What experienced riders owe new and would-be riders

cbinker · June 2nd, 2014, 10:31 AM

What experienced riders owe

not a bad read.

csmith12 · June 2nd, 2014, 10:34 AM

Lead by example, who would have thought it was so simple.

capt_bugaloo · June 2nd, 2014, 10:43 AM

A guy gets on a motorcycle for the first time without any riding gear, not even a helmet, and rides 150 yards into oncoming traffic on a multi-lane highway.

Am I missing something here (as the article doesn't have a lot of details)?

Desmoluci · June 2nd, 2014, 10:51 AM

I'll give someone advice if they ask for it, but I'm no preacher man.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...

Sirref · June 2nd, 2014, 10:52 AM

Nope, that's pretty much what it says. A damn shame and its definitely the fault of whoever let him ride the bike assuming he didn't buy it and trailer it (don't remember that bit)

subxero · June 2nd, 2014, 11:14 AM

you can only make suggestions to adult riders, even teen riders it is up to them to take your advice and in my experience they are going to do what they want anyway.

Preach and show someone all day long"do it this way.. because this..." "never do this because that.." "practice doing it this way just in case..." If they can't foreseeably see any of the advice affecting them they will never take it to heart to follow it and most people just don't understand or comprehend the possibilities for serious injury.

Anytime I put people on a bike I encourage them to wear full gear even my dirt bikes. Most common thing they say "I don't need it, I'm just going up the road and back." I say "no one generally plans on crashing but it still happens, put on the gear!"

capt_bugaloo · June 2nd, 2014, 11:19 AM

I lump riding a motorcycle in with other "high risk" activities such as skydiving, scuba, mountain climbing, etc. Maybe it's just me, but when I'm going to try doing something new, particularly if there appears to be an element of risk, I take a bit of time to do some research and figure out whether I need some training or courses.

I suspect that even if this guy had been consoled by friends and family to take motorcycle training, he would have ignored them and gotten himself into trouble anyhow.

supersport · June 2nd, 2014, 11:51 AM

I will not let anyone i care about get on a motorcycle without at least a helmet. Then i tell them skin graphing is not a myth. But no helmet no ride on my bikes.

I also selectively let people ride my bikes. I'm not going to let some inexperience rider on my bigger bike. I also won't let any new rider go into the streets with my ninja. I use a parking lot like everyone else.

CC Cowboy · June 2nd, 2014, 12:35 PM

I owe so here I go! Dirt bike and yard ride first. The bigger the yard the better.

Both my kids learned in the yard (8 acres of grass) then moved onto a trail in the woods learning to avoid obtacles (trees).

Rifleman · June 2nd, 2014, 01:17 PM

I recommend two things to every single person who asks.

1. Read Keith Code's twist of the wrist. It is a fun read, it will help you to understand your bike, how it works and hopefully how to stay out of on coming traffic.

2. Take the MSF course... if you are going to crash a bike, crash their bike. They don't care and you aren't scratching your buddies bike, or worse, your bike.

I've taught one person to ride, who was learning how to ride a bike for theater. This was a high school student and was going to be driving the bike on stage (yeah, that was fraught with 'is this a good idea' moments.

we pushed him around the parking lot on a Honda Rebel 250... learning how to balance. how to use the brakes, how to stop and put your foot down... and hour or so of that and it was time for the engine... He learned the clutch and what have you in another hour... Two weekends of that and he was able to drive on stage from off stage, will a passenger and park the bike...

I don't think he even drives now but it was a sense of accomplishment for 3 accomplished riders to teach a guy to drive in two weekends and then watch him drive on stage... We told his mom, once we taught him how to ride a bike, next would be swearing and whisky... she was not amused.

it was a production of "Little Shop of Horrors", he was the dentist, Orin Scrivello

kdogg2077 · June 2nd, 2014, 01:42 PM

Definitely both guys are at fault. The friend for putting him on a bike in that situation with no helmet and the rider for being dumb enough to do it.

broilmebk · June 2nd, 2014, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_bugaloo

A guy gets on a motorcycle for the first time without any riding gear, not even a helmet, and rides 150 yards into oncoming traffic on a multi-lane highway.

Am I missing something here (as the article doesn't have a lot of details)?

I was confused as hell when I read that article too. Why wasn't he wearing a helmet especially since this is in CA??? I think it said he took a turn too wide.

cbinker · June 2nd, 2014, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desmoluci

I'll give someone advice if they ask for it, but I'm no preacher man.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...

But it sure is fun to hold his head under water.

