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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #121
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I snowboard and am used to falling, when I fall, I dig my board broadside into the snow with my knees bent to slow down / stop. I also put my palms down, I wasn't wearing gloves and didn't feel the road eating my hands. I was also not wearing any impact protection or riding pants. This accident could have killed me. I was also wearing an open face helmet.
I too snowboard, but I've gotten very used to sliding on my back, lightly scraping heelside edge into snow, and most importantly, crossing my arms across my chest. Yesterday when I crashed, that same instinct kicked in, and when I got up, I noticed that my gloves, albeit dirty and grass stained, were not shredded at all. My textile jacket also was surprisingly fine for sliding across pavement. Not even a scuff mark!

Biggest thing I learned is from now on, to always treat unfamiliar curves as carefully as possible (even familiar ones too), and to start scanning the road for debris. I also learned it's a bad move to try to claim from the insurance for your bike. I cancelled my claim because I thought they were going to total my bike regardless of the damage (hopefully) being just cosmetic. I'm just going to fix the thing myself.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:42 AM   #122
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #123
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lol I DO I DO.

btw, my turn signal popped off..a kid who helped me kind of put it back together and it works fine..but its just a little loose now, like you can pull it off..

i figure it'd be ok just to super glue it on? lol
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:47 AM   #124
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:48 AM   #125
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where can i get fairings from? i'd like to stick with OEM fairings. probably will only fix the front cowling because that has the worst noticeable damage, right below the headlight..the rest is little stuff which I could careless about in the short term.
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:52 AM   #126
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #127
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Not sure, but I'll bet the search button can help you out
hahaha..it could..but google search FTW! kawasaki parts house. 303 bucks for the front end. meh..could be worse. i remember when a cop busted my sideview mirror on my brand new, 1 month old car. That was 300 bucks too. What's with my vehicles getting wrecked within 1 month of having them?? LOL
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Old April 26th, 2012, 10:57 AM   #128
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$303 for a front cowel? Screw that, tape it up and ride
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Old April 26th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #129
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lol yeah maybe ill get some green duct tape and go for it. my pride already got steamrolled, might as well have it as a badge of honor
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Old April 26th, 2012, 11:07 AM   #130
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Old April 26th, 2012, 04:53 PM   #131
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DO you want to spend $50,000 fixing a femur in your leg that you will probably break again?
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #132
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touche lol

im going to hold off on fixing plastic stuff until i can get the front wheel straightened out lol

edit: and due to the rain, im going to be content sitting inside eating chef boyardee!
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #133
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DO you want to spend $50,000 fixing a femur in your leg that you will probably break again?
I had titanium reinforcements put in, it wont be breaking again
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #134
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I had titanium reinforcements put in, it wont be breaking again
so really what i should do is buy titanium fairings? lol excellent idea
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Old April 26th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #135
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Old April 26th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #137
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whoaaaa thats pretty sweet actually. carbon would look cool too. i was thinking maybe ill just duct tape and spray paint everything a metallic gold. That way I can be blingtastic

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I learned that Gravel is my enemy. Gravel WILL try to kill me any chance it get's. and if i am ever going to upgrade to a ZX-14 someday, i need to make sure that i subconsciously am in constant avoidance of it. Because in a car... Gravel is nothing, on a bike however... that crap will mess the bike, and me up.
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I learned that Gravel is my enemy. Gravel WILL try to kill me any chance it get's. and if i am ever going to upgrade to a ZX-14 someday, i need to make sure that i subconsciously am in constant avoidance of it. Because in a car... Gravel is nothing, on a bike however... that crap will mess the bike, and me up.
It's fun on a dirt bike.
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yeah gravel aint mean no thang~ just giver more gas
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New lessons learned: One finger brake on dirt bike...two is too much (I've fallen two times from locking the front in a corner...)

Second Lesson: Put foot out in corner if there is even a slight thought that you should, otherwise you fall and hit you thigh on you handlebars.

