2012 250 not getting gas? please help! - Page 2

rojoracing53 · June 26th, 2013, 08:07 PM

Anyone else think it sound like an vacuum leak? Ill try and find the video I posted awhile back about the difference a vacuum leak makes with low RPMs.

rojoracing53 · June 26th, 2013, 08:13 PM

Ok so I don't say anything about it in the video because the person I was trying to help didn't mention it but if you listen carefully at the end when I rev it with the choke off it sound super muffled like your does.

Link to original page on YouTube.

cmcintyre13 · June 26th, 2013, 08:49 PM

okay so that is very similar. how would i go about fixing it? also could i get a link to that thread? and also i adjusted the knob and it didn't help anything

rojoracing53 · June 26th, 2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cmcintyre13

okay so that is very similar. how would i go about fixing it? also could i get a link to that thread? and also i adjusted the knob and it didn't help anything

Here's the link to the thread I made that video for http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=122456

cmcintyre13 · June 26th, 2013, 09:13 PM

alright i read through it a bit, i haven't shimmed my carbs or anything so do you know what i could do if there was a leak? :/

rojoracing53 · June 26th, 2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cmcintyre13

alright i read through it a bit, i haven't shimmed my carbs or anything so do you know what i could do if there was a leak? :/

Has the tank ever been off the bike?

I hate the idea but if a leak is suspected the only way to check is to check each connection for a pulled hose, cracked line or anything that looks like it could leak. There is no shortcuts to find a leak

I find it odd that you've been riding it all this time then suddenly you get a vacuum leak

but at the same time anything is possible.

DaBlue1 · June 27th, 2013, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Anyone else think it sound like an vacuum leak?

I thought about it, but he had ridden it prior. Apparently it happened just before he was getting ready to go to work. You know how little gremlins mess with stuff? Odd? Maybe, but the rpms may have been set low anyway. Then I listened to the video.

BTW, you got little munchkins lurking around your crib?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmcintyre13

..... i adjusted the knob and it didn't help anything

Keep turning the knob to the right to see if the idle is affected at all.

cmcintyre13 · June 27th, 2013, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Has the tank ever been off the bike?

I hate the idea but if a leak is suspected the only way to check is to check each connection for a pulled hose, cracked line or anything that looks like it could leak. There is no shortcuts to find a leak

I find it odd that you've been riding it all this time then suddenly you get a vacuum leak

but at the same time anything is possible.

the tank has never been off of the bike. i had ridden it the night before and whenever i started to go to work in the morning it started doing this.

i kept turning the knob to the right and no dice. there are some people that run around the apartments, and i had actually had someone tear the rim tape off of one of my wheels a few weeks ago. i always have the alarm on it though. the person that messed with it doesn't live here they come for parties that some people throw <_< i have people keep an eye on it for me.

DaBlue1 · June 27th, 2013, 09:15 AM

Have a look at the right side of the carb and see if the idle adjustment knob is attached.
See the attached pic.

rojoracing53 · June 27th, 2013, 09:23 AM

That sucks but it means that someone could have simply reached in a pulled on one of your vacuum lines and removed it

If this does end up being the case then I'd suggest getting a cover for the bike that has a simple locking loop at the bottom so they can't steal it. They won't bother with your bike if they have to work to get to it.

cmcintyre13 · June 27th, 2013, 09:44 AM

i don't think it's the idle, something to add is that every now and then it will revert to normal, only for it to go back to being muffled. like it's getting a burst of gas or air.? my bike is usually covered up. i'm not really able to take it to the dealer due to not having the money right now and also the dealer is a few miles away and i can't really ride it :/

EDIT: i looked where you have those pictures and nothing is disconnected, i also checked everything from where someone could just reach in the fairings. all connections looked good.

DaBlue1 · June 27th, 2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cmcintyre13

... something to add is that every now and then it will revert to normal, only for it to go back to being muffled.

Strange.
Is there a particular condition in which it reverts back to normal? (hot, cold, wet, dry)
What did the gas look like that you siphoned out? Did it appear to have water in it? Did you put some fresh gas from a new station in it? How long are you letting it run on it's own?

cmcintyre13 · June 27th, 2013, 10:54 AM

well its the same condition. it's hot here, it does it randomly while running, i rode it around the block a few times and it would come back to full power. the gas i siphoned did seem to have a bit of water in it and i did put new gas in from a new station. and just a few minutes at a time, because it just stays that way. maybe a max of 10 minutes.

EDIT: I feel like i'm dying since i haven't been able to ride for a week now

rojoracing53 · June 27th, 2013, 11:04 AM

I don't like how you said you siphoned the gas out because that always leave little at the bottom and the bottom is always going to be water. I'd fell much better if the tank was removed the petcock was removed and the tank was completely drained. Then completely drain the carbs or removing and cleaning them would be best but I understand not wanting to do this. Then pour in a bit of fresh fuel.

Does the NewGen bike have that inline fuel filter? If not maybe you sucked some kind of blockage into the carb and its bouncing around in there.

cmcintyre13 · June 27th, 2013, 11:06 AM

guide to do this? and no idea about the filter, pictures of what it would look like?