Motofool · June 2nd, 2014, 04:11 PM

Many similarly sad cases have been documented.

Riding well is an art, and as such, it needs to be learned, taught and mastered with infinite patience, respect and dignity for us and for everyone else.

"Everything is simpler than we can imagine, at the same time more complex and intertwined than can be comprehended..... If we treat people as they are, we make them worse. If we treat people as they ought to be, we help them become what they are capable of becoming." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

kdogg2077 · June 2nd, 2014, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

Many similarly sad cases have been documented.

Riding well is an art, and as such, it needs to be learned, taught and mastered with infinite patience, respect and dignity for us and for everyone else.

"Everything is simpler than we can imagine, at the same time more complex and intertwined than can be comprehended..... If we treat people as they are, we make them worse. If we treat people as they ought to be, we help them become what they are capable of becoming." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I envy the number of quotes you have at the ready

Kscreations08 · June 2nd, 2014, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC Cowboy

Both my kids learned in the yard (8 acres of grass) then moved onto a trail in the woods learning to avoid obtacles (trees).

yard....

8 acres....

I've seen corn fields with less land and your yard is 8 ACRES lol I'm coming to live with you, clear out the spare room Cowboy

cbinker · June 2nd, 2014, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kscreations08

yard....

8 acres....

I've seen corn fields with less land and your yard is 8 ACRES lol I'm coming to live with you, I have a king sized bed we can share, Cowboy

Really!

Kscreations08 · June 2nd, 2014, 07:38 PM

-.- real cute Binkie.

InvisiBill · June 3rd, 2014, 04:44 AM

They fill up fast, but the MSF BRC here is funded by some grant, so it only costs $25. They supply the bike, so all you need is a DOT helmet, eye protection (sunglasses is enough), a long-sleeve shirt, and boots. Even if you have to go out and buy all that, it's probably still under $100. In addition to hopefully learning the basics of riding a bike and covering the skills portion of your license endorsement, it's a cheap way to at least get some idea if riding is your thing.

As others have said, people generally won't listen to advice until something makes them realize that it could be detrimental to not take the advice. Unfortunately, we tend to be stupid and stubborn, so it often takes something bad happening to us personally before we believe it could actually happen.

You should give good advice when you can, but it's impossible for you to make someone take your advice.

June 2nd, 2014, 10:31 AM	#1
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June 2nd, 2014, 10:34 AM	#2
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Lead by example, who would have thought it was so simple. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

June 2nd, 2014, 10:43 AM	#3
capt_bugaloo motorcycle rider Name: Bruce Location: Victoria, BC Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver) Posts: A lot.	A guy gets on a motorcycle for the first time without any riding gear, not even a helmet, and rides 150 yards into oncoming traffic on a multi-lane highway. Am I missing something here (as the article doesn't have a lot of details)? __________________________________________________ '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver)

June 2nd, 2014, 11:14 AM	#6
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	you can only make suggestions to adult riders, even teen riders it is up to them to take your advice and in my experience they are going to do what they want anyway. Preach and show someone all day long"do it this way.. because this..." "never do this because that.." "practice doing it this way just in case..." If they can't foreseeably see any of the advice affecting them they will never take it to heart to follow it and most people just don't understand or comprehend the possibilities for serious injury. Anytime I put people on a bike I encourage them to wear full gear even my dirt bikes. Most common thing they say "I don't need it, I'm just going up the road and back." I say "no one generally plans on crashing but it still happens, put on the gear!" __________________________________________________ I love the smell of burning pre-mix in the morning I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought I was once.

June 2nd, 2014, 11:19 AM	#7
capt_bugaloo motorcycle rider Name: Bruce Location: Victoria, BC Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver) Posts: A lot.	I lump riding a motorcycle in with other "high risk" activities such as skydiving, scuba, mountain climbing, etc. Maybe it's just me, but when I'm going to try doing something new, particularly if there appears to be an element of risk, I take a bit of time to do some research and figure out whether I need some training or courses. I suspect that even if this guy had been consoled by friends and family to take motorcycle training, he would have ignored them and gotten himself into trouble anyhow. __________________________________________________ '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver)

June 2nd, 2014, 10:51 AM	#4
Desmoluci Threadkiller Name: Mick Location: Monongahela, Pa. Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): Yellow '04 stocker, '89 FJ1200, '87 Ducati Paso, '71 Yamaha XS1b, '99 KLR650, '81 FXE 80, '97 KTM 200EXC , etc Posts: 430	I'll give someone advice if they ask for it, but I'm no preacher man. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...

