Best brake pad for 2fiddy

randomwalk101 · October 22nd, 2009, 02:54 PM

I basically narrowed it down to these two...which one do you think it's the best?

EBC FA197-HH
Vesrah JL **(RJL and SRJL is not available for 250 for now)**

Alex · October 22nd, 2009, 04:15 PM

Check out the wiki article here:

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Which_brake_pads

It comes to the same conclusion you did, that the EBC FA197HH seem to be the way to go. I've got the EBC197 (non-HH) on the front right now, and that was not an optimal choice, and will be switching them out for the HH's the next time I get a minute while the bike is on stands.

I haven't seen a comparison with the Vesrah JL's yet.

Grn99Kawi · October 22nd, 2009, 05:09 PM

agree with Alex. the sintered metal pads are OEM on the 07-down models.. it only stands to reason that the 08-10s are as well. The EBC HH seems to be the part of choice as well.

Mo1981 · October 22nd, 2009, 05:24 PM

I have the FA197HH and the performance is much better than stock. Took me a day or so to get used to them.

SF-Dug · October 22nd, 2009, 05:28 PM

I am in the market for new pads myself as well what is a good website that has these pads in stock? I can't seem to find these pads on the regular sites I buy from it seems.

Alex · October 22nd, 2009, 05:31 PM

The front and rear brakes are identical, so anything that works for the front will work for the rear. That said, for an optimal brake balance, it's not always a good idea to have extra grippy rear pads. Running FA197HH on the front and FA197 (non-HH) on the rear is probably a reasonable idea. I picked up some FA197HH's awhile back on cyclebrakes.com; good pricing and quick shipping.

SF-Dug · October 22nd, 2009, 05:57 PM

Thanks for the info Alex. One last n00b question if you don't mind. Do they come in sets of two pads per order?

gamma500 · October 22nd, 2009, 06:27 PM

1 order = 1 caliper setup = 2 pads

SF-Dug · October 22nd, 2009, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma500

1 order = 1 caliper setup = 2 pads

Thanks for the info. Just finished putting in my order at cyclebrakes.

gamma500 · October 22nd, 2009, 06:44 PM

Good deal..that's where I got mine. Not sure if needed on bike rotors but a carry over from my track cars...I give the rotor a clean with SimpleGreen or the like and a fine weave steel wool or a soap impregnated steel wool pad to clean off the old pad material. It took me a good 200-300 miles of new pad bedding in before I got the stopping performance back...probably longer than some other folk since I was easy on the brake lever for that period. Overall, the stock sintered pads are pretty comparable to the EBC HH's as I think you'll notice.

HKr1 · October 22nd, 2009, 07:35 PM

EBC needs to get the extreme pads going for the 250r.

NorCal_250R · October 25th, 2009, 08:55 PM

Why would you need anything more extreme that HH? You will just fry the rotor...

Alex · December 30th, 2009, 05:28 PM

Finally got off my lazy butt and changed out the front pads on the ninjette. The shop put on FA197's during the last service, and I wasn't happy with their performance. When I took them off today, they had plenty of meat left, but they looked completely cooked, entirely black and flaky in fact. Replaced them with FA197HH's, and went for a test ride. At first they didn't feel much different, but after just a few miles, they started to bed in, and by the end of the ride (20ish miles), they felt perfect, just as nice as the original HH's, if not better.

MKlein3004 · December 30th, 2009, 08:18 PM

what do these said pads run usually

Momaru · December 30th, 2009, 08:54 PM

I'd say "I agree, FA197HH pads are excellent" but I haven't gotten around to putting them on yet...

Think I paid 30/pair (covers one wheel) from my local shop, but they can be hard to find at times. Here's a fair price ($34) @ motorcyclesuperstore, which seems to have them in stock atm:

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...50R-Parts.aspx

I think I mentioned it in another thread, but I'll put it here too:
Make sure you get the correct FA197HH pads. There was a factory screw-up a while back that put the braking compound on the wrong side of the backing plate a while back, so you wound up with a mirror image of what ya need (unless you wanna start with the backing plates on your rotor). If you get a bad set of pads, just contact EBC directly and they'll replace them.

