oh my god i am so happy!

[ninja_thresh_hold]

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[alex.s]

just... make them fit?

[Vergil]

Originally Posted by alex.s

just... make them fit?

I agree

[dirty nasty]

You're better off saving that $$$ for a larger bike and having something reliable and fast in the end.

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by ninja_thresh_hold

know what that means!

A nearly endless series of frustrating glitches that have to be worked out before it will all work right, followed by a possible KERBLAMMO?



Your ambition is admirable. I predict interesting times ahead for you. Check back in when it's done.

[adouglas]

Rules of thumb based on many years of experience:

1) DIY tweaking is fun for its own sake. Sure, you can just go buy something faster/more comfortable/cooler and ultimately spend less time, less money, and end up with a better result. But when you DIY, it's YOURS because YOU did it and that beats buying a toy any day of the week. I've been modding everything from cars to bicycles to guitars to motorcycles for 30 years off and on. I've been through the mod vs. buy thing multiple times. It's true.

2) Projects that get completed are WAY better than projects that will be cool if they ever get done….someday…maybe….if only I can find the time…and the money…and………..

3) In the long run, simpler DIYs are more satisfying than big, ambitious DIYs because they're much more likely to get done and you can, you know, go RIDE YOUR BIKE. See 2 above.

4) Combining more than one big, ambitious project does not add to the difficulty. It MULTIPLIES the difficulty. There are more variables, more opportunities to screw up, more things that can go wrong, more points of interaction, more to think about, more to do.

5) Every project costs twice as much as you think it will and takes three times as long… and those are the simple projects. For complex projects, don't double that…. square it.

I'll leave you with a bit of friendly advice. Don't try to do the gauges, turbo and EFI all at the same time. Do one, get it DONE and sorted before you even think about doing the next.

Good luck! Hope it all ends well.

[ninja_thresh_hold]

nah i wanna have something noone else does which is why im going to turbo my two fiddy

[ninja_thresh_hold]

Originally Posted by adouglas

A nearly endless series of frustrating glitches that have to be worked out before it will all work right, followed by a possible KERBLAMMO?



Your ambition is admirable. I predict interesting times ahead for you. Check back in when it's done.

well my cousin owns a turbo shop, so i have him to help me out with getting the turbo, wastegate and blow off valves, and then the efi kit, i already know a pretty good bit about how to get it to work, the ecu that comes with the ecotrons kit supports turbo chargers, and the koso gauges are simple as pie to install, so i think i will have something that noone else does, and that is indeed the goal :]

[dubojr1]

Originally Posted by ninja_thresh_hold

nah i wanna have something noone else does which is why im going to turbo my two fiddy

You will... a blown engine with nothing but parts all over the garage.

Heed the advice above. TRUST US!!!

[ninja_thresh_hold]

Originally Posted by dubojr1

You will... a blown engine with nothing but parts all over the garage.

Heed the advice above. TRUST US!!!

i know what im doing, trust ME ive done crazier things before! the only way that i'd blow the engine is to have ran over 15 lbs of boost, with stock rods and pistons, however, i am running my bike right now with aftermarket forged rods and pistons, so its not a problem, i could run exessive boost without a worry come through my mind.

theres someone in indonesia that did the turbo on a ninja 250, however they did with a carbeurator blow-through system which means they wouldnt be able to gain boost fast enough for it to matter, i'd be the first to do it with aftermarket efi

[dubojr1]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it more the bottom of the motor that is not engineered for that kind of power. Titanium pistons, rods, and head won't keep the bottom from self destructing.

[ninja_thresh_hold]

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it more the bottom of the motor that is not engineered for that kind of power. Titanium pistons, rods, and head won't keep the bottom from self destructing.

well what really goes wrong is the turbo causes the pistons to burn up and they melt, and it gets thrashed about up into the valves and thats when the fun starts, and you go flying in the air ;p but i have it figured out so it wont happen

[Compooky]

Mods usually fall under one of two categories. 1) cosmetic and/or performance reasons. 2) making people think "why...?". A turbo on the 250 is leaning towards the latter.

[ninja_thresh_hold]

Originally Posted by Compooky

Mods usually fall under one of two categories. 1) cosmetic and/or performance reasons. 2) making people think "why...?". A turbo on the 250 is leaning towards the latter.

mine falls under both and another 3) because i can!

[Ptdoughnut]

I just read all the same things, the 250 cannot support turbo's. You're going to end up blowing something in the engine. regardless of aftermarket parts.

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by ninja_thresh_hold

3) because i can!

Best. Reason. Ever.

I will watch this with interest... not because I would want to do such a thing, but simply because I appreciate someone who knows what they want, is willing to really go for it, and is interested in making a significant change to the machine (as opposed to just farkling it... I have no patience with posers).

