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Old October 3rd, 2015, 03:54 PM   #1
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Is Honda coming out with the bike we've all been waiting for?

The story came out a few days ago. Thought somebody else might mention it, but I guess not so I'll get the ball rolling.

Honda Lightweight Super Sport Concept


It's the combination of "lightweight" and "Super Sport" that makes this one interesting.
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Old October 3rd, 2015, 04:30 PM   #2
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That thing is sexy as all hell.
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Old October 3rd, 2015, 04:35 PM   #3
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That thing is a concept bike.

Since when did any of the sexy on a concept bike make it onto a production model?
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idk, its sexy, looks like an R1M tail and a Ducati front end
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Old October 3rd, 2015, 04:49 PM   #5
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rather late to the party, Ducati did a sub 400 lb 900cc Superlight over 20 years ago.

Whatta Honda been waiting for?
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That thing is a concept bike.

Since when did any of the sexy on a concept bike make it onto a production model?
With the exception of the aftermarket exhaust I don't see why they couldn't come out with a bike that is like the one shown. The exciting part is that it appears to have a real frame, swing arm, and suspension.

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rather late to the party, Ducati did a sub 400 lb 900cc Superlight over 20 years ago.

Whatta Honda been waiting for?
Not in the same category. The Honda is speculated to be 250cc, though I wouldn't be surprised to see something in the 300-400cc range if it's actually released,.. and hopefully no more than 350lbs and at least 50hp.
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all it is missing is the under tail exhaust.
beautiful bike.
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Not in the same category. The Honda is speculated to be 250cc, though I wouldn't be surprised to see something in the 300-400cc range if it's actually released,.. and hopefully no more than 350lbs and at least 50hp.
"Supersport"? I was misled by the use of the term, apparently.
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"Supersport"? I was misled by the use of the term, apparently.
No it's just that I don't put a 900cc bike in the lightweight category.

I'm thinking more of bikes like the 250cc inline fours.
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and I don't put a 250 in the Supersport category.

The concept of lightweight, matched with a truly potent, svelte powerplant is good stuff, though.
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and I don't put a 250 in the Supersport category.
250cc Super Sport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CBR250



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Concept bike with a single rotor up front? Tells me it's slow. And we all love slow bikes.
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very pretty pics of lightweights never sold in the US.

Here's a couple lightweight Supersports
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Looks promising, but knowing Honda, we know they are going to b ultra conservative about it...
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Does look cool. Too bad it's a Honda.

I'd rather it was a Kawasaki...or a Suzuki...or a Yamaha...or a...
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According to the FIM technically

Superbike = 750cc 4 1000cc twin -> changed to 1000cc 4 1200cc twin
Supersport = 600cc 4 750 twin -> 600cc 4 675 3 and I think technically still a 750 twin

Alot of people refer to 'supersport" and "superbike" in reference to the race replica class bikes but the term has been extended to the "top tier" performance models in each displacement range. Even Kawi labels all the R bikes "supersports" while Suzi calls them "sportbikes".

Either way the term is used a little bit loosely, and not work the scrutiny lol


As far as this little Honda ...... I can't quite decide what the emphasis was lol. I mean its got larger upside down forks but no radial opposed piston calipers. Its got what appears to be "non-traditional" steel frame instead of the standard twin-spar aluminum for sportbikes but its got nicer aluminum swingarm. Clip ons but non-detachable subframe.

As a concept it looks amazing, will be interested to see what actually makes it if the bike moves forward.
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As far as this little Honda ...... I can't quite decide what the emphasis was lol. I mean its got larger upside down forks but no radial opposed piston calipers. Its got what appears to be "non-traditional" steel frame instead of the standard twin-spar aluminum for sportbikes but its got nicer aluminum swingarm. Clip ons but non-detachable subframe.

As a concept it looks amazing, will be interested to see what actually makes it if the bike moves forward.
It is a bit half-way, but better than what we are accustomed to (recently) for a small sportbike or whatever.

You are right - things can change A LOT if it does see production. The R3 prototype was amazing (MotoGP/new R1-look) but lost most of its coolness in the production version.
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only problem is that it looks like another parallel twin (I want the stupid high rev I4 250s)

and that it's not a kawasaki 300 with USD forks
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I'd be fine with another inline twin. Make it a screamer though. None of this cbr500 fluffy stuff.
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My $0.02 on this bike...

