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Old March 26th, 2009, 11:33 AM   #41
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I So, in a month, I end up spending less that $2 more for 91 and I don't have to worry about knocking.
it won't knock with 87, either.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 11:38 AM   #42
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Old March 26th, 2009, 11:43 AM   #43
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Ok so basically 87 makes sense to use. But, do you think brand really matters?
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Old March 26th, 2009, 11:53 AM   #44
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as long as it's a Top Tier gas, as was posted by Ryan, you should be fine. Not saying other gas brands are not good, but at least the Top Tier gases meet some sort of standard to be graded. With others, you might not know exactly what you are getting.

as far as brands between the top tier ones, personal preference.

I use Chevron because the local station that sells that brand, still comes out and pumps the gas for you. How often do you see that now days?
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Old March 26th, 2009, 12:00 PM   #45
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I use Chevron because the local station that sells that brand, still comes out and pumps the gas for you. How often do you see that now days?
Haha, here in Cali.. NEVER! But up in Oregon, it's the law to have full service.. you cannot pump your own gas. But yes, it is a nice thing
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Old March 26th, 2009, 12:41 PM   #46
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Same in NJ, but I think they let bikers do it themselves, at least I've heard.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 12:44 PM   #47
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Haha, here in Cali.. NEVER! But up in Oregon, it's the law to have full service.. you cannot pump your own gas.
LOL..... Thats what I was just thinking too
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Old March 26th, 2009, 01:07 PM   #48
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I use 87 99% of the time and sometimes use 93 if the bike has to sit in the garage for over a week or so.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 04:24 PM   #49
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I run 91 although there is no reason for me to do so. Just makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 05:15 PM   #50
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hey, Rich... you have a few bikes. Do they backfire on occasion when starting up?
Weird..... happened last weekend for the first time on one of em. First time ever.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 06:50 PM   #51
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87 here, of course.

I only put BP gas in mine as it's the only station that doesn't have that ethanol junk in it.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 06:51 PM   #52
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Engine life and reliability is important to me, so I run Shell 91. Lower octane gas is better for performance, though. Quality runs the same at all levels.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 07:05 PM   #53
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engine life and reliability wont be any better with the 91 lol well maybe reliability cuz the gas wont gum up on your valves as much as cheap gas
but engine life will be almost exactly the same with 91, 89, or 87
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Old March 27th, 2009, 08:01 AM   #54
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Mine gets RON 95 the lowest available in Switzerland.

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Old March 27th, 2009, 10:52 AM   #55
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No 93 today! The Department of Agriculture says its illegal, its impounded by the state of Florida. Tag didn't say why, just thought it was kinda funny

Good thing I was in the truck
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Old March 27th, 2009, 10:57 AM   #56
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Well that sucks. My car is tuned for 93. Is this just at that station, or the entire state?
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Old March 27th, 2009, 11:13 AM   #57
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^ Just went by the one station today. Went out to grab a subway, thought I better get some gas to pick the wife up from the airport tonight. They had the 93 handles covered up. I noticed the bottom of a tag, so I tore the bag up a bit to see.

You talking about your camaro runs on 93. Mine too, have the initial back to 1 for total of 34deg advance. Noticed along time ago with the knock sensor disconnected from the ESC module, the car would really fly. This new block didnt have spot for the knock sensor anyway.
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Old March 27th, 2009, 12:01 PM   #58
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WOW! i thought all bikes had to get premium! so if i just switch to 87 today there will not be any problems? okay, i just have to program my mind to 87 now and not 91. im glad i decided to click on this thread lol, I seriously thought motors on bikes needed fine filtered high octane petroleum (I learned something new today )
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Old April 5th, 2009, 12:06 AM   #59
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Can you grab a picture of the sticker. I just got my '09 in Feb and there is NO sticker as you've described.

And I feed her 87
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Old April 5th, 2009, 12:18 AM   #60
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thanks for the pic. do you know if the dealer puts that sticker on or does it come from the manufacturer that way? if from the manufacturer, something has changed. if from the dealer, they are incorrect.

my 08 calls for 91RON which is 87 PON (ron+mon/2).
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Old April 5th, 2009, 12:36 AM   #61
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Finally got a pic of the sticker:

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Where is that sticker exactly? I'll go have a look if it's underneath, but I haven't noticed anything elsewhere.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 12:40 AM   #62
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Where is that sticker exactly? I'll go have a look if it's underneath, but I haven't noticed anything elsewhere.
from his earlier post in this thread...