DSC04305.jpg
The set on the left are wrong
The set on the right are what you want

Alex · December 30th, 2009, 09:01 PM

$34 from cyclebrakes.com right here.

MKlein3004 · December 30th, 2009, 09:30 PM

Thanks guys, i am no where near needing new pads and i am currently upgrading the nut on top of the bike before i go and do anything performance wise to it. I am looking at trying my first track day since i have a track 5 miles away from me (texas motor speedway) thats why i ask about brakes, i will need them probably after a couple trips there.

Vatos_locos · January 8th, 2010, 05:10 AM

my ninja had some HH Nissin pads
i changed them with some Carbon/Ceramic brembo the blue ones ( medium hardness ) and the brakes are way better now

bob706 · January 8th, 2010, 11:03 AM

Recently replaced oem's with ebc hh and what a difference. ebc hh ftw

ninja250 · January 9th, 2010, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob706

Recently replaced oem's with ebc hh and what a difference. ebc hh ftw

Shweeeet. Mine are on the way with my brake lines. Can't wait to try them!

Vatos_locos · January 9th, 2010, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducducgooseit

Are you using the stock calipers or have you changed them (the calipers) out for some brembos?

stock calipers the ones with two pistons
with brembo pads blue carbon/ceramic http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4457/08012010282.jpg

MKlein3004 · January 9th, 2010, 03:43 PM

looks like ebc is the way i will be going too when i decide to upgrade them. Everyone seems happy with the way they perform

October 22nd, 2009, 02:54 PM	#1
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	Best brake pad for 2fiddy I basically narrowed it down to these two...which one do you think it's the best? EBC FA197-HH Vesrah JL (RJL and SRJL is not available for 250 for now)

October 22nd, 2009, 04:15 PM	#2
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Check out the wiki article here: http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Which_brake_pads It comes to the same conclusion you did, that the EBC FA197HH seem to be the way to go. I've got the EBC197 (non-HH) on the front right now, and that was not an optimal choice, and will be switching them out for the HH's the next time I get a minute while the bike is on stands. I haven't seen a comparison with the Vesrah JL's yet. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

October 22nd, 2009, 05:09 PM	#3
Grn99Kawi ninjette.org sage Name: A Location: Long Island, NY Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2000 Honda CBR600F4 (sold) 1999 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: 586	agree with Alex. the sintered metal pads are OEM on the 07-down models.. it only stands to reason that the 08-10s are as well. The EBC HH seems to be the part of choice as well. __________________________________________________ 2000 Honda CBR600F4 Silver and Red 1999 Kawi Racing Green Ninja 250 sold

October 22nd, 2009, 05:24 PM	#4
Mo1981 ninjette.org member Name: Matt Location: Keller, TX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ebony Ninja 250R Posts: 137	I have the FA197HH and the performance is much better than stock. Took me a day or so to get used to them. __________________________________________________ Matt 2008 Ebony Ninja 250R (a.k.a. "Venom")

October 22nd, 2009, 05:31 PM	#6
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	The front and rear brakes are identical, so anything that works for the front will work for the rear. That said, for an optimal brake balance, it's not always a good idea to have extra grippy rear pads. Running FA197HH on the front and FA197 (non-HH) on the rear is probably a reasonable idea. I picked up some FA197HH's awhile back on cyclebrakes.com; good pricing and quick shipping. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

October 22nd, 2009, 05:28 PM	#5
SF-Dug ninjette.org member Name: Dug Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Posts: 81	I am in the market for new pads myself as well what is a good website that has these pads in stock? I can't seem to find these pads on the regular sites I buy from it seems.

October 22nd, 2009, 05:57 PM	#7
SF-Dug ninjette.org member Name: Dug Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Posts: 81	Thanks for the info Alex. One last n00b question if you don't mind. Do they come in sets of two pads per order?