The entry sport bike class is now crowded with entries from four manufacturers, including Honda. We don't need another, unless:

1) Honda kills off the CBR300R single in favor of something more directly comparable to the R3 and Ninja 300 (i.e., a parallel twin entry level sportbike, with steel frame, upright ergos and nothing but shock preload for suspension adjustments), or

2) Honda ups the game with a true sport bike that has no direct competition, similar to KTM's approach but taken a step beyond. That means higher spec everything, and a higher price tag to go with it. Create that bridge between the Ninja 300 and a 600 supersport for the performance/track rider.

From a business standpoint, 2 makes no sense. As much as some of us would love to see it, the demand isn't there to justify it. It'd be a machine designed for a very, very small niche market.

Even 1 is questionable. Honda's smart move is to admit that the CBR300R isn't as appealing a sport bike as either the Ninjette or R3, let it disappear and just go all in on the naked version to grab the current infatuation with naked bikes.

To be honest I think Honda has created some problems for itself. In the last few years it's introduced three perfectly nice faired motorcycles -- the CBR650F, the CBR500R and the CBR300R. Not one of these has garnered much interest from anyone. So what's the point of adding yet another one, if it's just going to be more of same?

Honda needs to inject some passion somewhere.
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To be honest I think Honda has created some problems for itself. In the last few years it's introduced three perfectly nice faired motorcycles -- the CBR650F, the CBR500R and the CBR300R. Not one of these has garnered much interest from anyone. So what's the point of adding yet another one, if it's just going to be more of same?

Honda needs to inject some passion somewhere.
admittedly these are some true statements - especially the last one

the one caveat is that while the smaller/cheaper Honda's many not have set the scene on fire in the US, they have done quite well globally with the 500s and 300s from a sales perspective.
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I was wondering if you guys caught wind of the honda concept bike. If an inline 4 250cc bike actually makes it into production then that would be awesome news! (even if it is just a honda) It would only be a matter of time before the other manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon.

Although, i'd be surprised if it ever even makes it to North America, these sort of cool toys are typically never on our part of the world




It sorta resembles the ninja 300. Same looking tail and similar mid fairing.
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In the last few years it's introduced three perfectly nice faired motorcycles -- the CBR650F, the CBR500R and the CBR300R. Not one of these has garnered much interest from anyone.

Honda needs to inject some passion somewhere.
When I was shopping for a 600, I completely dismissed the new CBR600rr simply because it is slower, and uglier than my 2008 CBR600rr. IDK what honda is doing with their street bikes either. They're so far out of the game it's crazy. The only bike that seems to have a ton of interest is the honda grom, of all things!
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Right... cuz you use all that your CBR has to offer as it is.

But I see what you're saying.
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Right... cuz you use all that your CBR has to offer as it is.

But I see what you're saying.
well, in a straight line 3rd gear roll on anyone can use all it has to offer engine wise

on a more serious note, if it actually does end up being an I4 250 it will be in my stable guaranteed

Power isn't everything in a bike, I quite like the I4 cbr650 since it makes a lot of sense and is a comfortable bike. I can see myself owning one of those as a sport touring/commuting bike down the line but am not in the market currently so it doesn't matter.
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Is Honda coming out with the bike we've all been waiting for? <
> I dont think anyone on this forum has been waiting on a honda lol

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That thing is sexy as all hell.
whoa buddy cool your jets! dont want your ninja to hear you thinking thoughts like that !!!

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That thing is a concept bike.
Since when did any of the sexy on a concept bike make it onto a production model?
Sorta like a blonde nurse..... In concept they are amazing... but by the time I find one available and on the market the reality is a bit heavier, lower performance and the features are less Robust.

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"Supersport"? I was misled by the use of the term, apparently.
Often when a bud is describing a new interest... he will talk about her as he perceives here... and when you see this hot little thang he has been lusting over maybe the hype was greater than reality

nice little bike + beer goggles = supersport
cute waitress + beer goggles =supermodel
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250cc 4cyl beasts
those old bikes are cool.... Heres to livin in the past... or bringing it back
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Looks promising, but knowing Honda, we know they are going to b ultra conservative about it...
The conservative ladies dont know how to have fun... hondas recent line up is painfully practical. great mileage, easy to ride and they have excitment and style like a sweater vest.

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Does look cool. Too bad it's a Honda.
I'd rather it was a Kawasaki...or a Suzuki...or a Yamaha...or a...
HONDA HATER ... lol red isnt your color?

