March 29th, 2013, 11:19 AM | #1 |
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WIX 24941 vs. K&N KN-401 Oil Filter
Any opinions on these two oil filters?
I've seen some people mention concerns about K&N oil filters and say not to use them but on the other hand several people have used them and haven't reported any issues. Thanks. |
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March 29th, 2013, 11:29 AM | #3 |
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I use k&n cuz dey ez 2 find
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March 29th, 2013, 11:29 AM | #4 | |
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I can get them basically for the same price. That's why I'm trying to figure out which one is the better filter.
Are the O-rings fine? I read that they're actually bigger than the stock O-rings and someone mentioned how this may lead to oil leaking. From an Amazon review: Quote:
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March 29th, 2013, 11:31 AM | #5 |
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Considering that with whichever one you pick you will still have to change it out at 3000mi, you should probably get the K&N
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March 29th, 2013, 11:31 AM | #6 |
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I was told WIX has a smaller pore size than K&N and thus filters better (15micron vs 25 micron or something like that). Not sure if true and never cared to verify. I use WIX and haven't have had problems. But then I ride only on streets and dont race.
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March 29th, 2013, 11:32 AM | #7 |
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Never had an issue and I use the rings that come with it
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March 29th, 2013, 11:33 AM | #8 | |
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10 WIX 24941 for ~$51 shipped vs 10 K&N KN-401 for $49.50 (Amazon) |
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March 29th, 2013, 11:33 AM | #9 |
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March 29th, 2013, 12:48 PM | #10 |
crash 250, get supersport
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Been using the KN-401 for 3 oil changes over the past 10k miles and haven't noticed a leak. As long as you're changing your oil on a regular basis, I wouldn't worry about the technical specs of the filter unless you're doing a lot of racing/track days.
Oil and filters are cheap, try out different brands until you find something that you're comfortable with and that works for your specific needs. Been using T6 and KN-401 and it averages out to ~$15 per oil change and hasn't let me down yet. |
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March 29th, 2013, 01:30 PM | #11 | |
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Most replacement o-rings are a little thicker than the OEM o-rings. They should not and have not been a problem for over 30 years the Ninja 250 has been in production. You will be fine with either one you choose. Just make sure you torque your bolts properly. |
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March 29th, 2013, 01:38 PM | #12 |
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I use the WIX filters due to availability in my area. I would not have any issues switching to KN if they become available at a cheaper price.
Both are quality filters and when used with quality oil I would not worry about it. |
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March 30th, 2013, 10:52 AM | #13 |
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What's the advantage to using either the wix or k&n? I've used oem kawi ones and like cheap aftermarket ones that I got from local shop and one time from o'reileys - which were actually same price like $9. Are those filters you wash and reuse for being 5x the kost of oem? a friend of mine who helped me change my oil for the first time a few years ago had a Ducati and he had bought a stainless steel filter. He also used synth along with it. Is that what those filters are, is something like that worth it?
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March 30th, 2013, 11:37 AM | #14 |
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That price is for 10 filters
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March 30th, 2013, 11:53 AM | #15 |
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I always assumed you wrecked and replaced a bike before needing an oil change.
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March 30th, 2013, 04:40 PM | #16 |
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Never had a leak with k&n orings.
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March 31st, 2013, 01:19 AM | #17 |
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I use the K&N along with Mobile 1 synthetic and have had no issues.
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March 31st, 2013, 01:36 PM | #18 |
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Are those filters any better though? What are the advantages?
-do they make a washable filters that filter better or is that an oxy moron?
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March 31st, 2013, 05:30 PM | #19 | |
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They do make a washable/reusable filter but it may not be worth the cost and also needs a special adapter. The adapter also allows you to use a regular canister type filter on the 250 Ninja This model washable/reusable filter is use like the standard filter. |
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April 1st, 2013, 05:43 AM | #20 |
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K&N is a better filter. I have used them on all my street and race vehicles. WIX is a huge company and makes filters for other filter "brands" they make good stuff but K&N has better quality control and the "o-ring" is better than the wix. Most people have problems with the filter seal because they either don't lubricate it or make sure the old one came off with the old filter.
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April 1st, 2013, 05:45 AM | #21 |
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also I stay away from washable filters for the oiling system. if its not cleaned properly and a small piece of debris gets on the wrong side of the element its can ruin valvetrain components, rods, mains, etc.
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April 1st, 2013, 07:35 PM | #22 | |
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April 2nd, 2013, 04:39 PM | #23 |
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I use k&n filters.
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April 3rd, 2013, 07:21 PM | #24 |
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I've used both the WIX and K&N, they both do what they are supposed to do! WIX is stock in our bikes and is a good company. Either one will do. I will probably do another WIX this Spring. I order my filter and oil from AMSoil.
No issue with the o-rings, they both come with new ones.
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April 4th, 2013, 11:03 AM | #25 |
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All I can find locally without being special ordered is Fram...For a 250 filter I don't think its a big deal as long as you use something on the regular...
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October 11th, 2015, 06:31 AM | #26 |
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I use the K&N 401 oil filter. I find that the large o ring is oversized for the filter cap. Yesterday when I looked under the bike. I noticed that the filter cap was leaking. I wanna change the filter and oring today. But it's impossible to find a motorcycle shop open on a Sunday where I can purchase an OEM oring.
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http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilters/ is a good comparison of a lot of different filters. Note that these are the canister ones, so the details may not directly correlate to 250 cartridge filters.
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At least for the canisters, K&Ns are just rebrands with a nut on the end. The car units are identical to Mobil1 and the older cheap AC Delco (made by Champion Labs). Their bike canisters are made by HiFlo. I personally use Purlolator PureOne filters on my stuff. They use synthetic filter media with a large surface area, and they're quite cheap (I got a handful of them for $3 each last time) and easy to find. Wix is generally pretty good. I've used them before, but they don't seem to be as common around here.
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I use WIX filters on all of my cycles. US-made and available at NAPA stores in Silver and Gold versions. I really don't think the oil filter is that critical as long as it's decent. |
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http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/index.shtml is another filter dissection site specifically for (canister) motorcycle filters.
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