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Old August 24th, 2017, 10:37 AM   #1
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MotoAmerica: New "Junior Cup"

MotoAmerica: New "Junior Cup" Open To All Manufacturers Will Replace KTM RC Cup In 2018

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Old August 24th, 2017, 11:39 AM   #2
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Didn't open to all ages :'(
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Old August 24th, 2017, 02:11 PM   #4
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Didn't open to all ages :'(
The kids get to have all the fun!

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Old August 25th, 2017, 12:21 PM   #5
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damn kids and their no worries while they're racing

I doubt many 15yo kids are thinking in the back of their head "If I botch this pass and break an arm rent is going to be difficult this month"

oh well, at least they're a riot to watch
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Old August 28th, 2017, 10:35 AM   #6
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Old August 29th, 2017, 08:46 PM   #7
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Old September 20th, 2017, 08:03 AM   #8
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Bummed to find out the rumored age of 28 ended up being 25. If you're between the ages of 25-28 (or even younger yet too) please email ncox@motoamerica.com and tell them we want it raised back up!
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Bummed to find out the rumored age of 28 ended up being 25. If you're between the ages of 25-28 (or even younger yet too) please email ncox@motoamerica.com and tell them we want it raised back up!
I'm surprised it's even 25 for a "Junior Cup".

Looks like I'm out then...

I'd need to wait a couple years, but might be able to make a "Senior Cup".
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Looks like I'm in for next year, 25 being the cap is barely enough for me to get my feet wet and do at least a round

Sent an email but it may be more effective to talk to them in person when I race
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Old September 21st, 2017, 03:28 PM   #11
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Looks like I'm in for next year, 25 being the cap is barely enough for me to get my feet wet and do at least a round

Sent an email but it may be more effective to talk to them in person when I race
I've talked with them on the phone quite a bit, they said if they get enough emails/calls and interest in general they'll definitely consider bumping the age up a little
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Old September 21st, 2017, 04:00 PM   #12
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Hmmm I think I see a bunch of used RC390's for sale next year.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 02:16 PM   #13
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Recently received an email that I'll be eligible for the 2018 season. Really looking forward to it! With the rules being so restrictive the question for which bike pops up. New series surely one of them will stand out a little
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:02 PM   #14
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Recently received an email that I'll be eligible for the 2018 season. Really looking forward to it! With the rules being so restrictive the question for which bike pops up. New series surely one of them will stand out a little
Nice, I need to talk to them to confirm I'm good to go

New Kawasaki 400 throws a curveball at MA. Do they allow it or deny it, if it's allowed then the championship will be dominated by Kawasaki
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Seems competition between Kawi 400 and KTM RC390 can only improve the breeds for both and us consumers would get better bikes! RC390 may be slightly down on power, but it's also lighter.
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Nice, I need to talk to them to confirm I'm good to go

New Kawasaki 400 throws a curveball at MA. Do they allow it or deny it, if it's allowed then the championship will be dominated by Kawasaki
not at all.
They are already going to allow the Honda 500 (471cc) with competition adjustments. It should be easy enought to "adjust" the N4
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not at all.
They are already going to allow the Honda 500 (471cc) with competition adjustments. It should be easy enought to "adjust" the N4
A fair point, the question is what adjustments will be made


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Rules update for Junior Cup and Twins Cup -

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...s-cup-classes/

"The update to Technical Bulletin 08-2018 adjusts the balancing regulations in the Liqui Moly Junior Cup class. The KTM RC 390 and RC 390 R must now weigh no less than 142 kg (312.4 pounds) at any time during the event. Previously, the minimum weight limit for the KTM RC 390 and RC 390 R was 136 kg (299.2 pounds)."
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I wonder if people were getting them down that light (and now have to add a bunch of ballast - or if they are already close to that new minimum weight anyway.
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The KTM's were already pretty much that light. They're wicked fast. Our ninja 400 we have two 10-15lbs chunks of lead bolted to it to meet weight restriction
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The KTM's were already pretty much that light. They're wicked fast. Our ninja 400 we have two 10-15lbs chunks of lead bolted to it to meet weight restriction
So rider weight isn't a factor?

In kart racing, immediately after the race you go right to the scales and need to make the minimum weight - kart, driver, fuel - everything.

We needed to fill the frame tubes and bolt lead weights in numerous locations to make weight. Having a light driver and being able to choose where you want the weight (to improve handling) can be an advantage.

As usual - lighter is better!
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So rider weight isn't a factor?

In kart racing, immediately after the race you go right to the scales and need to make the minimum weight - kart, driver, fuel - everything.

We needed to fill the frame tubes and bolt lead weights in numerous locations to make weight. Having a light driver and being able to choose where you want the weight (to improve handling) can be an advantage.

As usual - lighter is better!
Correct, rider weight is not a factor. I think it should be but I'm also one of the heavier riders at 160lbs. I've spoke with FIM about that and we could see that change play a part later this season or maybe next. It was voted out last year but was close. I find it strange they're worried about 10lbs here and there per bike to level the field but not factoring in the difference in 30-40 lbs difference of riders. You take the two ktm guys for example, both whom are on identical bikes. One is sitting in at 115-120lbs and the other is 150-155. Turns into a situation where the heavier rider can't even draft up next to the lighter rider.
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The KTM's were already pretty much that light. They're wicked fast. Our ninja 400 we have two 10-15lbs chunks of lead bolted to it to meet weight restriction
would you feel better if you could bolt two 10 - 15 lb bags of fathers on the bike?
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So rider weight isn't a factor?

In kart racing, immediately after the race you go right to the scales and need to make the minimum weight - kart, driver, fuel - everything.

We needed to fill the frame tubes and bolt lead weights in numerous locations to make weight. Having a light driver and being able to choose where you want the weight (to improve handling) can be an advantage.

As usual - lighter is better!
A lighter rider does not always have an advantage if they have to add weight to meet a minimum. While riding, a heavier rider can move his/her weight around and change weight distribution to a greater degree than a lighter rider can. With fixed weights the lighter rider is stuck with where they chose to place the weights for the race.

Dani Pedrosa has a lot of difficulty wrestling around a MotoGP bike and he also has difficulty getting enough heat in the tires at the start of a race. All because he is so small.
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