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July 5th, 2012, 12:16 PM | #361 |
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reasons now one wants to invade Canada.
Its sucks. The end. although youve got some hotties up there, thats about the only thing you really have going for you. Of course most of my knowledge of Canada and its traditions come from South Park... (that was a joke, Im not sure if Canadians have a sense of humor)
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military vets can be a big help as well. you guys just need to keep on fighting and vet your leaders. might take years but the long term peace and prosperity, will be worth it. there are ways to fight technology, you just have to think about it. why limit yourself to a handgun after a full blown rebellion... your logic confuses me...use everything available at the time. Quote:
politicians might try to limit it at the local level, but it will be for nothing since the courts will overrule them. Quote:
universal suffrage was already gaining popularity after world war 1, since a lot of the men died during the war and women were running things around town and representing the community. Quote:
i would support sponsoring low income families with guns, if they sent their kids to military boarding school instead of a public school. i taught some "low income" kids kick boxing and setup a shooting team, it turned out great and they turned out to be some of the most grateful and dedicated individuals. you could probably eliminate most crime by giving them some good leadership. Quote:
the system here is not linked to taxes, the cost may seem high but the our taxes are much lower than other countries with universal healthcare. most decisions are based on the individual. i never experienced healthcare in the other places you mentioned. i would like for you to give opinions on the other systems. Quote:
if your statement were true, and it was a wash no matter what. then its actually ineffective and waste of time to regulate guns. Quote:
they are capable of both great and horrible things, but they are ineffective compared to determined local constituents. i think the main issue with our system is voter fraud. it has been ramping up recently in several states. they need to change the punishment to death instead of prison time. |
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i didn't have health insurance until i was 28.
i have good coverage now, but the costs are comparable to when i didn't have it. i guess i'm the guy they love to insure, since i don't have any problems/issues with my health. everytime i went in, it was quick and i was treated even when i had no insurance. i just had to make payments afterward. comparing the tax rates of other countries, i made out like a bandit even when paying out of pocket, lol. |
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July 5th, 2012, 01:25 PM | #364 |
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I've heard Canada's insurance is broke as hell... with crazy waiting room times and crap. Talked to some of the Canadian Marines that came down here to train with me for RIMPAC, they were all complaining about it as well just saying...
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You must be one of those people who thinks that billy bob's local militia would stand a chance against the strength of a trained, technologically advanced force with intelligence that has been conditioned to kill other human beings. If you gave every military age male not in the US military a gun and, assuming they were properly trained in its use, any modern fighting force would still take a giant dino dump on them with drones, airplanes, and other systems you will never gain access to or know how to use. Quote:
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King Jr., Martin Luther and Clayborne Carson (2001) The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr. New York: Grand Central Publishing. p. 147. (page 243 if you look at the amazon ebook) Not you. Check your previous post. Apparently you thought that the rich and well off citizens are the ones being mainly targeted by criminals. It was weird to me as well. Quote:
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All my experiences with Canadian healthcare has been pretty much the same with the American system, except that I didn't have to see my friends who weren't as lucky as me pass on getting medical attention/going to the doctor because they couldn't afford it but weren't poor enough to qualify for government aid. Quote:
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Voter fraud is almost non-existent in the United States. I don't know where people get this myth, because it's so easy to catch, easy to prosecute, and and has been shown to be a non-issue. The fact that your politicians are bought wholesale through campaign contributions is much more important. |
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fighting against an enemy with the technological upperhand does suck but people can overcome anything... don't discount them, negativity never won a battle. ingenuity creates victories. if your saying fighting for freedom is too hard. then we really have nothing else to discuss here. Quote:
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maybe he didn't like carrying but like i said he understood the importance of it. Quote:
i think you should read it over. if you don't understand risk/reward drive of most criminals then you just won't get it. the risk of getting killed interferes with their OODA loop... Quote:
i would fund training as well, just like the DCM did for the longest time. Quote:
my insurance has never disapproved anything. health insurance is a company, they charge whatever the market can bear. i honestly don't care about how much it costs, as long as i receive the best care. Quote:
they moved here to make more money, and get better medical treatment. if they weren't pleased with the situation, they would have move back to canada. Quote:
washington DC is also an anomaly but has a far higher crime rate than any state, and forbids guns. ill pick the semi dangerous place with a gun over an extremely dangerous place and unarmed. Quote:
ASIA and Europe, people pass through borders regularly, most people here just travel inside the US. concealed carry should be consistent between all states, and follow vermonts model for ease. Quote:
soft funds will be worked around no matter what. you just have to promote honest candidates and get them on the ballot. its the only way to be sure... |
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HAHA yeah, i dont understand people who are affraid of guns, when its not the guns that people should be affraid of, its what people who are too ill tempered/ immature to handle a fire arm do that they SHOULD be affraid of lol
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they simply concentrate on the wrong thing when they are afraid. good example is riding a motorcycle. rider1 looks at the turn, locks up and crashes. rider2 looks through the turn and completes it. both guys know what it takes to complete the turn. the difference is the rider2 did not let fear take control of his actions. even worst is if rider1 blames the bike, this means the fear controls his thoughts as well. then his logic is eroded, and any thought or action he makes afterward is suspect. |
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Your guns will never be useful against any sort of tyranny in the United States. Your hand guns and pistols will never defeat the strength of the US army and your untrained combat "ingenuity" won't prevent a drone from turning you into a small crater. Your only hope would be to pray for some sort of unlikely event where everything goes perfectly and the US military decides to side with you. Being "positive" in your case is planning and obsessing over one improbable event happening, with an even more improbable result. Quote:
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I'm going to point back to my opinion that this has more to do with the culture and society that these crimes happen in and in some of those, restricting guns does prevent crime. Quote:
Also, you probably don't want to fund training. That would require people sign up for it to get a gun and you'd need to increase taxes! Don't tread on me! Quote:
Insurance will often not pay for many procedures they would end up losing money on or only pay part of it. You're not an individual anymore under private insurance than "universal" health care. Quote:
Canada is #30 on the list previously discussed. Again: America has a great healthcare system but don't fool yourself into thinking you're the best in the world. Quote:
the US as a whole needs less regulation. ASIA and Europe, people pass through borders regularly, most people here just travel inside the US. concealed carry should be consistent between all states, and follow vermonts model for ease. Quote:
Yes, they will be worked around no matter what. But that's something we call straight out bribing, which isn't legal. |
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A small group of Jews in the Warsaw ghetto held off German troops from 19 April 1943 until 16 May 1943. Yes in the end they were overwhelmed but it might just surprise you what you can accomplish with a few small arms.
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I agree the civil disobedience is usually the best course of action, but Im afraid we are approaching the end of that. Our police are militarizing, as if they are preparing for a war at home. And they just may be. We should also be prepared for when/if that happens as well.
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they held territory with partisans, and overwhelmed military defenses through numbers. once it seemed possible for victory, they had support from international forces. did they lose people sure, but it seems like success to me. the real question now is if they can create a lasting republic... Quote:
absolute tyranny is currently impossible in the US, because people wont let it happen. it won't be that way forever, when the time comes my hope is people will be ready. Quote:
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the leaders of the movements have to decide whats best, but the option to fight when the time comes is much more effective with armed population. if not then logistics of getting small arms, will be another problem. Quote:
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they just had some back luck, i used to be poor too but i broke out of the cycle. funding this is cheap, the public school system and DCM used to promote marksmanship, $50/student/year. the safety lessons and discipline they learned from shooting, were worth every penny. creating future protectors of society is a legitimate role of government. the US, Switzerland, and Israel follow this model and subsidize training. socialist healthcare isn't imo, people are responsible for their own welfare. Quote:
the hospitals around here are good with all insurance. every private practice i went to, accept all insurance as well. even if it wasn't i would research what the best options for my individual situation. oh wait that's exactly what i did.... Quote:
we came here penniless, and work to success. from what i gather, universal systems are for suckers... the high tax rate and rationing outweigh any advantages it may offer. the insurance company may deny coverage in certain situations, but the government will do the same. the government is harder to sue. using frances tax rate most would be down over $300000 extra in taxes in their lifetimes. that's a lot of buying/investing power wasted... nonworking people are the only ones who have an advantage with the universal system. it does not fit well with capitalistic society. besides, we already subsidize medical treatment for the poor. Quote:
they quit making the comparison for a reason... its not accurate, the results are subjective. considering all the factors i listed before and the size of the country, we should be in the top five easily. Quote:
washington dc is not even a state but crime rate is much higher, even though there is no guns. gun control simply don't work, its a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. people got along pretty good without it. Quote:
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Go read up about it; Gaddafi's forced had pushed them all the way back to eastern Libya when NATO stepped in and started turning his forces into glass patches. That's when the Libyan rebels were able to push back. It doesn't mean that you'll suddenly transform into an optimal fighting force. It seems like you've never had experience or talked to a person who has lost family members or seen their entire city raised by their own military and government as punishment for the actions of a few. It changes people in ways you wouldn't expect or understand. This isn't a movie, this is real life where millions of different factors affect how you react to situations access to guns or not. Quote:
It's will justify its actions, attempt to garner support, and it's not going to be even close to the fantastic and naively patriotic image of a bunch of morally pure Americans fighting purely evil government. You are just having boyhood fantasies if you really think that's how conflicts are played out. Quote:
It doesn't mean that you'll suddenly transform into an optimal fighting force. It seems like you've never had experience or talked to a person who has lost family members or seen their entire city raised by their own military and government as punishment for the actions of a few. It changes people in ways you wouldn't expect or understand. This isn't a movie, this is real life where millions of different factors affect how you react to situations; access to guns or not. Quote:
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These movements have long historical backgrounds that you should be fully aware of as American citizen as they are some of the most long fought battles in your political history that are still being fought today. They didn't need armed rebellion because they had hope that they could change things through peaceful means instead of being politically inactive and hoping for some apocalypse level event where the entire united states would devolve into civil war. Quote:
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Switzerland and Israel have stringent and strict guidelines when it comes to gun ownership compared to the United States. They are three countries where it may make sense to have gun friendly laws. I am not arguing for universal gun bans. I am arguing for consideration of gun laws based on each country and state's people and culture. Quote:
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Gun control does work in some countries because it's been shown gun related violence has gone down some countries where it's been applied. It's also gotten worse in some places where its been applied so gun friendly laws work in some countries. You're still stuck on universal applications of your ideologies and laws, which is the exact same you're criticizing anti-gun advocates for. I haven't argued for mass regulation of guns but you seem to stuck in a mindset where you expect the other side to do that. Quote:
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i'm not disputing it, but the initial battle has to be made while the people still have the will for it. otherwise you will not gain support at all and the tyranny remains. Quote:
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most revolutionary wars are not immediately started it was drawn out over decades of outrage and all other avenues have been exhausted. the revolutionary side will be doing the same amount of propaganda and garnering support during this time. they will be planning scenarios, planting spies and such as well. nobody is morally pure but hopefully the freer side wins. Quote:
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slaves did fight up fighting a battle before civil war and winning against the us army. they were free after the battle. i forget which exact battle but it was during the seminole war... regardless of how peaceful the legal portion of the movement was, the country ended up fighting the civil war anyway. Quote:
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they have enough free time to watch tv. they can spend a couple of hours practicing. costing a lot of money to practice shooting is a myth. guns and ammo are readily available and cost effective. all guns come with a lock for free, and a case and chain can be brought for $30. Quote:
the US should be consistent in concealed carry reciprocity at the minimum. an individuals rights should not be marginalized by each and every local and state government. imagine if your if a culture doesn't support the rights of citizens, then i really cant respect their culture. i'm sorry i just can't support that... Quote:
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then i would say the people there have more of a need for guns. In the US its mostly a wash, but wherever there is gun control there is always a high crime rate. thats why deregulation is logical here. other countries with gun control and high crime, have societal issues that cant be solved with gun laws... the gun control does not work here either, and only hurts the honest citizen. gun control is a lose/lose ideal. it not even a band aid fix, its rubbing manure into a wound. Quote:
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Take the thread in a different direction?
So, when you carry concealed on your bike in the summer, how do you prevent your sweat from making your weapon rust?
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I just use a silicone cloth an give a quick wipedown. I have heard of some people with acidic sweat that duracoat or armor coat the external surface as an extra measure. Caught a deal on some armor coat and applied it all the weapons i carry to prevent rust even if stainless. When i get rained on, i'll field strip it and apply wd 40 and clean. Then apply an oil in all the normal surfaces. Your weapon may gain a slight patina over time but it will be perfectly preserved. Posted via Mobile Device |
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