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Old January 10th, 2018, 02:23 PM   #1
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Exclamation 07 250r Start Up Issues

Hello all,

So my problem started after 4 months sitting in garage. The petcock was turned off during that whole time. The first day I decided to start it after the its slumber, was a huge pain in the arse. After finally getting up and running, I changed its oil, coolant. Which was needing to be change regardless since its finally hit 12k miles. My problem now is after getting it running, when ever it sits after a few hours 3< it takes a while to start. Then when it sits over night its even worse, the bike is acting like its been sitting for months. I did leave a full tank in it when I left it in my garage, so Im waiting to finally hit reserve tank so i can put some Seafoam in it and see if a little scrubbing could help with that. Im just wondering what could be the cause of this slow and painful process to startup the bike.

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I would start with taking the carbs off and cleaning them.
How exactly do I do that? Is it a pretty easy thing to do, or should I take to the shop?
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here is a right up of hoe to pull the carbs, you can decide if it is easy or hard with the read as everyone's mechanic level is different, https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=890054

if your brand new to working on stuff and biking it might be alot.
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+1 for the Ducatiman service. I had him take care of two of mine last year. All of my starting issues went away!
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When you parked the bike 4 months ago, did you add Sta-bil to the fuel, and run it for a few minute, prior to shutting it off?

Have you tried draining the fuel, and replacing it with fresh fuel?

Have you drained the fuel bowls? There could be something in the bottom of them.
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I don't want to be too critical but.....a bush league video, the "toothbrush and spray can, driveway method". A crapshoot...this method may or may not be effective...as SO much is left undone. Not even close...can't remotely compete with correct, professional cleaning methods coupled with the use of modern machines.

As many of these bikes are ageing...more extensive service procedures are required...automatic replacement of consumables, confirmation of adjustments, micro cleaning and clearing every (full) circuit.....and much more

And a WARNING on the video...at 2:21 through 2:29.... NEVER EVER spray carb cleaner with slides/diaphragms installed. Would you risk spraying? Did anyone tell him the slides are PLASTIC, the diaphragms RUBBER? Permanent (expensive $$$) damage can occur, quite an ill advised method right there, unprofessional at best.

EDIT: the subject "carb clean" video I'm referring to has, thankfully, been removed
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How exactly do I do that? Is it a pretty easy thing to do, or should I take to the shop?
If needed, if your Seafoam efforts are unsuccessful, I'd strongly advise you to consider a "full service". You can PM me here....or contact though my website.

Providing your own labor (carbs off and on) will save a huge $ amount , even with my service $ considered.

Start the process by getting an estimate from your shop, then PM me to compare and consider. Note I'll do the carbs professionally and correctly, with a long service life going forward. No skimping out or omitting phases.
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Seafoam's overrated, they've spent A LOT of money on marketing.

Better to use Red Line SI-1 as it contains significant amount of PEA which does much, much better job of dissolving dried-gas varnish. Similar products with large does of PEA:

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I don't want to be too critical but.....a bush league video, the "toothbrush and spray can, driveway method". A crapshoot...this method may or may not be effective...as SO much is left undone. Not even close...can't remotely compete with correct, professional cleaning methods coupled with the use of modern machines.

As many of these bikes are ageing...more extensive service procedures are required...automatic replacement of consumables, confirmation of adjustments, micro cleaning and clearing every (full) circuit.....and much more

And a WARNING on the video...at 2:21 through 2:29.... NEVER EVER spray carb cleaner with slides/diaphragms installed. Would you risk spraying? Did anyone tell him the slides are PLASTIC, the diaphragms RUBBER? Permanent (expensive $$$) damage can occur, quite an ill advised method right there, unprofessional at best.
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Seafoam's overrated, they've spent A LOT of money on marketing.

Better to use Red Line SI-1 as it contains significant amount of PEA which does much, much better job of dissolving dried-gas varnish. Similar products with large does of PEA:

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I've always used Techron Concentrate. A buddy that works with auto emissions systems recommended it. He was impressed with the results in just one tank. He's not easily impressed...

It's not going to cure any serious carb problems or blockages, but it does clean the fuel system, intake valves, and combustion chamber.
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I've always used Techron Concentrate. A buddy that works with auto emissions systems recommended it. He was impressed with the results in just one tank. He's not easily impressed...

It's not going to cure any serious carb problems or blockages, but it does clean the fuel system, intake valves, and combustion chamber.
Yeah, won't dissolve dirt or rust. Gotta disassemble carbs for that.

I use these cleaners about once a year and before smog-testing on my autos. Cleans so well, I can see silver piston tops down spark-plug hole!!!
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Yeah, won't dissolve dirt or rust. Gotta disassemble carbs for that.

I use these cleaners about once a year and before smog-testing on my autos. Cleans so well, I can see silver piston tops down spark-plug hole!!!
Me too - once per season (after winter for me) in all my vehicles. 1oz per gal of Techron in the second tank of gas in the cycles after storage.

I was told GM actually recommends running Techron every oil change.
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I've always used Techron Concentrate. A buddy that works with auto emissions systems recommended it. He was impressed with the results in just one tank. He's not easily impressed...

It's not going to cure any serious carb problems or blockages, but it does clean the fuel system, intake valves, and combustion chamber.
For the hell of it I use Techron every spring and fall in my auto and a small amount in my bike every spring.

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Using as a *preventative*, I'm a long time advocate of Stabil 360 Marine, 1/2 oz in every tankful whenever practical. My carbed and FI bikes remain issue free.

Unfortunately, ethanol free not available at all in my area.
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I've actually had Techron make a gunked up carb on my Stihl chainsaw run like it had a complete cleaning, after adding it to the fuel, running the saw a while, and leaving it overnight. I'm sure it has limitations, and I'm sure it can't come close to doing what a thorough cleaning can do, but it's the only additive I've ever used that really made a difference.