Third Lesson (This one is for you @alex.s) Pinning it doesn't ALWAYS work...very rarely does it NOT work lol

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when pinning it doesn't work: trying to turn in even more when the rear wheel is already sliding
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dude, just don't grab at the brake lever, and get your weight back. Go mountain biking. You'll get a great feel for the front brake.
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I made an attempt at trail braking into a corner lol obviously it was too much...and both times I didn't grab...I never grab anymore lol I just use to much brake.
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You're supposed to trail off as you lean into the corner. That's why it's called trail braking. Again, ride a mountain bike. You get a great feel for sliding.

Wait, isn't that what you're supposed to do on dirt bikes as well?
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Unless you're my riding buddy following my CR500 and a Niagara Falls of gravel (aka shrapnel) rofl.
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You're supposed to trail off as you lean into the corner. That's why it's called trail braking. Again, ride a mountain bike. You get a great feel for sliding.

Wait, isn't that what you're supposed to do on dirt bikes as well?
It's not like I don't feel my bike sliding...I just occasionlly make a mistake...and end up falling down lol It's happens pretty easily once you try to do it at quicker speeds
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nick, traction feels very different on asphalt than it does on dirt. on dirt you are basically constantly sliding. on asphalt there are basically 3 stages before you are really "out of control"... you start off with 100% traction... riding in a straight line doing nothing... bike does nothing unexpected does exactly what you want, then comes pressure walking like under braking or hard in the turns.... you'll feel all of the sudden the front of the bike goes away from the turn an inch or two. if you are on the gas, you aren't on enough gas. if you are on the brakes, don't worry too much about it. after that it starts skipping, this is what most people think of as a slide but its still got plenty of traction... this is where you usually are on dirt, and on asphalt this is where those cool black streaks come from. if you go past that stage you basically lose traction and the bike slides away like in my avatar... actually my avatar is a good example; i had spent street tires on the track (bad idea) and i was dancing between the first and second stage of sliding until i hit the only real crest on the track and my available traction plummeted. that combined with not enough gas (i was maybe half gas) meant my front tucked and the bike slid away

one thing to keep in mind is what they call 'points of traction'... maybe thinking it of traction currency would be easier... you get $100 of traction. braking at half force takes --lets say-- $50... turning in slowly takes --lets say-- $20... so turning in slowly at half brake is only $50+$20 = $70... haven't spent all your traction... but what about braking at full force, $90, and trying to turn in quickly, $35,... well guess what buddy you owe $125 of traction and you've only got $100. have fun sliding! every thing takes traction... if you are going to use a lot of traction up, use only that traction... don't try to spend traction here and spend traction there, you will run out of traction real fast. also keep in mind the traction points for your front tire and rear tire are separate... gas moves traction points from the front to the rear... brakes/slowing down; the opposite

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also i think part of the point of trail braking is to have weight on the front tire so you can do a quick turn-in... otherwise if you let go of the front brakes completely before turning in the front has much less traction and when you twist the bars, you can feel it slide for a split second before it catches and turns in... if the forks are down it wont slide before it starts turning.
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Trail braking on track explained by Keith Code:

http://forums.superbikeschool.com/in...08&#entry25618

Steering is less effective on loose surfaces like sand, and the front tire tends to dig into it rather than leading the bike in a different direction: it is way too easy to overwhelm that front tire.

That is why, steering is frequently accomplished by skidding the rear tire, so pointing the nose of the frame in the new direction while the front tire still rolls in the previous direction, like supermoto riders do even on asphalt.

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one thing to keep in mind is what they call 'points of traction'... maybe thinking it of traction currency would be easier... you get $100 of traction. braking at half force takes --lets say-- $50... turning in slowly takes --lets say-- $20... so turning in slowly at half brake is only $50+$20 = $70... haven't spent all your traction... but what about braking at full force, $90, and trying to turn in quickly, $35,... well guess what buddy you owe $125 of traction and you've only got $100. have fun sliding! every thing takes traction... if you are going to use a lot of traction up, use only that traction... don't try to spend traction here and spend traction there, you will run out of traction real fast. also keep in mind the traction points for your front tire and rear tire are separate... gas moves traction points from the front to the rear... brakes/slowing down; the opposite

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