any of the smaller national series don't allow slick tire use for 600cc class.. I always wondered why... Anyone care to chip in?

My 2 guesses were marketing the dot race tires and/or keeping costs down for the teams in the PRO series like AMA and WSS. Then possibly the smaller series just copied the rules from them.



EDIT: Hmmm a racer friend of mine had this to say just now:

Slick tires cornering speed is much faster than DOT tires
Superstock class bike chassis doesn't endure cornering speed of slick tires
Because Regulation of Superstick class restricts modification of chassis



this was great but in my opinion wrong(to a point)

They run DOT's because mostly marketing and a very small part cost(not much difference in $)

The reason Slicks are better then DOT is not because they are slicks, it's because they are developed to be better. Back when I raced AMA there wasn't all these extra Regs and one make tire bullshit so the special DOT tires from the UK imported for only the factory riders and very select privateer of the weekend were an a whole other level then what the rest of the paddock was getting. I set the old course record at willow springs in the superbike class on my superstock R1 with DOT tires with a 1:20:80. Take a look at the lap times those guys are running nowadays with 60 more HP, its like 2-3 seconds slower because no one bothers making good tire for our series anymore. Back in the day they tried to push the American made tires on us and after several of us totaled bikes trying to get them to work we all said **** that and stuck with the UK imports. Now with AMA only uses dunlops, dunlop makes the whole field run the crap American made tires because they no long need to compete against the other tire manufacturers.

so your racing friend is right to a point but it wasn't always like that and is only currently like that because of politics and $, thus the a big reason I retired when I did.
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this was great but in my opinion wrong(to a point)

They run DOT's because mostly marketing and a very small part cost(not much difference in $)

The reason Slicks are better then DOT is not because they are slicks, it's because they are developed to be better. Back when I raced AMA there wasn't all these extra Regs and one make tire bullshit so the special DOT tires from the UK imported for only the factory riders and very select privateer of the weekend were an a whole other level then what the rest of the paddock was getting. I set the old course record at willow springs in the superbike class on my superstock R1 with DOT tires with a 1:20:80. Take a look at the lap times those guys are running nowadays with 60 more HP, its like 2-3 seconds slower because no one bothers making good tire for our series anymore. Back in the day they tried to push the American made tires on us and after several of us totaled bikes trying to get them to work we all said **** that and stuck with the UK imports. Now with AMA only uses dunlops, dunlop makes the whole field run the crap American made tires because they no long need to compete against the other tire manufacturers.

so your racing friend is right to a point but it wasn't always like that and is only currently like that because of politics and $, thus the a big reason I retired when I did.
I guess my initial guess was more accurate. Thanks for chipping in man I always wondered.
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