Official 2013 Ninja 300 (and 250) Thread

[Aufitt]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I like analog dashes alot. I like the dash on my 250 better than the one on my 1000.

While it may have a small amount more power in the lower revs its not going to be anything life changing and in doing so they actually lowered the max torque of the bike as well as the max rpms.

Oh boy fuel injection! Fuel injection on a bike that nearly every owner makes mods to, uh oh. Slip on, full exhaust, or intake mods? Hope you have the extra cash for a power commander so you don't burn up your engine.

And feminine headlight... Really?

Bazazz is so tuneable, they will make one.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Aufitt

Bazazz is so tuneable, they will make one.

No question they will make one, thats what I was saying with the power commander (they already have one for the 250). Now how many people do you think are going to drop $380 on a bazzaz in order to install their slip ons? A full system guy probably will but now his cost to do these mods is closing in on $1000

[Aufitt]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

No question they will make one, thats what I was saying with the power commander (they already have one for the 250). Now how many people do you think are going to drop $380 on a bazzaz in order to install their slip ons? A full system guy probably will but now his cost to do these mods is closing in on $1000

You should check the prices, bazzaz is under 300.

Is that alot of money in the USA?

[Jiggles]

I did check their prices, they sell for $380

And is it a lot of money? Well it doubles the price of a good slip on and theres a few full systems you can get for that much

[Aufitt]

http://www.biohazardcycles.com/servl...-dsh-FI/Detail

Then yes I agree you should get the Zafm too.. but it opens up a world of possibilities.
its a good product.

And no carbs.. you will convert in time

Edit- and you DONT need a bazazz for just a slipon with an insert.. only for a fulll system

[coachkyle89]

I used to ride a 02 TL1000R with Timing Retard Eliminator and +2 in the rear BLAH MODS BLAH BLAH ...it was a little torquey, sold it this summer. I think it's a matter of love instead of logic when it comes to spending money on a 250R to make it faster. When competing with other 250's- yes, it makes sense to drop in some serious cash but for non-competitive recreational use I think it's just a matter of loving the bike your on and being proud of it if you're going to put some goodies on it. I built a CRF50 from hand starting with a frame and dropped $2500ish on it. Granted it did about 80mph when I was done with it, but from a logical standpoint it's financially stupid. It felt so good riding it though. I forgot what I was talking about. dur

[Numbersix]

Originally Posted by coachkyle89

reminds me of a KTM-scheme

That's 'cause of the orange & white stickers. I could lose those.

[Jiggles]

I'm planning on switching over to fuel injection. I'm in fact happy that the new ninjas have FI because it will be much easier for me to get a throttle body now. My point is it has just become a lot more expensive to do minor performance modifications to the bike, and that is lame. Carbs can be tuned for far cheaper than FI. I'm not arguing that carbs are better than FI (I would never want carbs on any other bike besides the 250) but I think carbs > FI on the ninja 250 because of how much people like to modify them and squeeze out every last ounce of power from the engine

[Aufitt]

Track days are the cheapest performance mod, carries over onto every bike you will ever own.

Now.. back to the 2013 Ninja..not the 2012 or how butthurt its made ppl :P

[Jiggles]

I'll take your lack of rebuttal and changing the subject as agreement with my statements.

Yes track days are the best way to enhance your skills. I'm planning on going as soon as my leg is healed enough that I could handle everything involved with it. I hope to eventually get into a racing league and I'm hoping they will allow me to use a fuel injection conversion as long as the throttle body is OEM

[coachkyle89]

Yeah I was just discussing that the rationale of modifying a small displacement bike is a matter of owner pride and for the enjoyment as a hobby, instead of logic. Unless using it for professional racing where a profit could be made. I agree with your stance on fuel injection vs. carb affordability. I think I drank too much caffiene. MMMM GREY SPECIAL EDITION= FASTEST

[Jiggles]

I've currently got an all stock ninja 250. There is a significant difference compared to my 250 that had a full exhaust on it. This bike hits its limit right around 10k and then the power starts to fade. With the exhaust I had it would pull hard all the way to 12k and I didn't even have any intake mods. It's a big difference especially on the highway. I never had an issue passing people on the highway before but now when those ponies start fading I'm just like dayum....