DaBlue1 · June 27th, 2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cmcintyre13

guide to do this? and no idea about the filter, pictures of what it would look like?

The fuel line from the petcock connects to the side of the carb. Inside the nipple on the carb should be a small filter.

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cmcintyre13 · June 27th, 2013, 11:37 AM

okay ill check all this out tonight after work or tomorrow. thanks, will update soon!

DaBlue1 · June 27th, 2013, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmcintyre13

well its the same condition. it's hot here, it does it randomly while running, i rode it around the block a few times and it would come back to full power. the gas i siphoned did seem to have a bit of water in it and i did put new gas in from a new station. and just a few minutes at a time, because it just stays that way. maybe a max of 10 minutes.

You may need to ride it around the block more than a few times and 10 minutes if you still have any significant amount of water in it. Get on it and open the beetch up to burn off any H2O. Ride WOT for a while to see if it clears up.

cmcintyre13 · June 27th, 2013, 12:03 PM

okay tonight ill ride the poop out of it. what is WOT? lol

rojoracing53 · June 27th, 2013, 12:08 PM

Wide open throttle

cmcintyre13 · June 27th, 2013, 12:09 PM

will do and will update later!

cmcintyre13 · June 28th, 2013, 11:09 AM

okay so i went out and rode last night and for about 30 minutes the same thing happened. today im taking it apart and i'm about to drain it. air filters are clean so i'm hoping after it's all drained it will be okay..

EDIT: got it all fixed and it's running like a dream! just took off the petcock and dumped it all out! thanks so much everybodyyy.

DaBlue1 · June 28th, 2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmcintyre13

.... got it all fixed and it's running like a dream! just took off the petcock and dumped it all out! thanks so much everybodyyy.

June 28th, 2013, 11:09 AM	#62
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	okay so i went out and rode last night and for about 30 minutes the same thing happened. today im taking it apart and i'm about to drain it. air filters are clean so i'm hoping after it's all drained it will be okay.. EDIT: got it all fixed and it's running like a dream! just took off the petcock and dumped it all out! thanks so much everybodyyy. Last futzed with by cmcintyre13; June 28th, 2013 at 04:00 PM.

June 26th, 2013, 08:07 PM	#41
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	Anyone else think it sound like an vacuum leak? Ill try and find the video I posted awhile back about the difference a vacuum leak makes with low RPMs.

June 26th, 2013, 08:13 PM	#42
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	Ok so I don't say anything about it in the video because the person I was trying to help didn't mention it but if you listen carefully at the end when I rev it with the choke off it sound super muffled like your does. Link to original page on YouTube.

June 26th, 2013, 08:49 PM	#43
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	okay so that is very similar. how would i go about fixing it? also could i get a link to that thread? and also i adjusted the knob and it didn't help anything

June 26th, 2013, 09:13 PM	#45
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	alright i read through it a bit, i haven't shimmed my carbs or anything so do you know what i could do if there was a leak? :/

June 27th, 2013, 09:23 AM	#50
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	That sucks but it means that someone could have simply reached in a pulled on one of your vacuum lines and removed it If this does end up being the case then I'd suggest getting a cover for the bike that has a simple locking loop at the bottom so they can't steal it. They won't bother with your bike if they have to work to get to it.

June 27th, 2013, 09:44 AM	#51
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	i don't think it's the idle, something to add is that every now and then it will revert to normal, only for it to go back to being muffled. like it's getting a burst of gas or air.? my bike is usually covered up. i'm not really able to take it to the dealer due to not having the money right now and also the dealer is a few miles away and i can't really ride it :/ EDIT: i looked where you have those pictures and nothing is disconnected, i also checked everything from where someone could just reach in the fairings. all connections looked good.

June 27th, 2013, 10:54 AM	#53
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	well its the same condition. it's hot here, it does it randomly while running, i rode it around the block a few times and it would come back to full power. the gas i siphoned did seem to have a bit of water in it and i did put new gas in from a new station. and just a few minutes at a time, because it just stays that way. maybe a max of 10 minutes. EDIT: I feel like i'm dying since i haven't been able to ride for a week now

June 27th, 2013, 11:04 AM	#54
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	I don't like how you said you siphoned the gas out because that always leave little at the bottom and the bottom is always going to be water. I'd fell much better if the tank was removed the petcock was removed and the tank was completely drained. Then completely drain the carbs or removing and cleaning them would be best but I understand not wanting to do this. Then pour in a bit of fresh fuel. Does the NewGen bike have that inline fuel filter? If not maybe you sucked some kind of blockage into the carb and its bouncing around in there.

June 27th, 2013, 11:06 AM	#55
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	guide to do this? and no idea about the filter, pictures of what it would look like?

June 27th, 2013, 11:37 AM	#57
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	okay ill check all this out tonight after work or tomorrow. thanks, will update soon!

June 27th, 2013, 12:03 PM	#59
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	okay tonight ill ride the poop out of it. what is WOT? lol

June 27th, 2013, 12:08 PM	#60
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	Wide open throttle

June 27th, 2013, 12:09 PM	#61
cmcintyre13 ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Missouri Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R Posts: 29	will do and will update later!