October 22nd, 2009, 06:27 PM	#8
gamma500 ninjette.org member Name: Craig Location: Asheville, NC Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 98	1 order = 1 caliper setup = 2 pads

October 22nd, 2009, 06:44 PM	#10
gamma500 ninjette.org member Name: Craig Location: Asheville, NC Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 98	Good deal..that's where I got mine. Not sure if needed on bike rotors but a carry over from my track cars...I give the rotor a clean with SimpleGreen or the like and a fine weave steel wool or a soap impregnated steel wool pad to clean off the old pad material. It took me a good 200-300 miles of new pad bedding in before I got the stopping performance back...probably longer than some other folk since I was easy on the brake lever for that period. Overall, the stock sintered pads are pretty comparable to the EBC HH's as I think you'll notice.

October 22nd, 2009, 07:35 PM	#11
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	EBC needs to get the extreme pads going for the 250r.

October 25th, 2009, 08:55 PM	#12
NorCal_250R ninjette.org member Name: Jordan Location: Corte Madera Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 06 Ninja 650R, 08 Ninja 250R, 00 Aprilia SR50 (dead) Posts: 94	Why would you need anything more extreme that HH? You will just fry the rotor...

December 30th, 2009, 05:28 PM	#13
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Finally got off my lazy butt and changed out the front pads on the ninjette. The shop put on FA197's during the last service, and I wasn't happy with their performance. When I took them off today, they had plenty of meat left, but they looked completely cooked, entirely black and flaky in fact. Replaced them with FA197HH's, and went for a test ride. At first they didn't feel much different, but after just a few miles, they started to bed in, and by the end of the ride (20ish miles), they felt perfect, just as nice as the original HH's, if not better. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

December 30th, 2009, 08:18 PM	#14
MKlein3004 Fighting Texas Aggie '08 Name: Mitchell Location: Allen, Tx Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r (Race), 2005 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 636 (Track), 2005 Ducati Monster 620 (Street) Posts: 541	what do these said pads run usually

December 30th, 2009, 08:54 PM	#15
Momaru ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paul Location: Roanoke, VA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Candy Plasma Blue 250R Posts: A lot.	I'd say "I agree, FA197HH pads are excellent" but I haven't gotten around to putting them on yet... Think I paid 30/pair (covers one wheel) from my local shop, but they can be hard to find at times. Here's a fair price ($34) @ motorcyclesuperstore, which seems to have them in stock atm: http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...50R-Parts.aspx I think I mentioned it in another thread, but I'll put it here too: Make sure you get the correct FA197HH pads. There was a factory screw-up a while back that put the braking compound on the wrong side of the backing plate a while back, so you wound up with a mirror image of what ya need (unless you wanna start with the backing plates on your rotor). If you get a bad set of pads, just contact EBC directly and they'll replace them. DSC04305.jpg The set on the left are wrong The set on the right are what you want __________________________________________________ Proud member of the Blue Army Last futzed with by Momaru; December 30th, 2009 at 09:20 PM. Reason: price specified

December 30th, 2009, 09:01 PM	#16
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	$34 from cyclebrakes.com right here. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

December 30th, 2009, 09:30 PM	#17
MKlein3004 Fighting Texas Aggie '08 Name: Mitchell Location: Allen, Tx Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r (Race), 2005 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 636 (Track), 2005 Ducati Monster 620 (Street) Posts: 541	Thanks guys, i am no where near needing new pads and i am currently upgrading the nut on top of the bike before i go and do anything performance wise to it. I am looking at trying my first track day since i have a track 5 miles away from me (texas motor speedway) thats why i ask about brakes, i will need them probably after a couple trips there.

January 8th, 2010, 05:10 AM	#18
Vatos_locos ninjette.org member Name: Panos Location: Greece Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 13	my ninja had some HH Nissin pads i changed them with some Carbon/Ceramic brembo the blue ones ( medium hardness ) and the brakes are way better now

January 8th, 2010, 11:03 AM	#19
bob706 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sean Location: Mary Esther, FL Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 1998 HD Road King Posts: A lot.	Recently replaced oem's with ebc hh and what a difference. ebc hh ftw

January 9th, 2010, 03:43 PM	#22
MKlein3004 Fighting Texas Aggie '08 Name: Mitchell Location: Allen, Tx Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r (Race), 2005 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 636 (Track), 2005 Ducati Monster 620 (Street) Posts: 541	looks like ebc is the way i will be going too when i decide to upgrade them. Everyone seems happy with the way they perform

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