[Aufitt]

Those new fangdangled CDI systems will never take off, we need points so we can adjust them all the time.

[coachkyle89]

So I just browsed YouTube 2013 Ninja. Read on the comments on that one video of the guy in Indonesia that took delivery of a white '13. He said his shop he got it from has one with just a slip on (no tuning or anything) that made another 3 1/2 horse.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by coachkyle89

So I just browsed YouTube 2013 Ninja. Read on the comments on that one video of the guy in Indonesia that took delivery of a white '13. He said his shop he got it from has one with just a slip on (no tuning or anything) that made another 3 1/2 horse.

That my friend is what we call a lie

[coachkyle89]

Yes well as we all know Indonesian horses are dirtier and less powerful than American horses. So it might equate to half a horse here in the states.
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[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by coachkyle89

Yes well as we all know Indonesian horses are dirtier and less powerful than American horses. So it might equate to half a horse here in the states.
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Without retuning the ECU I doubt there would be any performance increase.

[choneofakind]

I still think this bike looks amazing, and I want to test ride it at a Kawasaki demo day to see if they improvements are as impressive as the hype is making them.

It could be a really sweet bike if they did it right.

[Kstorm21]

Anyone notice how the taillights seem really far back. Like they knew everyone was chopping off the rear fender cause it's ugly. At lease they could cut it down and it not stick out so far. Now it looks way far back like it's pointless to chop it off cause it'll be ugly either way. Does that make sense?

[carlos]

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/08/03...ki-ninja-250r/

some one post pics if you want i don't feel like converting the code over

[Jiggles]

Old news is old

[Somchai]

ok, then here is some new news.
I don't know about America but it looks like that this Ninja wouldn't be sold in Europe and I know from Germany that they'd change the law and this means that beginners now can ride a bike with up to 48 PS (maybe there it's a 300 or 400 cc?).
Take a look here for infos from a guy in Turkey: http://www.newninja.com/forums/f135/...rkey-7814.html

[ADoMinGu3z]

i personally dont like the front end where the head lights sit. glad i got a 2012

[Alex]

/thread merged

[akima]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I'm planning on switching over to fuel injection. I'm in fact happy that the new ninjas have FI because it will be much easier for me to get a throttle body now. My point is it has just become a lot more expensive to do minor performance modifications to the bike, and that is lame. Carbs can be tuned for far cheaper than FI. I'm not arguing that carbs are better than FI (I would never want carbs on any other bike besides the 250) but I think carbs > FI on the ninja 250 because of how much people like to modify them and squeeze out every last ounce of power from the engine

If the ninjette came with a fully customizable ECU (so all the software and hardware you need to adjust its mappings etc), then would it be easier to tune the bike than if you had carbs?

(I know that it likely wont come with a fully customizable ECU; I'm just wondering)

Originally Posted by coachkyle89

I used to ride a 02 TL1000R with Timing Retard Eliminator and +2 in the rear BLAH MODS BLAH BLAH ...it was a little torquey, sold it this summer. I think it's a matter of love instead of logic when it comes to spending money on a 250R to make it faster. When competing with other 250's- yes, it makes sense to drop in some serious cash but for non-competitive recreational use I think it's just a matter of loving the bike your on and being proud of it if you're going to put some goodies on it. I built a CRF50 from hand starting with a frame and dropped $2500ish on it. Granted it did about 80mph when I was done with it, but from a logical standpoint it's financially stupid. It felt so good riding it though. I forgot what I was talking about. dur

I like how you put that. It's not so much about the extra performance, but more about enhancing the machine that you love.

[Jiggles]

Well your hands wouldn't get as dirty

[Boom King]

Not sure if this vid has been posted here yet. Someone in Indonesia owns both a 2009 and 2013 and made a comparison. It's really just comparing the plastic trim pieces and controls. NO actual riding comparison or review. I'm sure those are already up on the Indonesian forums.

Caution: There's a lot of finger tapping in this video and it's 240p

Link deleted.

[Jiggles]

You know you can get banned for posting videos that are that awful

[Alex]

Someone had posted that up over here.

[Bristecom]

OK, so I'm really excited about this bike. But the only thing I'm disappointed with is the fact that it still comes with bias ply tires!