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I don't know if it's just from the dealer or not. It's right on top of the tank, just below the gas tank. It says "Important - Use only 90+ octane gasoline to avoid causing serious damage to engine." I thought it was full of crap, but wanted to make sure. I guess it could be a dealership thing? I know I saw it on all of the new Kawi bikes, but I didn't check the Suzuki or Honda (it's a 3 brand dealership).
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Old April 5th, 2009, 11:47 AM   #63
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lol but he confused me - its on top of the tank, below the tank... and if it is, in fact, underneath I figured it'd be hard for him to see on a new-gen and even harder to take a pic of it

but I'll have my tank off sometime this week to shim, so I'll double-check mine.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 12:46 PM   #64
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the octane requirement sticker is on the bottom of the passenger seat on my 08.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 01:49 PM   #65
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I'm suprised to see shell-canada in the top tier companies. I only use 91 in all my vehicle and had ****** gas mileage when i used shell once. Esso in canada is the gas that i will get the best mileage.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 01:56 PM   #66
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more likely the station than the gas brand.

our bikes don't require more than 87 octane PON.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:00 PM   #67
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I run 87 octane right now without any ping, but next month our fuel blend changes to what is run in California. So at that point I will have to switch to 91, otherwise I will get ping when the heat sets in. Its happened on every bike I have owned in AZ in the last 5 years.
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lol but he confused me - its on top of the tank, below the tank... and if it is, in fact, underneath I figured it'd be hard for him to see on a new-gen and even harder to take a pic of it

but I'll have my tank off sometime this week to shim, so I'll double-check mine.
Hehehe.... yeah that was my bad! I meant to say "it's right on top of the tank, inbetween the gas cap and the seat." Apparently I was asleep when I wrote that the first time. I have no idea who puts those stickers on. But I won't worry too much about it. My bike is fine so far!
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I run 87 octane right now without any ping, but next month our fuel blend changes to what is run in California. So at that point I will have to switch to 91, otherwise I will get ping when the heat sets in. Its happened on every bike I have owned in AZ in the last 5 years.
you mean a 10% ethanol blend? We've had that here for awhile and all the 250s here are running on it fine.

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Hehehe.... yeah that was my bad! I meant to say "it's right on top of the tank, inbetween the gas cap and the seat." Apparently I was asleep when I wrote that the first time. I have no idea who puts those stickers on. But I won't worry too much about it. My bike is fine so far!
gotcha lol. Maybe the tech just stuck it on the wrong bike lol. It wouldn't be the first time it was mistaken for a bigger bike
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Ok. Really quick qestion then: Why do all the new bikes have stickers that say use 90+ octane to keep from causing severe damage to the engine? I noticed that while checking some things on an 09 here. Is it just a trick to make you pay more for gas?
I think I found that sticker too, under the seat methinks? Been a while since I saw it, but it is indeed RON, which is the US equivalent of 87.

Putting anything higher than the recommended grade in your vehicle is a waste. 91 octane isn't really "premium" in the sense that it's better than 87 octane. 91 octane is simply more resistant to detonation so the engine can run a higher compression (resulting in more power) without causing premature, compression ignition (knock). Light 87 octane with a spark and it does the same thing as 91 octane lit with a spark.

Some vehicles work on multiple octane fuels, detecting the octane of whatever you put in it and adjusting the compression to allow more power output with the higher octane gas. Our bikes don't do that. Put 91 in our bikes and the engine burns it exactly the same as 87.
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What if I've always used 91 or 93 octane and switched back to 87? So I will get better gas and performance? I never knew I figured to put higher octane for the better. Perhaps I was wrong?
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you only need as much octane as the engine was designed for. In our bikes, it was designed for 87. Putting a higher octane gas does not improve the bike's performance in any way.
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thanks! 87 it is! save $
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I use 87 Shell. The bike performs well. Tried 91 and noticed no difference.
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hmm interesting! i always thought it needed 91. well, 87 it is lol
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Its not the octane number that matters for performance. I run 92 no alcohol gas. I can get it nearby that is alcohol free. Sometimes I find 87 no alcohol and Ill burn that. The ethonol is what kills performance and mileage.(just a little bit) Straight gas is the ticket. It takes roughly 30% more ethonal to get you down the road per gallon. Thats why cars that are run on E-85 get crap for mileage.
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Welp I decided to start using 91 octane gas. I have unlimited money so I also only use Evian sparkling water in my toilet and I make sure that I drop fresh air freshners into my garbage bags right before I seal them and put them outside in the trash (so if/when they break it doesn't make bad odors inside the garbage truck).

I never get why such simple premises like octane can really cause debates. People tie higher octane gas for "high performance" engines together and assume that it's the gas that's doing it. When in reality octane has nothing to do with performance. Nothing. nadda. zip (in reality it can actually hurt performance). If you go to the track and spend $7/gal for some 114 octane gas guess what you should expect? You'll burn your 02 sensor out (on your car) and not gain a single horsepower. Octane is a measurement of detonation resistance and that is IT. Higher combustion chamber pressures (from perhaps a super/turbo charger or domed pistons) present greater risk towards detonation and need more detonation resistant fuel. It'd be like a firefighter showing up and putting out a duraflame log with a fire hose. Sure it works, but it's way overkill.
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Wow TJ, the garbage men that take your garbage must love you for that
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