Other products that contain the active ingredient like Redline SI-1 are undoubtedly as effective.
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Start the process by getting an estimate from your shop, then PM me to compare and consider. Note I'll do the carbs professionally and correctly, with a long service life going forward. No skimping out or omitting phases.
My local shop won't even attempt to service the Ninja 250 carbs. I was told that it is too much hassle for them.
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^ wow, a bike shop actually rejecting work.

I'd surmise that manufacturers service schools (for dealers) no longer include any carb education... as we're in a FI world now. Carbs simply no longer pertinent.

My (affordable) service remains available for any who choose. I know many folks DIY...but there are those, for various reasons, who don't.....and I'm simply a PM away.
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My local shop won't even attempt to service the Ninja 250 carbs. I was told that it is too much hassle for them.
At least they are honest about it.

It's a specialty that is no longer taught, and the Techs that knew how to work on them are probably retired.

That's why you have to go with someone that knows them - like Gordon (ducatiman).

Paying a dealer big bucks to try to service them would be a total waste of time and money, and chances are they wouldn't get it right anyway.
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At least they are honest about it.
Right. I wish more shops would reject work on the Kawasaki triples. It's amazing how often I'll get a call from a triple owner, telling me how his mechanic is having trouble getting it running. One "mechanic" called me to complain that his early H1 CDI unit didn't work. He had not even glanced at the instructions I sent with the unit, and had wired it incorrectly. He actually cut off the connectors I put on it for a Plug-and-Play installation so he could install it wrong. When I told him the correct way to do it, in an irritated voice, he said that he wished someone had bothered to tell him before. I reminded him that the unit came with instructions and all the said was a muffled "yeah".
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My local shop won't even attempt to service the Ninja 250 carbs. I was told that it is too much hassle for them.
It really does require specialized tools and techniques (black magic) that simply is not easy to teach. I was in Toyota dealer recently and was surprized their techs don't even know how to use vacuum-gauges, voltmeters or oscilloscopes! They just scan for OBD codes, and start replacing parts at random that relate to system implicated by scanner!

Most bike shops are in the same disposable mentality most people have nowadays; just toss it and buy new one. This applies to TVs, ovens, washing-machines, laptops, even people nowadays.
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Right. I wish more shops would reject work on the Kawasaki triples. It's amazing how often I'll get a call from a triple owner, telling me how his mechanic is having trouble getting it running. One "mechanic" called me to complain that his early H1 CDI unit didn't work. He had not even glanced at the instructions I sent with the unit, and had wired it incorrectly. He actually cut off the connectors I put on it for a Plug-and-Play installation so he could install it wrong. When I told him the correct way to do it, in an irritated voice, he said that he wished someone had bothered to tell him before. I reminded him that the unit came with instructions and all the said was a muffled "yeah".
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I'm a fixer, always have been, ingrained by my Pop who was brought up through the Great Depression and served in WWII. Nothing was thrown away or replaced, rather reused in some way or FIXED. That was the mentality back then and how I was brought up.

Grandpa was a radio repairman going way back....pre WWII. The family had a 30's "tube" radio in the kitchen ...right up into the late 70's when my Mom moved to Florida. Pop fixed it, usually replacing tubes, sometimes needing to get the soldering gun out. I've still got his 100W Archer gun (old early store brand of Radio Shack) Damn thing STILL WORKS! I use it often, its an animal (powerful)

"Fix it" is in my DNA.

We had an old clothes dryer...came with the house...I fixed maybe 2-3 times in a 10 year period...finally the heating element failed....I said can do..an easy fix....my wife FREAKED, demanded a new unit.....just for the sake of having a NEW ONE. I reluctantly capitulated.

Yup, the modern "throw away" mentality Jack Ryan references absolutely repulses me.
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I'm a fixer, always have been, ingrained by my Pop who was brought up through the depression and served in WWII. Nothing was thrown away or replaced, rather reused in some way or FIXED. That was the mentality back then.

Grandpa was a radio repairman going way back....pre WWII.

"Fix it" is in my DNA.

We had an old clothes dryer...came with the house...I fixed maybe 2-3 times in a 10 year period...finally the heating element failed....I said can do..an easy fix....my wife FREAKED, demanded a new unit.....just for the sake of having a NEW ONE. I reluctantly capitulated.

Yup, the modern "throw away" mentality Jack Ryan references absolutely repulses me.
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"Its either you or the garbage man, want it?" A direct quote from a neighbor lady.

This past summer these 2 neglected gopeds were discarded and given to me by different neighbors .....both needing carb and fuel system work, some engine mount hardware...minor stuff. Probably $20 in parts.......

Running/starting awesome after repairing ....I GAVE them (with parental permission) to teenage girlfriend/boyfriend neighbors.

We now have his/her *working* gopeds in the 'hood. The kids very appreciative, love them.

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one neighbor lady actually calls me "Mr Fixit"

Heres a Yamaha TT125...mid October the neighbor kid riding with a massive exhaust leak....obscenely loud and slow as hell....

bring that thing over here says I......

a massive split in the exhaust pipe right up at the head,....2 broken exhaust studs to boot (somebody tried to disassemble...snap, snap)

Ordered new gasket, studs, nuts ...found an affordable used pipe on Ebay...... Engine out, simple stud extraction no good, drilled, retapped and reinstalled studs. Reassemble all....with some detailed carb tweaking...starts on 1 kick...revs quickly and QUIETLY. My neighbors thanking me. Power restored, the kid thanking me too.

No labor $....the kid helped me paint my garage, a fair deal all around. Early November....bike and garage done.
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