Even the Honda CBR250R is designed for radials. I mean, I'm glad they upped the rear tire size so now there are same size radial options available but I worry that the suspension and frame and everything isn't quite designed for performance radial tires so it could feel a bit funky at times if I make the switch. But one thing's for sure, I'm trashing the IRC tires the day I get it.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Even the Honda CBR250R is designed for radials.

What does this mean? The mini-CBR is released with the same OEM tires as the Ninjette, and now it looks like they will have identical sizes as well. The suspension technology on both bikes is quite similar, and I don't see how the Honda is any more suited (or less suited) for stickier radial tires than the ninjette is.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Alex

What does this mean? The mini-CBR is released with the same OEM tires as the Ninjette, and now it looks like they will have identical sizes as well. The suspension technology on both bikes is quite similar, and I don't see how the Honda is any more suited (or less suited) for stickier radial tires than the ninjette is.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cb...fications.aspx

It says there that the stock tires are radials. Radials have a pretty different construction and properties than bias ply tires. Bikes are generally designed for one or the other as far as I understand it. So if we stuck some nice modern sport/race radials on the Ninja 250, we'd probably need to replace the forks and shock to better suit them. And even still, the frame and geometry may not be optimized for such radial tires. But again, I'm sure it can be done with stock components, but it won't be ideal...

[Alex]

Unless IRC makes the same exact tires in both radial and bias-ply versions, I'd doubt the spec sheet on that honda page. Here is the OEM tire for the CBR:

https://www.denniskirk.com/rear-road...re.p544208.prd

It's a bias-ply.

[choneofakind]

uhhhh

1) we know about different tire constructions
2) the CBR definitely comes on the same IRC Road Winners, aka, bias-ply tires
3) The ninjette rocks on sticky radials more than on bias plys, which is the only reason pregens are inferior; we can't fit radials on our rims
4) what exactly would have to be different about the geometry? Racers change the shocks and forks anyways, as do many of us who ride mostly road. A stock bike still rules on sticky radials without any other changes. It will still do more than most riders can, so I feel like being at 99.5% on radials with suspension that's not optimized for radials will not be an issue at all.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Alex

Unless IRC makes the same exact tires in both radial and bias-ply versions, I'd doubt the spec sheet on that honda page. Here is the OEM tire for the CBR:

https://www.denniskirk.com/rear-road...re.p544208.prd

It's a bias-ply.

Oh ok, that may be true then. I've seen stupid mistakes like that on manufacturer pages before. Well, that makes me feel a little better but I still wish they would have tuned the suspension for radials; that would make a pretty big difference in performance vs. the previous gen I would think.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Oh ok, that may be true then. I've seen stupid mistakes like that on manufacturer pages before. Well, that makes me feel a little better but I still wish they would have tuned the suspension for radials; that would make a pretty big difference in performance vs. the previous gen I would think.

I don't even know of that's an actual thing, tuning for radials? But are you really complaining that the stock ninjette won't perform well enough because it comes with bias ply? The suspension is not even great in the first place and lets be honest here, the ninja is capable of more than you will ever be able to dish out

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I don't even know of that's an actual thing, tuning for radials? But are you really complaining that the stock ninjette won't perform well enough because it comes with bias ply? The suspension is not even great in the first place and lets be honest here, the ninja is capable of more than you will ever be able to dish out

From bias to radial and from touring to sport to race, there are changes desired in the suspension to match the characteristics/construction of the tire. But I suppose I would want/need better forks/shock anyway for track use. But no, I'm sure this new Ninja will still be very impressive, but I'm the type that likes to push things to the limit, so I always want them to be that little bit better and to get the most for my money, stock. But I guess I'll just have to test it out myself and see how it feels.

[Bristecom]

Some other strange things I noticed:

Lower compression ratio of 11.3 vs 11.6; could it be designed for regular octane fuels? (I still don't think it's low enough for that)

Higher rake angle of 27 vs 26; could it be less agile?

It looks like you HAVE to buy the ugly-ass special edition colors if you want ABS.

Grr, just let me buy a solid color bike with ABS, Kawasaki! Nobody wants to pay more for your hideous color themes!

[Jiggles]

Ninja 250 already takes regular 87 octane....

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Ninja 250 already takes regular 87 octane....

I thought it required premium.