Gen 2 tank swap to pregen

deanomyte · October 31st, 2012, 08:33 PM

Can I swap a Gen 2 tank to a pregen frame without much modification? I have an 04 with a horrible tank and i'd like to swap the tank. Are there any tanks available that will fit without major modification?

choneofakind · October 31st, 2012, 08:48 PM

yeah... another pregen tank. No modification required

deanomyte · October 31st, 2012, 09:06 PM

yeah,but there hard to find in good shape, and when you find them they are expensive.

choneofakind · October 31st, 2012, 09:08 PM

Try it and report back. I've never seen an 08-12 tank off the bike in person, and have never heard of anyone attempting a swap, because I'm pretty sure the fairings would not match up at all.

@CZroe might be able to help a little though. I know he has both generations of ninjette.

thumper64 · October 31st, 2012, 09:16 PM

I was looking into this too and "rabies" said the rear tabs are bent different. Maybe just bending it downwards would do it, or getting the tank bracket. I looked up the frames on eBay, sadly that's the easiest place to find pictures of things, and the front posts for the rubber things look like they're the same location on the frame, and the rear bracket looks like it's in the same location. Obviously, I'm just eyeballing it from pictures without measurements.

The 08 tank looks nicer, but people want too much. I found a much less banged up tank reasonable, just has a butt shaped dent in the back...

CZroe · October 31st, 2012, 09:31 PM

It isn't a straight swap but I have seen it done. I'm having trouble finding the thread. I remember having trouble finding it the last time I needed to look it up too.

*sigh* If only we could tag threads with search terms!

Edit: Here it is:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47456
Pics are gone.

deanomyte · November 1st, 2012, 07:01 AM

I wish this thread had pics! I'm not concerned with the fairing issues as I will be making this a fighter. Just need to get a gas tank that is not beat to hell, like the one that's on there now. I'm even more interested in the new gen take because of wiring up a fuel indicator!!!

CZroe · November 1st, 2012, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanomyte

I wish this thread had pics! I'm not concerned with the fairing issues as I will be making this a fighter. Just need to get a gas tank that is not beat to hell, like the one that's on there now. I'm even more interested in the new gen take because of wiring up a fuel indicator!!!

Try emailing him. He may still have them. His hosting expired. I remember that it looked pretty good. There's a fighter'd newgen with 'busa forks that looks very similar. Both had blue tanks.

deanomyte · November 1st, 2012, 10:21 AM

thanks a great idea thanks

rabies · November 1st, 2012, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanomyte

.... I will be making this a fighter. Just need to get a gas tank that is not beat to hell....

...fighter??...beat up tank?...time for a rat bike

hit it with a hammer all over, dump paint thinner on it and let all the wires hang out... be a boss

Ausoi · November 1st, 2012, 02:16 PM

I have a black 08 tank you can have. You just have to pay the shipping, it is a cali model so it has the emmissions crap. it also has a dent on the side as well, it still works perfectly well though. I'll get you a pic if you are interested. I did take off the gas cap so I could use it on my new tank.

deanomyte · November 1st, 2012, 02:20 PM

very interested, could you shoot me a pic? deanomyte@hotmail.com
Thanks.

alex.s · November 1st, 2012, 03:00 PM

note that if you post your email on public internets, you will get lots of spam from spam bots

deanomyte · November 1st, 2012, 03:10 PM

thanks man, i'll keep that in mind next time!

lolibater · November 6th, 2012, 08:35 PM

I wanted to do this swap as well. I thought I saw a picture of it done once, but I don't remember if there was modification involved or not. Excited to find out.

Ausoi · November 6th, 2012, 08:37 PM

I don't think he is interested because he didn't get back to me. if someone else needs the tank they can have it.

rabies · November 6th, 2012, 08:59 PM

cool. how much is shipping to 61201

Ausoi · November 6th, 2012, 09:33 PM

like $25 by ups ground.

rabies · November 7th, 2012, 11:22 AM

does it have the filler cap and lid rim dealy, petcock?
i might get this from you.
wait...i could have a fuel gauge?

ooooh.
pics plz. pm me yo

CZroe · November 7th, 2012, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CZroe

It isn't a straight swap but I have seen it done. I'm having trouble finding the thread. I remember having trouble finding it the last time I needed to look it up too.

