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Old January 7th, 2009, 09:13 AM   #1
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Ninja 250R 08 big bore kit

Need to upgrade the engine performance for my 250R 08, but i can's found the big bore kit in the market. Do you have one? Or someone else can do that?
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Old January 7th, 2009, 09:30 AM   #2
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Haven't seen one for the Ninja 250. Here's a link to Wiseco big bore kits, which they make for a whole pile of different Kawasaki streetbikes (and other makes), but no kit for the 250:

http://www.procycle-online.com/bigbore/bbstreet_kaw.htm

When people go about improving the ninja 250's engine performance, for street use at least, typical mods include intake improvements/exhaust improvements/timing, rather than wholesale component replacement. There's no technical reason why more couldn't be done, but at some point the costs would be hard to justify instead of choosing a different bike to start with more power.
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Old November 13th, 2009, 07:28 PM   #3
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Need to upgrade the engine performance for my 250R 08, but i can's found the big bore kit in the market. Do you have one? Or someone else can do that?

Many people don't know this, buuuuuuut the ex 500 motor fits in the ninja 250 frame with no alterations. I know this true on the older ones, I believe true on the newer ones. Just look up part numbers for the motor mounts.
This was a fast mod to get under the insurance laws when the 250 first came out.
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Old November 13th, 2009, 09:27 PM   #4
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Many people don't know this, buuuuuuut the ex 500 motor fits in the ninja 250 frame with no alterations. I know this true on the older ones, I believe true on the newer ones. Just look up part numbers for the motor mounts.
This was a fast mod to get under the insurance laws when the 250 first came out.
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Like they said...Pictures or it ain't true
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Old November 13th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #5
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Like they said...Pictures or it ain't true
I don't have pics. But I did it with a 98 250 and a crashed 500.
It was when I was working for a local dealer. We checked the mounts and stuff, same part numbers.
That's all I can tell ya. Sorry, no pics.
I don't even have pics for the custom frame and body work I've done.
And none of the drag bike frames I made. Sorry again.
Go online to riva motorsports in key largo Florida. They have a parts breakdown for all the bikes. I think prices along with part numbers
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Old November 13th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #6
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Jean hes right the motor does fit. I just shipped a complete assembly over to indo for a guy to install there.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 09:18 AM   #7
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Jean hes right the motor does fit. I just shipped a complete assembly over to indo for a guy to install there.
Which is awesome because now he can get around that silly tax limitation that they have to deal with there (makes anything larger than a 250 not affordable).
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Old November 14th, 2009, 12:19 PM   #8
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Sweet...one of the US folks need to do the conversion. I saw some complete used motor on eBay for $500. I'd love to have one although the mech skill is over my head
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Old November 14th, 2009, 01:44 PM   #9
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Jean its not super hard to do actually just takes patience. CZroe the tax there is ridiculous a new zx14 cost $45000. But we found a way around that
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Old November 14th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #10
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Many people don't know this, buuuuuuut the ex 500 motor fits in the ninja 250 frame with no alterations. I know this true on the older ones, I believe true on the newer ones. Just look up part numbers for the motor mounts.
This was a fast mod to get under the insurance laws when the 250 first came out.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 06:37 PM   #11
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You can go for high compression pistons in the stock bore . 12.5 to 1 will certainly perk things up . or BEET racing has a 265 kit. You just need to bore the stock cylinder out to fit. Should not cost much for machine work .Of course a free flow exhaust and filter with jetting and tuning will be required to get the most out of either setup
http://www.beet.co.jp/english/kawasa...50r/index.html
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Racerx, all that beet and bore will be load of dough...just drop in a 500 for much cheaper if it fits... You'll get more torque and power.
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You can go for high compression pistons in the stock bore . 12.5 to 1 will certainly perk things up . or BEET racing has a 265 kit. You just need to bore the stock cylinder out to fit. Should not cost much for machine work .Of course a free flow exhaust and filter with jetting and tuning will be required to get the most out of either setup
http://www.beet.co.jp/english/kawasa...50r/index.html
How much room do we have to play with do you know.
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Beet makes a 285 kit as well. NOTE you must send them your cylinders for machining if ordering the kit. This makes the kit unattractive to people in the US. But I have seen people in Asia acquire the kits which makes this one giant CF.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 08:55 PM   #15
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The least expensive and most cost effective upgrade is the rider's skillset. As an added bonus, it'll transfer to any future cycle you own.