June 2nd, 2014, 10:52 AM	#5
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	Nope, that's pretty much what it says. A damn shame and its definitely the fault of whoever let him ride the bike assuming he didn't buy it and trailer it (don't remember that bit)

June 2nd, 2014, 11:51 AM	#8
supersport ninjette.org member Name: Lee Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: May 2014 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 Posts: 97	I will not let anyone i care about get on a motorcycle without at least a helmet. Then i tell them skin graphing is not a myth. But no helmet no ride on my bikes. I also selectively let people ride my bikes. I'm not going to let some inexperience rider on my bigger bike. I also won't let any new rider go into the streets with my ninja. I use a parking lot like everyone else.

June 2nd, 2014, 12:35 PM	#9
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	I owe so here I go! Dirt bike and yard ride first. The bigger the yard the better. Both my kids learned in the yard (8 acres of grass) then moved onto a trail in the woods learning to avoid obtacles (trees). __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!
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June 2nd, 2014, 01:17 PM	#10
Rifleman Old and slow Name: Lohman Location: Aiken, S.C. Join Date: May 2014 Motorcycle(s): Suzuki TL1000R, Honda CBR600F3, Ninja 250 Posts: 889	I recommend two things to every single person who asks. 1. Read Keith Code's twist of the wrist. It is a fun read, it will help you to understand your bike, how it works and hopefully how to stay out of on coming traffic. 2. Take the MSF course... if you are going to crash a bike, crash their bike. They don't care and you aren't scratching your buddies bike, or worse, your bike. I've taught one person to ride, who was learning how to ride a bike for theater. This was a high school student and was going to be driving the bike on stage (yeah, that was fraught with 'is this a good idea' moments. we pushed him around the parking lot on a Honda Rebel 250... learning how to balance. how to use the brakes, how to stop and put your foot down... and hour or so of that and it was time for the engine... He learned the clutch and what have you in another hour... Two weekends of that and he was able to drive on stage from off stage, will a passenger and park the bike... I don't think he even drives now but it was a sense of accomplishment for 3 accomplished riders to teach a guy to drive in two weekends and then watch him drive on stage... We told his mom, once we taught him how to ride a bike, next would be swearing and whisky... she was not amused. it was a production of "Little Shop of Horrors", he was the dentist, Orin Scrivello

June 2nd, 2014, 01:42 PM	#11
kdogg2077 ninjette.org sage Name: Alex Location: Ebensburg, PA Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2015 Yamaha FZ07, Ninja 250r 2012 Limited Edition (Sold) Posts: 529	Definitely both guys are at fault. The friend for putting him on a bike in that situation with no helmet and the rider for being dumb enough to do it. __________________________________________________ "Take it easy driving. The life you might save might be mine."

June 2nd, 2014, 04:11 PM	#14
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	Many similarly sad cases have been documented. Riding well is an art, and as such, it needs to be learned, taught and mastered with infinite patience, respect and dignity for us and for everyone else. "Everything is simpler than we can imagine, at the same time more complex and intertwined than can be comprehended..... If we treat people as they are, we make them worse. If we treat people as they ought to be, we help them become what they are capable of becoming." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

June 2nd, 2014, 07:38 PM	#18
Kscreations08 Fresh Deli Meat Name: Kevin Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania Join Date: Feb 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2009 250R Ninja -Neener- Posts: 678	-.- real cute Binkie. __________________________________________________ We shall call thee "Seahorse." -Antiant on Couvade Syndrome

June 3rd, 2014, 04:44 AM	#19
InvisiBill EX500 full of EX250 parts Name: Bill Location: Grand Rapids-ish, MI Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): '18 Ninja 400 • '09 Ninja 500R (selling) • '98 VFR800 (project) • '85 Vulcan VN700 (sold) Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Aug '15	They fill up fast, but the MSF BRC here is funded by some grant, so it only costs $25. They supply the bike, so all you need is a DOT helmet, eye protection (sunglasses is enough), a long-sleeve shirt, and boots. Even if you have to go out and buy all that, it's probably still under $100. In addition to hopefully learning the basics of riding a bike and covering the skills portion of your license endorsement, it's a cheap way to at least get some idea if riding is your thing. As others have said, people generally won't listen to advice until something makes them realize that it could be detrimental to not take the advice. Unfortunately, we tend to be stupid and stubborn, so it often takes something bad happening to us personally before we believe it could actually happen. You should give good advice when you can, but it's impossible for you to make someone take your advice. __________________________________________________ * Unregistered, I'm not your mom and I'm not paying for your parts, so do whatever you want with your own bike. *
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