*sigh* If only we could tag threads with search terms!

Edit: Here it is:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47456
Pics are gone.

The thread OP, @shavelieva, has returned! We may have pics yet.

Ausoi · November 7th, 2012, 12:15 PM

hopefully this link works

http://s1271.beta.photobucket.com/us...54329839975089

you can see the tank for yourself, sorry for thread jack but op doesnt seem to mind.

deanomyte · November 7th, 2012, 01:03 PM

don't mind at all! Sorry I didn't get back to you, but the tank is not exactly in the condition i'm looking for.

shavelieva · November 14th, 2012, 09:24 AM

I'll try and update the pics soon.

CZroe · November 14th, 2012, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shavelieva

I'll try and update the pics soon.

Awesome! We've been waiting with bated breath. There have been at least a few people who want to do what you did but didn't have the nerve to without seeing your pics.

lolibater · November 14th, 2012, 10:51 AM

thank you for being the guinea pig for this. can't wait for the pics.

deanomyte · November 14th, 2012, 02:36 PM

even though I went ahead and bought a pregen tank that was in better shape than the one I had, I am still very interested in seeing what a 2nd gen looks like!! I need to get this darn thing running before I start playing around with mods!

lolibater · November 14th, 2012, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanomyte

I need to get this darn thing running before I start playing around with mods!

story of my life

deanomyte · November 14th, 2012, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolibater

story of my life

Ha, I understand. just wish I had more time to do the wrenching!

shavelieva · November 15th, 2012, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumper64

I was looking into this too and "rabies" said the rear tabs are bent different. Maybe just bending it downwards would do it, or getting the tank bracket. I looked up the frames on eBay, sadly that's the easiest place to find pictures of things, and the front posts for the rubber things look like they're the same location on the frame, and the rear bracket looks like it's in the same location. Obviously, I'm just eyeballing it from pictures without measurements.

The 08 tank looks nicer, but people want too much. I found a much less banged up tank reasonable, just has a butt shaped dent in the back...

Mostly spot on. The main support rubber boots match up perfectly. There was no design change on that form first to second gen. The rear bracket doesn't match and I'd not say it would even with bending it. Best alternative would be a make shift bracket. As a temporary fix I've thought about using slotted metal strap(like what's used to suspend ac ducts in homes). Again as a temp fix. A bracket shouldn't be too hard to make up.
As for your fairings. It's entirely a no go on getting them flush. The tank literally hold the fairings up on current gen bikes. In my case i be actually upgraded to the newer fairing also.
The frame... The frame...
You'll have to cut it.<----that's a period
Good news though, it's super simple and super cheap. Harbor freight angle grinder a metal cutting disk. Afterwards I highly recommend painting up the cut to avoid rust.
The bad about cutting is you REALLY SHOULD weld the cut piece back in or else you will lose out on overall structural integrity and handling.again this is the downfall, however it could be taken care of by a machine shop relatively on the cheap as its straightforward. I'll post pics when I get home. It will help to explain.

shavelieva · November 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM

Also the reason behind cutting is the fuel petcock aligns with the frame. I feel this was nothing more than a conciseness decision by the designers to thwart an easy change to the newer style fairings and tank.

thumper64 · November 18th, 2012, 12:57 PM

Maybe instead of cutting the frame, a different petcock could be made to fit, or the rear of the tank lifted up, which would be easy to do if you had to make a different tank anyway. The seat could be a bit of an issue though, getting the transition right. Or the petcock could be moved, just weld up the old holes and braze/weld a bung on somewhere.

The idea of cutting a vital component like the frame to achieve an aesthetic modification seems asinine.

deanomyte · November 18th, 2012, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumper64

Maybe instead of cutting the frame, a different petcock could be made to fit, or the rear of the tank lifted up, which would be easy to do if you had to make a different tank anyway. The seat could be a bit of an issue though, getting the transition right. Or the petcock could be moved, just weld up the old holes and braze/weld a bung on somewhere.

The idea of cutting a vital component like the frame to achieve an aesthetic modification seems asinine.

Cutting the frame is not an issue if you weld it back up properly.

thumper64 · November 18th, 2012, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanomyte

Cutting the frame is not an issue if you weld it back up properly.