Oh, and the KERBLAMMO story will be great, I'm sure.....

[ninja_thresh_hold]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Best. Reason. Ever.

I will watch this with interest... not because I would want to do such a thing, but simply because I appreciate someone who knows what they want, is willing to really go for it, and is interested in making a significant change to the machine (as opposed to just farkling it... I have no patience with posers).

Oh, and the KERBLAMMO story will be great, I'm sure.....

it would be if there was going to be a kerblammo ;p

[ichibunkid.206]

Originally Posted by ninja_thresh_hold

it would be if there was going to be a kerblammo ;p

I say go for it!!! I've done many a stupid things because I could... now granted the aftermath of some of my adventures never quite turned out the way I thought they would... but it was always worth the laughs I had with my buddies afterwards

[Racer x]

It's not that the 250 can't support a turbo. The problem is this . For a turbo to not just be a decoration it needs to make power. How much? Let's say 25 hp . Just for conversation. Ten is not enough and fifty is too much. So 25 hp on a 25 hp bike that can easley be tuned to 35. So we really are talking about 15 hp addition or about 50 hp. Not the moon. I think that is realistic. THE PROBLEM IS you are making the marten of error very small. If it goes lean even a little it will burn a valve. Melt a piston enough to cause the ring to pinch or what ever LITTLE problem causes it to run on one cylinder. It can be done. I have the nitrous worked out and working. But not before breaking five engines.

[edxmon]

This thread can one one of three ways, he either:

1) Comes back saying: "OMG guise, I need a new engeen!"/We see his bike parted out in the ForSale section/Craigslist
2) Comes back saying: "SUCK IT GUISE! Check out my new 250 with turbauce! 50hp babby!"
3) Doesn't come back.

I for one, look forward to what will happen.

[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by adouglas

ambitious DIYs because they're much more likely to get done and you can, you know, go RIDE YOUR BIKE.

Completely disagree, me and @alex.s built my 636 engine from scratch last weekend. Got it done in 2 days and was much more fulfilling then installing a sticker

[alex.s]

i donno... that pedobear sticker install had to add at least 5hp

[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i donno... that pedobear sticker install had to add at least 5hp

haha I have 3 stickers, 15+HP!! :O

[thurt88]

Originally Posted by Compooky

Mods usually fall under one of two categories. 1) cosmetic and/or performance reasons. 2) making people think "why...?". A turbo on the 250 is leaning towards the latter.

2) why...?

[dirty nasty]

Originally Posted by ninja_thresh_hold

nah i wanna have something noone else does which is why im going to turbo my two fiddy

That is the absolute worst reason to justify doing modifications that won't get you far at all for thousands of dollars. Thousands of dollars you could spend on a larger motorcycle. Or track days learning how to ride your 250 as it is.

The only way doing all of this makes any sense is if you live in a country where you are limited to the size of motorcycle you can ride. I can't be sure, but I think nowhere in America does such a thing. I've never heard of it, at least.

Why don't you do something useful with the money and donate it to a charity instead? Cancer research or something. Or be smart and save/invest it. I understand you're going to do whatever you feel like, it's just frustrating to see such a waste...

Oh well, anyone have the popcorn? Time to watch a show.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by dirty nasty

That is the absolute worst reason to justify doing modifications that won't get you far at all for thousands of dollars. Thousands of dollars you could spend on a larger motorcycle. Or track days learning how to ride your 250 as it is.

The only way doing all of this makes any sense is if you live in a country where you are limited to the size of motorcycle you can ride. I can't be sure, but I think nowhere in America does such a thing. I've never heard of it, at least.

Why don't you do something useful with the money and donate it to a charity instead? Cancer research or something. Or be smart and save/invest it. I understand you're going to do whatever you feel like, it's just frustrating to see such a waste...

Oh well, anyone have the popcorn? Time to watch a show.

maybe he doesnt want to throw his money away to a charity and would rather throw it away to something he will actually see? yes its a waste of money. but guess what, so are fancy clothes and eating out at a fancy dinner. you choose to waste your own money every day. its just how much you choose to waste. if he has the money and wants to spend it that way, good for him. would i do it? no. would i tell him he is making a bad decision? absolutely not, because he said himself its not about the result, its about the process. and i can absolutely respect someone wanting to do something simply for the process of doing it.

[Skid]

How much power will a turbo really add? At what boost? Will it be safe?

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[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by dirty nasty

That is the absolute worst reason to justify doing modifications that won't get you far at all for thousands of dollars. Thousands of dollars you could spend on a larger motorcycle. Or track days learning how to ride your 250 as it is.

The only way doing all of this makes any sense is if you live in a country where you are limited to the size of motorcycle you can ride. I can't be sure, but I think nowhere in America does such a thing. I've never heard of it, at least.