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My $0.02 on this bike...
The entry sport bike class is now crowded with entries from four manufacturers, including Honda. We don't need another, unless:
Honda needs to inject some passion somewhere.
Spot on! Honda makes great bikes lately but they fail to inspire, enpassion and enthrall !

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I was wondering if you guys caught wind of the honda concept bike. If an inline 4 250cc bike actually makes it into production then that would be awesome news! (even if it is just a honda) It would only be a matter of time before the other manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon.
They are already on the BAND WAGON!!!! A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE DESPERATELY IMAGINING A DAY WHEN THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING ON THE MARKET BESIDES THE PREGEN AND 1ST GEN> now everyone is in the game!

asking for a small bike 4cyl is getting greedy. It would inflate the costs and never make its own niche because lets be honest.___ CHEAP RULES ___ with the small displacement.

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When I was shopping for a 600, I completely dismissed the new CBR600rr simply because it is slower, and uglier than my 2008 CBR600rr. IDK what honda is doing with their street bikes either. They're so far out of the game it's crazy. The only bike that seems to have a ton of interest is the honda grom, of all things!
KEEP YOUR 08 --- sometimes you have to know when you have it good. Newer is not always better!

and the GROM is a real WIN for Honda in the U.S.

It wont make a bunch of money but it will intro new riders in a non threatening way... as well as inspire all the long time riders to get a little freaky play bike and live that mini hooligan life

but alas the GROM is old news else where in this big world.
The US is the biggest Recreational vehicle market and luxury motorcycles with our Race reps and big displacement cruisers but the most bikes are real transportation in the rest of the world.

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That Concept pic is super sick

inv forks , wheels are sleek and trim . fairings are agressive like the H2 and R1M

This is how they sell passion and honda Grom in Asia lol/ nice commercial all those burn outs and wheelies are great...
Groms get all the chicks. who needs a 250/300 concept

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I just prefer the other manufactures for numerous reasons.
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-my sarcastic point as it flies over Danny's head.
Of course I don't use 100% of my bikes potential, if I did then i'd probably be dead. Getting your knee down on public roads is a suicide request. I'm just saying that I've test road a 2010 and it literally goes flat at 12ks, just drops... very anti-climatic. Where as my 2008 keeps building up straight until red line.

Btw, I get your sarcasm, i was just showing the picture to illustrate how the 09's + go flat at 12ks. Why pay more money for less power, even if you only use it once in a while?
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Old October 9th, 2015, 08:49 AM   #34
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They are already on the BAND WAGON!!!! A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE DESPERATELY IMAGINING A DAY WHEN THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING ON THE MARKET BESIDES THE PREGEN AND 1ST GEN> now everyone is in the game!

asking for a small bike 4cyl is getting greedy. It would inflate the costs and never make its own niche because lets be honest.___ CHEAP RULES ___ with the small displacement.
I 100% agree, I don't see it ever being feasible because it would increase the costs too much. $5,000 is a decent price for an entry level bike, if they were to throw an inline 4 in it, then it would probably be in that 8 grand range.

But they could make a limited production amount of them for the track riders?

I doubt they ever will, but it would neat!
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I 100% agree, I don't see it ever being feasible because it would increase the costs too much. $5,000 is a decent price for an entry level bike, if they were to throw an inline 4 in it, then it would probably be in that 8 grand range.

But they could make a limited production amount of them for the track riders?

I doubt they ever will, but it would neat!
Yeah, I agree small inline 4s would be cool. even small triples would be great.

The only way it could work is if they produced them for the world markets where big displacement is prohibitively expensive and fit in that niche between budget bikes and racer replicas
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Of course I don't use 100% of my bikes potential, if I did then i'd probably be dead. Getting your knee down on public roads is a suicide request. I'm just saying that I've test road a 2010 and it literally goes flat at 12ks, just drops... very anti-climatic. Where as my 2008 keeps building up straight until red line.

Btw, I get your sarcasm, i was just showing the picture to illustrate how the 09's + go flat at 12ks. Why pay more money for less power, even if you only use it once in a while?
Environmental and noise issues. Nearly all of the 600s from Japan went through a similar issue in that the time frame FYI.





Some were not updated but could be easily fixed - jumper mod kawi, reflash yamaha, some updated with mapping and exhaust changes the following year or just fixed issue when model was updated.
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