Assuming everyone who would attempt the modification can weld, or weld correctly, is asking a bit much. Even then, a weld isn't as strong as the parent metal.

CZroe · November 18th, 2012, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumper64

Assuming everyone who would attempt the modification can weld, or weld correctly, is asking a bit much. Even then, a weld isn't as strong as the parent metal.

Who's assuming? As with any mod, you don't procede if you don't have the tools. Also, the strength thing is only true if the welded part was previously solid, cut, the re-welded, but not if you cut one welded structural piece and added another.

rabies · November 19th, 2012, 08:40 AM

^thats what he is saying

CZroe · November 19th, 2012, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabies

^thats what he is saying

You can't cut the frame at a previously welded part? Without pics, I can't tell.

shavelieva · November 19th, 2012, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CZroe

You can't cut the frame at a previously welded part? Without pics, I can't tell.

You can cut it directly at the weld. And weld at the cut if done properly. I know I probably sound like hot air still not having pics up but I'll do it tonight.

shavelieva · November 20th, 2012, 04:53 PM

Some pictures of the bike currently. Again its not much and I've been hibernating on the whole thing. You'll notice I've went ahead and made the cut and cleaned up the weld. I'll post some pics of what I used for reference.

CZroe · November 20th, 2012, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shavelieva

Some pictures of the bike currently. Again its not much and I've been hibernating on the whole thing. You'll notice I've went ahead and made the cut and cleaned up the weld. I'll post some pics of what I used for reference.

Thanks! Looks even more promising than I remember.

Any chance that the petcocks swap between generations so the cutting isn't necessary or is the problem more about the location of it on the tank?

deanomyte · November 20th, 2012, 07:00 PM

Looks mostly like a positioning problem.

October 31st, 2012, 08:33 PM	#1
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	Gen 2 tank swap to pregen Can I swap a Gen 2 tank to a pregen frame without much modification? I have an 04 with a horrible tank and i'd like to swap the tank. Are there any tanks available that will fit without major modification?

October 31st, 2012, 09:16 PM	#5
thumper64 ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: Quad Cities Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 102	I was looking into this too and "rabies" said the rear tabs are bent different. Maybe just bending it downwards would do it, or getting the tank bracket. I looked up the frames on eBay, sadly that's the easiest place to find pictures of things, and the front posts for the rubber things look like they're the same location on the frame, and the rear bracket looks like it's in the same location. Obviously, I'm just eyeballing it from pictures without measurements. The 08 tank looks nicer, but people want too much. I found a much less banged up tank reasonable, just has a butt shaped dent in the back... __________________________________________________ Motorcycle noob, feel free to ignore me.

November 1st, 2012, 03:00 PM	#13
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	note that if you post your email on public internets, you will get lots of spam from spam bots __________________________________________________

November 6th, 2012, 08:35 PM	#15
lolibater ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Napa, CA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2005 ZX6R, 2011 Sprint GT Posts: A lot.	I wanted to do this swap as well. I thought I saw a picture of it done once, but I don't remember if there was modification involved or not. Excited to find out. __________________________________________________ "The enemy is fear. We think it is hate, but it is fear." - Gandhi

November 6th, 2012, 08:59 PM	#17
rabies time is running out.... Name: jesse Location: the land of corn Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): pregen ninjari Posts: 412 Blog Entries: 3	cool. how much is shipping to 61201 __________________________________________________ The King

October 31st, 2012, 08:48 PM	#2
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	yeah... another pregen tank. No modification required

October 31st, 2012, 09:06 PM	#3
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	yeah,but there hard to find in good shape, and when you find them they are expensive.

October 31st, 2012, 09:08 PM	#4
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Try it and report back. I've never seen an 08-12 tank off the bike in person, and have never heard of anyone attempting a swap, because I'm pretty sure the fairings would not match up at all. @CZroe might be able to help a little though. I know he has both generations of ninjette.

October 31st, 2012, 09:31 PM	#6
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	It isn't a straight swap but I have seen it done. I'm having trouble finding the thread. I remember having trouble finding it the last time I needed to look it up too. sigh If only we could tag threads with search terms! Edit: Here it is: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47456 Pics are gone.