Racer X is 'dead-on' for the the 1%ers looking to squeak everything out of the 250 class.
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Old November 14th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #16
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I am one of those squeakers. But it is only because of the business being connected to the 250.
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Old November 15th, 2009, 03:31 AM   #17
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Well if it's been confirmed that the 500 motor fits in the 250 frame, then I got news for you. That would mean the 650 motor will fit too. Believe it or not, but the outter dimensions of the 650 motor are smaller then the 500 making it lighter and slimmer. Imagine putting one of those puppies in the 250 frame.......... 71hp with about 48lb-ft of torque.
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Well if it's been confirmed that the 500 motor fits in the 250 frame, then I got news for you. That would mean the 650 motor will fit too. Believe it or not, but the outter dimensions of the 650 motor are smaller then the 500 making it lighter and slimmer. Imagine putting one of those puppies in the 250 frame.......... 71hp with about 48lb-ft of torque.
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Why wouldn't you just buy a Ninja 650R then?
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Bc then there would be nothing to talk about if everyone just buy a 650.
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well there's really nothing but talk..notice how there's no video's or photos's just empty talk
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well there's really nothing but talk..notice how there's no video's or photos's just empty talk
aint nobody do no nothing...wutz there to picee and vizdoo?
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Many people don't know this, buuuuuuut the ex 500 motor fits in the ninja 250 frame with no alterations. I know this true on the older ones, I believe true on the newer ones. Just look up part numbers for the motor mounts.
This was a fast mod to get under the insurance laws when the 250 first came out.
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We should do a Build as a Forum. Find a salvaged bike with next to no damage and put in the 650 motor then whoever pitched in is eligible for a raffle. That would be sweet. No one would ever go for it but it would be sweet.
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Subscribed. Sounds like it would be a fun winter project to do just because.
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I was going to put a 250 engine into a 500 frame. it is bigger and would give plenty of room to work with . As far as hiding from the wind and building a fairing. It is way different. If I could of the amount of fabrication it would take to do that . I would also have the skill and tools to just make a frame. . It can be done no problem . But it is not a bolt in at all . This is some photos from EBay just to have a look
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Very interested in this. I bet I could piss quite a few people off on tracks or drag strips if they're beaten by what seems to be a 250R. I'd love to say my painted parts gave me all that extra horsepower.
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Why wouldn't you just buy a Ninja 650R then?
The ugly Banana Seat, the sports touring look, the insurance costs, and the sheer pleasure i'd have in watching people's jaws drop when they see what a "250" can do.

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Pictures! Proof!

I have some pictures of a build I just finished- I did a 2009 250 chassis / 1990 EX500 engine build I'll have to post some soon. The older engine does NOT bolt right in to the newer chassis. I'm not sure if the same goes for the older 250 chassis, but I had to make mounts and use spacers to get the offset correct.
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This is interesting. I happen to have an 09 250r and a 91 ex500. I've read that a stock ex500 motor can twist a stock ex500 frame when pushed hard at the track. So the 250r frame might not be that bad. I'll have to look the two carefully.

I'll probably still just rebuild my 500 separately anyway. I actually like the 250 the way it is, after the needle shim and snorkel removal that is. But if I can find a cheap 250r frame for a build out, I may put the 500 in that. Save on insurance

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We've done this already.

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Kawasaki Ninja 400

Kawasaki makes a Ninja 400 for the European market. I wonder if these engines could be installed in the 250 frame or fit the cylinders/heads to the 250 Ninja engine.
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Are you talking about the new ninja 400 or the old I4 zx400 engines? The new ninja 400 is the same dimensions as the ninja 650 engine. I highly doubt you could easily get an I-4 engine in the 250 chassis. Plus the biggest issue is that the frame just was not built for a high hp motor
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Kawasaki makes a Ninja 400 for the European market. I wonder if these engines could be installed in the 250 frame or fit the cylinders/heads to the 250 Ninja engine.
Yeah, the new 400R is just a sleeved-down 650 for legal purposes.


I do wonder how much these frames could handle, though.
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Higher Quality Installation...

Sorry for the delay in posting pictures, but you should be able to see the difference in engine sizes and the space required to fit the 500.

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Had to make rear motor mount plates and offset spacers, complete header (y-pipe and mid-pipe), radiator mounts, etc... All kinds of stuff. All without welding to, or otherwise disturbing the 250 chassis. Used the 500 harness and 250 controls and gauges. Looks stock. Isn't. If you look at the other builds on YouTube and in other various locations, the absence of attention to detail is apparent. Using a piece of flat stock to hold the fairings apart so the exhaust doesn't touch? Are we in Junior High WoodWorking? Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but this isn't exactly an extracurricular art class. The job should be done properly or the wrenches should be put away.

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