Why don't you do something useful with the money and donate it to a charity instead? Cancer research or something. Or be smart and save/invest it. I understand you're going to do whatever you feel like, it's just frustrating to see such a waste...

Oh well, anyone have the popcorn? Time to watch a show.

I bet you are one of those parents that doesnt let his kid do anything outside the "norm" because its incorrect

[FrugalNinja250]

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

I bet you are one of those parents that doesnt let his kid do anything outside the "norm" because its incorrect

You're assuming he's old enough to be a parent...and that he's a "he"...

[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by FrugalNinja250

You're assuming he's old enough to be a parent...and that he's a "he"...

True...

Karl is normally a dudes name lol And If he is actually a she, then im sorry karl, go punch your parents in the face

[thurt88]

I just think adding a turbo on a 250 is stupid. The kit and install will almost run the price of his bike.

Sell your bike and save the money from the kit and buy an SS.

[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by thurt88

I just think adding a turbo on a 250 is stupid. The kit and install will almost run the price of his bike.

Sell your bike and save the money from the kit and buy an SS.

Great, thanks for your opinion, too bad its stupid

[thurt88]

Naw man, I think Im pretty much in the majority here.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by alex.s

maybe he doesnt want to throw his money away to a charity and would rather throw it away to something he will actually see? yes its a waste of money. but guess what, so are fancy clothes and eating out at a fancy dinner. you choose to waste your own money every day. its just how much you choose to waste. if he has the money and wants to spend it that way, good for him. would i do it? no. would i tell him he is making a bad decision? absolutely not, because he said himself its not about the result, its about the process. and i can absolutely respect someone wanting to do something simply for the process of doing it.

Here is someone who gets it.

[ninja_thresh_hold]

this is the turbo i am going to use, it will spool fast, and compress the air good, its from a seadoo, its an IHI turbo(if you dont know what ihi is, its one of the best small engine turbo comanies) http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOTORCYCLE-Q...f8c208&vxp=mtr

[dirty nasty]

Originally Posted by alex.s

maybe he doesnt want to throw his money away to a charity and would rather throw it away to something he will actually see? yes its a waste of money. but guess what, so are fancy clothes and eating out at a fancy dinner. you choose to waste your own money every day. its just how much you choose to waste. if he has the money and wants to spend it that way, good for him. would i do it? no. would i tell him he is making a bad decision? absolutely not, because he said himself its not about the result, its about the process. and i can absolutely respect someone wanting to do something simply for the process of doing it.

I suppose you didn't completely read my post then, did you? I said it frustrates me, and I'm going to offer my 2 cents all I want, but that's just exactly what it's worth to someone else, 2 cents. If he pulls it off and it makes him happy then good for him!

Anyone find my popcorn yet?

[ninja_thresh_hold]

Originally Posted by alex.s

maybe he doesnt want to throw his money away to a charity and would rather throw it away to something he will actually see? yes its a waste of money. but guess what, so are fancy clothes and eating out at a fancy dinner. you choose to waste your own money every day. its just how much you choose to waste. if he has the money and wants to spend it that way, good for him. would i do it? no. would i tell him he is making a bad decision? absolutely not, because he said himself its not about the result, its about the process. and i can absolutely respect someone wanting to do something simply for the process of doing it.

+1 i've done so much to this bike, when i got it, the subframe had to be replaced and i had to weld it on, and find every part that makes up the tail, and ive grown attatched to it, i dont plan on selling it anytime soon, and i dont want to get another bike, i like tinkering and making something from nothing and getting to get looks going down the road plus torbos are just BAD ASS

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by ninja_thresh_hold

+1 i've done so much to this bike, when i got it, the subframe had to be replaced and i had to weld it on, and find every part that makes up the tail, and ive grown attatched to it, i dont plan on selling it anytime soon, and i dont want to get another bike, i like tinkering and making something from nothing and getting to get looks going down the road plus torbos are just BAD ASS

i honestly would recommend you take a track day before putting that much into the bike (not even money, just parts) you might find a new obsession to spend money on, and most racing orgs want stock 250s (in terms of intake and cylinders)

[Kevin2109]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i honestly would recommend you take a track day before putting that much into the bike (not even money, just parts) you might find a new obsession to spend money on, and most racing orgs want stock 250s (in terms of intake and cylinders)

Its true, you will start to budget your modding money so you can buy track days. Its amazing, you must go!

[ninja_thresh_hold]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i honestly would recommend you take a track day before putting that much into the bike (not even money, just parts) you might find a new obsession to spend money on, and most racing orgs want stock 250s (in terms of intake and cylinders)

sorry im hard headed ive been wanting to do it for a while so im set on doing it :]