November 1st, 2012, 07:01 AM	#7
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	I wish this thread had pics! I'm not concerned with the fairing issues as I will be making this a fighter. Just need to get a gas tank that is not beat to hell, like the one that's on there now. I'm even more interested in the new gen take because of wiring up a fuel indicator!!!

November 1st, 2012, 10:21 AM	#9
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	thanks a great idea thanks

November 1st, 2012, 02:16 PM	#11
Ausoi ninjette.org member Name: Joshua Location: Loomis, CA Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 (Black) Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 151	I have a black 08 tank you can have. You just have to pay the shipping, it is a cali model so it has the emmissions crap. it also has a dent on the side as well, it still works perfectly well though. I'll get you a pic if you are interested. I did take off the gas cap so I could use it on my new tank.

November 1st, 2012, 02:20 PM	#12
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	very interested, could you shoot me a pic? deanomyte@hotmail.com Thanks.

November 1st, 2012, 03:10 PM	#14
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	thanks man, i'll keep that in mind next time!

November 6th, 2012, 08:37 PM	#16
Ausoi ninjette.org member Name: Joshua Location: Loomis, CA Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 (Black) Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 151	I don't think he is interested because he didn't get back to me. if someone else needs the tank they can have it.

November 6th, 2012, 09:33 PM	#18
Ausoi ninjette.org member Name: Joshua Location: Loomis, CA Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 (Black) Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 151	like $25 by ups ground.

November 7th, 2012, 11:22 AM	#19
rabies time is running out.... Name: jesse Location: the land of corn Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): pregen ninjari Posts: 412 Blog Entries: 3	does it have the filler cap and lid rim dealy, petcock? i might get this from you. wait...i could have a fuel gauge? ooooh. pics plz. pm me yo __________________________________________________ The King

November 7th, 2012, 12:15 PM	#21
Ausoi ninjette.org member Name: Joshua Location: Loomis, CA Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 (Black) Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 151	hopefully this link works http://s1271.beta.photobucket.com/us...54329839975089 you can see the tank for yourself, sorry for thread jack but op doesnt seem to mind.

November 7th, 2012, 01:03 PM	#22
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	don't mind at all! Sorry I didn't get back to you, but the tank is not exactly in the condition i'm looking for.

November 14th, 2012, 09:24 AM	#23
shavelieva ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: BG, KY Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): Bodyless Ninja, 1986 Yamaha Towny, 1988 Honda Spree Posts: 40	I'll try and update the pics soon.

November 14th, 2012, 10:51 AM	#25
lolibater ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Napa, CA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2005 ZX6R, 2011 Sprint GT Posts: A lot.	thank you for being the guinea pig for this. can't wait for the pics. __________________________________________________ "The enemy is fear. We think it is hate, but it is fear." - Gandhi

November 14th, 2012, 02:36 PM	#26
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	even though I went ahead and bought a pregen tank that was in better shape than the one I had, I am still very interested in seeing what a 2nd gen looks like!! I need to get this darn thing running before I start playing around with mods!

November 15th, 2012, 11:52 AM	#30
shavelieva ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: BG, KY Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): Bodyless Ninja, 1986 Yamaha Towny, 1988 Honda Spree Posts: 40	Also the reason behind cutting is the fuel petcock aligns with the frame. I feel this was nothing more than a conciseness decision by the designers to thwart an easy change to the newer style fairings and tank.

November 18th, 2012, 12:57 PM	#31
thumper64 ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: Quad Cities Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 102	Maybe instead of cutting the frame, a different petcock could be made to fit, or the rear of the tank lifted up, which would be easy to do if you had to make a different tank anyway. The seat could be a bit of an issue though, getting the transition right. Or the petcock could be moved, just weld up the old holes and braze/weld a bung on somewhere. The idea of cutting a vital component like the frame to achieve an aesthetic modification seems asinine. __________________________________________________ Motorcycle noob, feel free to ignore me.

November 19th, 2012, 08:40 AM	#35
rabies time is running out.... Name: jesse Location: the land of corn Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): pregen ninjari Posts: 412 Blog Entries: 3	^thats what he is saying __________________________________________________ The King

November 20th, 2012, 07:00 PM	#40
deanomyte ninjette.org member Name: dean Location: L-town Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 99 honda rebel/ 04 ninjette Posts: 42	Looks mostly like a positioning problem.

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